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Old Feb 13, 2009 | 11:41 PM
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How many FD's in North America Today?

Just something i was wondering about canada + us.

I know there are alot more in the US, but still the number of these cars must under the 10k mark within all of North America.

And will the scarce number of these cars increase the value of them someday, like the cars back in the 60s and 70s selling today for 50-100k ?
Or is this a different era and scarcity and rarity dont matter?

I would assume that in 10 - 15 years down the road, when these cars are so rare the price should be quite high for one of these cars if the demand is there.

What is your take on this theory of price / value of rare collector cars in respect to the Rx7s future value in the market.
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Old Feb 13, 2009 | 11:45 PM
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there are plenty still around.. not that there plentyful by any means but i bet there is over 5000 still out there that hasnt been totalled or smashed up bad..
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Old Feb 13, 2009 | 11:50 PM
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So about 5-10 k still aroound.

Now theoretically speaking, in 10 to 15 years if these numbers drop lets say in half.. the value for these cars should also increase ?
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Old Feb 14, 2009 | 12:36 AM
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How hard is to read the stickies?

That said, this board has an absurd number of stickies. WTF cares about the first names of FD owners or their registration information?
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Old Feb 14, 2009 | 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by moconnor
How hard is to read the stickies?

That said, this board has an absurd number of stickies. WTF cares about the first names of FD owners or their registration information?

Dammit....I was going to demand 'name of your pets' sticky....now you fill me with shame.....
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Old Feb 14, 2009 | 07:00 AM
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start counting

i have one
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Old Feb 14, 2009 | 07:46 AM
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So about 5-10 k still aroound.

Now theoretically speaking, in 10 to 15 years if these numbers drop lets say in half.. the value for these cars should also increase ?
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-gen-general-discussion-322/registered-fd-s-state-536441/

These cars are depreciable assets - period. They aren't going to be worth anything more in 10-15 years. They aren't vintage, they are just a used jap sports car. If they become more rare due to decreasing numbers in the next 10 years we might get lucky and allow that slight value add to offset the depreciation, but what is the end product - A 10k sports car right now whose depreciation might be offset by it's increasing rarity value to a small group of enthusiasts, enough so that you have a 10k sports car in 15 years - when 10k is worth much less than now.

I am sure as hell not expecting mine to increase in value, I just have it because I want it - pure and simple.

P.S. - there are seriously thousands of threads on value of these cars and each one is filled with mindless dribble. No reason to add to that count.
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Old Feb 14, 2009 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by heidihi
there are plenty still around.. not that there plentyful by any means but i bet there is over 5000 still out there that hasnt been totalled or smashed up bad..
...or aren't running...
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Old Feb 14, 2009 | 12:38 PM
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There's just over 10,000 cars (of original apprx 15,000) in the US and I'm not sure how many in Canada. I love when some all knowing ***** like seaford guy thinks that going against the common philosophy makes him right automatically. Then gmonsen comes in and and is inevitably correct. Pretending a rare car like the rx7 will not appreciate in value is absurd. I've seen bone stock ones with low mileage go for $30,000 - before this recession - and that's only at fifteen years old.
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Old Feb 14, 2009 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by gmonsen
Despite the incredibly pretentious comments from people like Seafordguy, those who say that the Fd is just another jap car that will depreciate to nothing, the opposite will be true.

So, without predicting the actual pricing, the better and best FD's will appreciate considerably over the next 5 years.

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My commentary wasn't pretentious - it was meant as an objective, realistic approach to how the car market will, for the most part, view our cars. We all love FD's so of course we like to think that they will take on a classic status, and command a premium one day but the reality is that IMHO that just isn't going to transpire.

I don't realistically think that our cars are going to be subjected to the collector status that Muscle Cars took on because some of that value stemmed from the fact that the car was becoming an iconic piece of Americana during that era. Those cars were built during a different period, and will always have a historic place, where as I don't think that our cars are afforded this value.

I would love to think that the best will appreciate over the next 5 years, that would be a wonderful kudos to our cars, but I really don't think that will happen - at least not above standard inflationary measurements. Again - just my opinion.
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Old Feb 14, 2009 | 01:18 PM
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i would say not enough. our cars are getting more rare everyday. and a lot of them are falling to LS1 Swaps. and getting wrecked, but all in all there is a fair amount. not as many as i would like but still enough.
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Old Feb 14, 2009 | 01:34 PM
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Well just know that whatever number of them that are still on the road, just take 50% of that and know that they are non rotary FD's. Mostly LSx engines.

I estimate at least another 25% for non rotary FD's in the next 5 years.

Cherish your cars guys.
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Old Feb 14, 2009 | 04:15 PM
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Old Feb 14, 2009 | 06:25 PM
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So about 35% are gone. I can't tell the future but the way the US is going(socialist) that the number of FDs going out will gradually increase quicker. jmo
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Old Feb 15, 2009 | 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by gmonsen
...This will be furthered by the increasing cost of parts for the FD and the fact that Mazda has stopped making many of the parts at all. (Car makers only have to make parts for, I believe, 18 years...) .....
of which the starting point will be at end of production not end of sale in the US...
value is icing on the cake imho... didnt purchase these cars for collectibility on my end..
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Old Feb 15, 2009 | 08:52 AM
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Gordon brought up THE crucial point earlier. When I was in high school (graduated in '78') I had a '72 Chevelle. The parking lot of the school had, amongst other cars:
2 '68 Camaros
'66 Chevelle
'70 Corvette
'68(?) Roadrunner
'70 Hemi-Cuda
'66 Mustang
Sunbeam Tiger (don't remember year)
'74 Datsun 240Z
a genuine '70 Plymouth Superbird

Now, few of these cars were considered anything 'special' at the time. For example, my friend Randy sold his Superbird for $5K in '79 or so and thought he'd ripped the buyer off. My town has 1500 people. Most of these cars...there were DOZENS of them running around in a 30 mile radius.
All these cars sell these days for several times, AT A MINIMUM, their original sticker. Premium examples like you see at Barrett-Jackson defy the imagination.
But when we were tooling around in these, sticking big-*** Mickey Thompson tires on the back, putting air-shocks on to raise the rear end enough to clear, adding 'cherry bomb' mufflers and 'headers' to make them at least SOUND "cooler", we NEVER thought they would be anything other than "old cars". I sold my PRISTINE Chevelle in '78 for....$900.
Yes, I kick my *** every time I think about this. A lot of my classmates and I think about this a lot, and laugh at ourselves for getting rid of these now highly sought after cars.

Time will tell if the FD goes up stratospherically in price, my gut says it will eventually.

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Old Feb 15, 2009 | 08:59 AM
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^^That is a good point.

However about the parts things. Who puts stock parts back in our cars anymore?

If something breaks, you normally replace with an aftermarket one right? Isnt that more senseable?

I mean an aftermarket part should be better than OEM, with about the same price or even cheaper.

Who othe hell gets OEM parts at dealers anymore unless you're trying to replace a certain trim of the interior or something. Then yeah we're screwed but actual mechanical pieces, i think we're fine for a long time.

There is a website dedicated for OLD OLD OLD cars from the 40s and even 30s, so maybe in the long distant future, someone will make a website for our cars again.

Idk, something to think about.
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Old Feb 15, 2009 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 1QWIK7
^^That is a good point.

However about the parts things. Who puts stock parts back in our cars anymore?

If something breaks, you normally replace with an aftermarket one right? Isnt that more senseable?

I mean an aftermarket part should be better than OEM, with about the same price or even cheaper.

Who othe hell gets OEM parts at dealers anymore unless you're trying to replace a certain trim of the interior or something. Then yeah we're screwed but actual mechanical pieces, i think we're fine for a long time.

There is a website dedicated for OLD OLD OLD cars from the 40s and even 30s, so maybe in the long distant future, someone will make a website for our cars again.

Idk, something to think about.
Think about things like wiring harnesses though...OUCH! And look at my dilemma I had trying to replace that shifter bushing I posted about.
Yes, we'll be able to get water pumps and starters and stuff like that forever.
Other things though...grab your *** and take Vaseline with you if you HAVE to get it from a dealer.
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Old Feb 15, 2009 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bajaman
Think about things like wiring harnesses though...OUCH! And look at my dilemma I had trying to replace that shifter bushing I posted about.
Yes, we'll be able to get water pumps and starters and stuff like that forever.
Other things though...grab your *** and take Vaseline with you if you HAVE to get it from a dealer.
True, i forgot about that.

Well in my opinon, with everything i have seen, i think it will always be possible to get. Maybe it will cost alot, maybe it will take some time, but there is a way. I have seen soo many old cars get restored and they got restored some way or another.
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Old Feb 15, 2009 | 02:05 PM
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I'm in a catch 22. I love these cars and don't want to see them die too fast or at all.

On the other hand, I would like to see my car go up in value quickly in my lifetime.
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