high tech alarms and anti-theft devices?
06-10-04, 11:36 AM
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Clifford systems are IMO the best and are expandable to offer everything you could need. I believe the first GPS system DEI used about two years ago cost about $100 per year for unlimited usage, which included remote location of your car, as well as any remote commands, such as remote start, unlocking doors, trunk pop (if equipped) and window control (if equipped) from a telephone or the web. The new system has free stolen car tracking for the first year and two other upgrade packages (at an additional cost) for the convenience features. From what I've heard, the pager system isn't too reliable, which is why I never got it. One thing to add to any system is the Tilt/Motion sensor (DEI Part# 507T), which will trigger the alarm due to any rolling or raising of the car. This will at least help if someone tries to tow the car and also keep wheels/tires from being stolen.
Last note about alarms that I'll reiterate: THE LOUDER THE BETTER. Don't be scared to have multiple sirens at different locations, esp. inside the car. If you can't sit in the car when the alarm is triggered without sustaining permanent hearing loss, that is a good thing!! If you want to make things fun, you can get the siren DEI released a few years back which lets you speak your own message that will play when your alarm is set off so that any punks can hear you wish them a slow, painful demise should they mess with your FD. I dunno if they still make that siren, but sometimes you can get lucky and find one on eBay.
Also, make sure that your insurance company will give you a rate break for all of your effort in having the most sophisticated alarm possible. Most will give you a deal.
Last note about alarms that I'll reiterate: THE LOUDER THE BETTER. Don't be scared to have multiple sirens at different locations, esp. inside the car. If you can't sit in the car when the alarm is triggered without sustaining permanent hearing loss, that is a good thing!! If you want to make things fun, you can get the siren DEI released a few years back which lets you speak your own message that will play when your alarm is set off so that any punks can hear you wish them a slow, painful demise should they mess with your FD. I dunno if they still make that siren, but sometimes you can get lucky and find one on eBay.
Also, make sure that your insurance company will give you a rate break for all of your effort in having the most sophisticated alarm possible. Most will give you a deal.
06-10-04, 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by 2furious
If you can't sit in the car when the alarm is triggered without sustaining permanent hearing loss, that is a good thing!!
If you can't sit in the car when the alarm is triggered without sustaining permanent hearing loss, that is a good thing!!
06-11-04, 01:00 AM
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Spyfish,
How does that turbo timer work with your Clifford? I never got a turbo timer before b/c I figured I'd have to wait til the car had shut itself off to arm the alarm anyways, so I would always just wait a few minutes before shutting the car off.
How does that turbo timer work with your Clifford? I never got a turbo timer before b/c I figured I'd have to wait til the car had shut itself off to arm the alarm anyways, so I would always just wait a few minutes before shutting the car off.
06-11-04, 09:03 AM
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AG4 has ignition cut. So the ign wire funning back to the ECU you break that with a relay. The relay opens so the AG4 doesn't see +12V from the turbo timer. I recently redocummented this in the electronics forum.
06-11-04, 11:22 AM
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The brake/clutch lock device (autolock) is pretty good, in the sense that it's very difficult to break, and hence they can't start the car w/o the brake/clutch (auto/manual, respectively). Prob is, it's not very readily visible, so they may break in, see it, get pissed off, trash the car, then leave lol.
The GPS stuff from clifford is incredible, but it's MONEY. I can't afford somethin that nice.
The idea about locking the brakes/rotors/calipers etc, sounds great, but check this out. I was in school in DC a while back, and I watched the CAMPUS cops come around and tow a crx that was parked backwards w/ the wheels turned and the handbrake on (guy's smart). They had these square boxes on wheels that they would fit around your tires. Then somehow, they'd get tightened until they actually had your tire off the ground. They did this to all 4 tires. Next thing you know, they simply wheeled the car out of the parking spot, turned it around, and the tow truck came in to pull it onto the flatbet w/ the box things on the wheels in place lol. Now if CAMPUS police can do that, what about your experienced car theif?!
The GPS stuff from clifford is incredible, but it's MONEY. I can't afford somethin that nice.
The idea about locking the brakes/rotors/calipers etc, sounds great, but check this out. I was in school in DC a while back, and I watched the CAMPUS cops come around and tow a crx that was parked backwards w/ the wheels turned and the handbrake on (guy's smart). They had these square boxes on wheels that they would fit around your tires. Then somehow, they'd get tightened until they actually had your tire off the ground. They did this to all 4 tires. Next thing you know, they simply wheeled the car out of the parking spot, turned it around, and the tow truck came in to pull it onto the flatbet w/ the box things on the wheels in place lol. Now if CAMPUS police can do that, what about your experienced car theif?!
06-11-04, 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by 2furious
Clifford systems are IMO the best and are expandable to offer everything you could need. I believe the first GPS system DEI used about two years ago cost about $100 per year for unlimited usage, which included remote location of your car, as well as any remote commands, such as remote start, unlocking doors, trunk pop (if equipped) and window control (if equipped) from a telephone or the web. The new system has free stolen car tracking for the first year and two other upgrade packages (at an additional cost) for the convenience features. From what I've heard, the pager system isn't too reliable, which is why I never got it. One thing to add to any system is the Tilt/Motion sensor (DEI Part# 507T), which will trigger the alarm due to any rolling or raising of the car. This will at least help if someone tries to tow the car and also keep wheels/tires from being stolen.
Clifford systems are IMO the best and are expandable to offer everything you could need. I believe the first GPS system DEI used about two years ago cost about $100 per year for unlimited usage, which included remote location of your car, as well as any remote commands, such as remote start, unlocking doors, trunk pop (if equipped) and window control (if equipped) from a telephone or the web. The new system has free stolen car tracking for the first year and two other upgrade packages (at an additional cost) for the convenience features. From what I've heard, the pager system isn't too reliable, which is why I never got it. One thing to add to any system is the Tilt/Motion sensor (DEI Part# 507T), which will trigger the alarm due to any rolling or raising of the car. This will at least help if someone tries to tow the car and also keep wheels/tires from being stolen.
06-11-04, 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by jajiddam
hmm... didn't know about the GPS system.. sounds pretty smart. So if the alarm goes off, does the system let you know wherever you are??
hmm... didn't know about the GPS system.. sounds pretty smart. So if the alarm goes off, does the system let you know wherever you are??
06-11-04, 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by 2furious
Yes, you can have any alarm notifications sent to your phone or email address.
Yes, you can have any alarm notifications sent to your phone or email address.
Also, since these are practically the "obvious" choices in getting the best alarms, you can bet professional thieves know all about them. My other friend had a rack of sound equipment in his explorer, and a clifford w/ pager. Woke up the next morning w/ the car IN HIS DRIVEWAY, and all the audio equipment was gone. The alarm had gone off for prob 10 seconds, and his pager rang like once. Thieves knew what they were doing...they cut the wires to the alarm siren, and cut the power wires to the transmitter that signals the pager... both the primary AND secondary. Go figure...
Originally posted by Fumanchu
Best alarm is State Farm Insurance. I have had 2 cars stolen under them and each time they have paid most of my mods.
BTW... I had $300+ alarms on both of them and it didn't help at all.
Best alarm is State Farm Insurance. I have had 2 cars stolen under them and each time they have paid most of my mods.
BTW... I had $300+ alarms on both of them and it didn't help at all.
I'm asking because I was going to have my insurance cover my mods by claiming it ahead of time, but a couple people on the forum said that they got kicked out of their insurance for doing so, since the vehicle was "modified from original state" or some garbage like that. Basically they don't want to cover modified cars, so if they find out, they let you go. So I'm between letting them know now, or just holding onto all the receipts and telling them in case of accident/theft afterwards...
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06-11-04, 10:07 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by FDNewbie
[B]It's not that simple...my friend has that system from clifford, and reception is great if you're in a flat clear area. If you're parked underneath a tree, however, good luck getting anything on your pager...
Also, since these are practically the "obvious" choices in getting the best alarms, you can bet professional thieves know all about them. My other friend had a rack of sound equipment in his explorer, and a clifford w/ pager. Woke up the next morning w/ the car IN HIS DRIVEWAY, and all the audio equipment was gone. The alarm had gone off for prob 10 seconds, and his pager rang like once. Thieves knew what they were doing...they cut the wires to the alarm siren, and cut the power wires to the transmitter that signals the pager... both the primary AND secondary. Go figure...
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I was actually talking about the GPS system, which is fairly new technology from Clifford and DEI. The paging system has been around for years now, and I have heard many reviews similar to yours, which is why I've never invested in it. That is a good point about the thieves who do their homework, bastards! However, with the proper install and accessories, you can have an alarm that at least wakes up half the neighborhood, even if it only goes off for a short period of time. Hell, one of these days, when I've installed every security piece known to man, I'll flip the script and start rigging up 007 type stuff. I think it would be funny to have an alarm more elaborate than the electronics it's protecting. Hell of a predicament for the thieves: steal the stereo or the alarm!?
On a side note, your car looks fresh. Rims made a big difference; I'm in the same boat with everyone else on the wing, but everyone's got their style. I was just kinda bummed out when you talk about the door install process b/c VD is selling it as a DIY kit. Nice work, tho
[B]It's not that simple...my friend has that system from clifford, and reception is great if you're in a flat clear area. If you're parked underneath a tree, however, good luck getting anything on your pager...
Also, since these are practically the "obvious" choices in getting the best alarms, you can bet professional thieves know all about them. My other friend had a rack of sound equipment in his explorer, and a clifford w/ pager. Woke up the next morning w/ the car IN HIS DRIVEWAY, and all the audio equipment was gone. The alarm had gone off for prob 10 seconds, and his pager rang like once. Thieves knew what they were doing...they cut the wires to the alarm siren, and cut the power wires to the transmitter that signals the pager... both the primary AND secondary. Go figure...
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I was actually talking about the GPS system, which is fairly new technology from Clifford and DEI. The paging system has been around for years now, and I have heard many reviews similar to yours, which is why I've never invested in it. That is a good point about the thieves who do their homework, bastards! However, with the proper install and accessories, you can have an alarm that at least wakes up half the neighborhood, even if it only goes off for a short period of time. Hell, one of these days, when I've installed every security piece known to man, I'll flip the script and start rigging up 007 type stuff. I think it would be funny to have an alarm more elaborate than the electronics it's protecting. Hell of a predicament for the thieves: steal the stereo or the alarm!?
On a side note, your car looks fresh. Rims made a big difference; I'm in the same boat with everyone else on the wing, but everyone's got their style. I was just kinda bummed out when you talk about the door install process b/c VD is selling it as a DIY kit. Nice work, tho
06-11-04, 10:33 PM
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Remote start on the FD has to be one of the easiest to do. The FD 5sp tranny has a nuetral switch that provides a GND while engaged. You can use that switch to allow remote start to take place. I used the built-in automatic tranny mode of my AG4. Do you get the basic idea or do you need more detail? I'll explain more if you need me to do so.
06-11-04, 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by spyfish007
Remote start on the FD has to be one of the easiest to do. The FD 5sp tranny has a nuetral switch that provides a GND while engaged. You can use that switch to allow remote start to take place. I used the built-in automatic tranny mode of my AG4. Do you get the basic idea or do you need more detail? I'll explain more if you need me to do so.
Remote start on the FD has to be one of the easiest to do. The FD 5sp tranny has a nuetral switch that provides a GND while engaged. You can use that switch to allow remote start to take place. I used the built-in automatic tranny mode of my AG4. Do you get the basic idea or do you need more detail? I'll explain more if you need me to do so.
06-11-04, 11:38 PM
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The switch is already in the car. In my setup with the AG4, the alarm has an auto tranny mode that is enabled by supplying GND to a wire; else manual tranny mode. The auto mode means can I can remote start any time I like. The manual mode I would have to press a button, then get out of the car and finally arm the car with it running via AG4 to verify car isn't going to run away. Well there is no way you could have this senerio as the car would be in neutral to be running. Therefore I have my safety net. Other alarms have hood pin checks for remote start so you could tie in the nuetral switch via a relay to simulate a hood pin to the alarm. These alarms usually deny a remote start with a GND on the hood pin. You could also diode isolate the hood pin and tranny wires if you wanted to eliminate the relay. ELSE
You could do the following with a relay:
86 GND
85 Neutral wire
87
87a Input to starter from remote start unit
30 Output to starter & clutch switch
Here is what I have wired up ...86&85 turn on relay. Normally you are going to leave you car neutral so this relay will be off and not drawing power. If you leave it in gear the relay will be on so it will be drawing power from the battery so that is something to consider when picking a relay. During neutral selection pins 87a&30 are connected allowing remote start. When a gear is selected pins 87&30 are connected disallowing remote start, yet allowing a normal in gear & foot on the clutch situation to start the car.
You could do the following with a relay:
86 GND
85 Neutral wire
87
87a Input to starter from remote start unit
30 Output to starter & clutch switch
Here is what I have wired up ...86&85 turn on relay. Normally you are going to leave you car neutral so this relay will be off and not drawing power. If you leave it in gear the relay will be on so it will be drawing power from the battery so that is something to consider when picking a relay. During neutral selection pins 87a&30 are connected allowing remote start. When a gear is selected pins 87&30 are connected disallowing remote start, yet allowing a normal in gear & foot on the clutch situation to start the car.
06-12-04, 01:40 AM
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2furious, thanks for the compliments on the car. The spoiler definetly doesn't seem to be very popular lol...but I needed a fully functional CF spoiler, and it was between this one and the Mazdaspeed or C-West one. The Mazdaspeed spoiler is played out (IMO), and a little on the plain side. The C-West one is a fortune ($1900!!) and isn't all that IMO. The spoiler I have doesn't sit too high off the car, is fully functional, and from some angles I think it looks incredible (not all that from a straight side shot though). Besides, I've always been a sucker for adjustable double decker spoilers, and I like the endplates...diff from what you normally see (I had them custom made).
Oh and about the doors...sorry man. EVERYONE is selling the door kits as "do it yourself, installs in 2 hours!" That's complete BS. Don't believe the hype. There's a reason why they specifically state "professional installation recommended." They don't say "required" because they're hoping to maximize their customer base by having DIY ppl buy it. If they get screwed, oh well...not their prob. As for the 2 hrs thing, man, I don't know if you can have the bumper, fender, and door off in 2 hours! lol...let alone install anything. You don't even want to know how long it takes to extend ALL the wires going through the door (because when the door opens vertically, obviously the distance between the door and the hinge is increased, so ALL the wires must be extended). That's a freakin festival in itself. The most crucial part is adjusting how low the door will come down, because it's gotta come down and stop PERFECTLY at the level of the lock mechanism, so the door will close correctly. If it doesn't come down far enough or comes down too far, it's gonna mess up the door and the frame around the door. Not good.
As far as 007 ideas go, I can't find the site right now, but some security companies actually offer some of the things you've seen in the 007 movies, like electric shock delivered to unauthorized contact w/ your vehicle, flames coming out from the sides of the car, tear gas being ejected around the car etc...
Keeping people alive is a business that will never die...(no pun intended).
Oh and about the doors...sorry man. EVERYONE is selling the door kits as "do it yourself, installs in 2 hours!" That's complete BS. Don't believe the hype. There's a reason why they specifically state "professional installation recommended." They don't say "required" because they're hoping to maximize their customer base by having DIY ppl buy it. If they get screwed, oh well...not their prob. As for the 2 hrs thing, man, I don't know if you can have the bumper, fender, and door off in 2 hours! lol...let alone install anything. You don't even want to know how long it takes to extend ALL the wires going through the door (because when the door opens vertically, obviously the distance between the door and the hinge is increased, so ALL the wires must be extended). That's a freakin festival in itself. The most crucial part is adjusting how low the door will come down, because it's gotta come down and stop PERFECTLY at the level of the lock mechanism, so the door will close correctly. If it doesn't come down far enough or comes down too far, it's gonna mess up the door and the frame around the door. Not good.
As far as 007 ideas go, I can't find the site right now, but some security companies actually offer some of the things you've seen in the 007 movies, like electric shock delivered to unauthorized contact w/ your vehicle, flames coming out from the sides of the car, tear gas being ejected around the car etc...
Keeping people alive is a business that will never die...(no pun intended).
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06-12-04, 10:37 AM
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Cool, thanks Spyfish.
Ya, I've seen the shocking alarms and gas and all, but it seems like so many people are worried about lawsuits from thieves. I say that it's doing them a favor b/c gas or a small shock would be much less painful than what I would think up if I found them messing with my ride.
Ya, I've seen the shocking alarms and gas and all, but it seems like so many people are worried about lawsuits from thieves. I say that it's doing them a favor b/c gas or a small shock would be much less painful than what I would think up if I found them messing with my ride.
06-12-04, 10:43 AM
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Cool, thanks Spyfish.
Ya, I've seen the shocking alarms and gas and all, but it seems like so many people are worried about lawsuits from thieves. I say that it's doing them a favor b/c gas or a small shock would be much less painful than what I would think up if I found them messing with my ride.
Cool, thanks Spyfish.
Ya, I've seen the shocking alarms and gas and all, but it seems like so many people are worried about lawsuits from thieves. I say that it's doing them a favor b/c gas or a small shock would be much less painful than what I would think up if I found them messing with my ride.
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