Help....Giken clutch removal......
06-06-06, 03:49 PM
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Help....Giken clutch removal......
Before anything, let me thank yall for the info I found on removing the tranny. But now I can't seem to find any info on removing a twin plate from the flywheel...
Do I need a puller?(I tried a crowbar and mallet)
can the Giken flywheel be resurfaced with no problems?
will I need to adjust anything going from the Giken to a ACT street/strip?
Any help will be appreciated. By the way, once this project is complete, this clutch will be up for sale. Thanks
Do I need a puller?(I tried a crowbar and mallet)
can the Giken flywheel be resurfaced with no problems?
will I need to adjust anything going from the Giken to a ACT street/strip?
Any help will be appreciated. By the way, once this project is complete, this clutch will be up for sale. Thanks
06-06-06, 04:44 PM
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FD's have a pull type clutch, this could be your issue...I'm not familiar with Giken, but a TII buddy of mine had the same question about demating.
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06-06-06, 06:24 PM
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I finally got the clutch/flywheel off. Bolted together. Now I need to know if this flywheel will work with the ACT. The flywheel is also a Gikken.
What will I have to do about the push/pull situation, it is set up to push for the Gikken. will it work for the ACT?
What will I have to do about the push/pull situation, it is set up to push for the Gikken. will it work for the ACT?
06-06-06, 08:01 PM
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The Giken flywheel probably won't work with the ACT clutch. Buy a new flywheel.
You will need to covert back to pull-type. Locate the instructions for converting to push-type and follow them in reverse. Or look at it and figure it out. My guess is that it isn't very complicated.
-Max
You will need to covert back to pull-type. Locate the instructions for converting to push-type and follow them in reverse. Or look at it and figure it out. My guess is that it isn't very complicated.
-Max
06-06-06, 08:44 PM
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damn that sucks, now I have to wait on a new flywheel. So the conversion to pull can be done with what's in there?. I had the impression that I was going to have to find some parts...is this true?
06-07-06, 02:55 AM
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The stock clutch is pull type. So is the ACT.
Installing certain types of aftermarket clutches requires a conversion to push-type. We suspect your Giken clutch is a push-type, and hence that your car has been converted to push-type.
I personally don't know what is involved in the conversion. But I suspect converting back is relatively straight-forward. You might need to find a few parts, but they will be easy-to-locate stock parts, as opposed to find-an-importer,-pay-through-the-nose,-and-wait-six-months aftermarket Japanese parts.
-Max
Installing certain types of aftermarket clutches requires a conversion to push-type. We suspect your Giken clutch is a push-type, and hence that your car has been converted to push-type.
I personally don't know what is involved in the conversion. But I suspect converting back is relatively straight-forward. You might need to find a few parts, but they will be easy-to-locate stock parts, as opposed to find-an-importer,-pay-through-the-nose,-and-wait-six-months aftermarket Japanese parts.
-Max
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Alright, I need an FD guru here. I'm thinking that I won't be able to use the giken flywheel with the ACT clutch, so I'm about to order an ACT streetlite.
couple of questions.
1. There is a huge counterweight bolted to the engine shaft(54mm nut),which the giken flywheel was bolted to. Is this counterweight needed for the streetlite flywheel?
2. What parts will I need to purchase to complete this?
(clutch kit was purchased)
3. This car has an automatic engine with a 5-speed. Would I have to use a couterweight because of this?
Sorry about the questions, I just moved from the turbo 2, to the FD, so I have a little bit more to learn. Any help will be appreciated, Thanks.
couple of questions.
1. There is a huge counterweight bolted to the engine shaft(54mm nut),which the giken flywheel was bolted to. Is this counterweight needed for the streetlite flywheel?
2. What parts will I need to purchase to complete this?
(clutch kit was purchased)
3. This car has an automatic engine with a 5-speed. Would I have to use a couterweight because of this?
Sorry about the questions, I just moved from the turbo 2, to the FD, so I have a little bit more to learn. Any help will be appreciated, Thanks.
06-08-06, 03:53 AM
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Help is free. Sometimes you have to wait.
And a quick search would turn up many pages about light flywheels and counterweights.
1. Yes, you need that counterweight for the streetlight flywheel.
2. If by "this" you mean installing the streetlight flywheel, all you need is the flywheel.
3. You need a counterweight because all light flywheels require a counterweight. It has nothing to do with anything else.
A more complete response to #2 would tell you to buy a pilot bearing, a pilot bearing seal, and a throwout bearing.
And lets step back for a moment about the pull-type versus push-type clutch. I am not certain that you need to convert anything. Post a picture of the inside of the bell housing (showing the stuff that actuates the clutch) and we can help you more. We must first determine if your car has been converted to push-type, so that we will know if you need to convert back. It isn't certain at this point. Or maybe you do some searching and see if your bellhousing clutch actuator parts look stock by searching and looking at pics of other stock setups, or perhaps looking at the Factory Service Manual (it is available online).
-Max
And a quick search would turn up many pages about light flywheels and counterweights.
1. Yes, you need that counterweight for the streetlight flywheel.
2. If by "this" you mean installing the streetlight flywheel, all you need is the flywheel.
3. You need a counterweight because all light flywheels require a counterweight. It has nothing to do with anything else.
A more complete response to #2 would tell you to buy a pilot bearing, a pilot bearing seal, and a throwout bearing.
And lets step back for a moment about the pull-type versus push-type clutch. I am not certain that you need to convert anything. Post a picture of the inside of the bell housing (showing the stuff that actuates the clutch) and we can help you more. We must first determine if your car has been converted to push-type, so that we will know if you need to convert back. It isn't certain at this point. Or maybe you do some searching and see if your bellhousing clutch actuator parts look stock by searching and looking at pics of other stock setups, or perhaps looking at the Factory Service Manual (it is available online).
-Max
06-08-06, 05:03 PM
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here is a close up of the type of clutch release that is in it now. I just noticed that this is also a giken product ,OS is stamped on it just like the flywheel. Will I have to buy everything OE to install an ACT flywheel and clutch?
06-08-06, 06:54 PM
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Your car has been converted to push-type. You will need to buy some parts to convert it back. A clutch fork might be all that you need, but I am not certain.
I recommend:
* finding instructions on how to convert to push-type, on the web (maybe someone will post, or you can search rx7club and google)
* take note of which stock parts are removed in the process, and order those parts
* follow the procedure in reverse to covert your car back
* keep the Giken parts, since the person who buys your clutch will want all the conversion parts
-Max
I recommend:
* finding instructions on how to convert to push-type, on the web (maybe someone will post, or you can search rx7club and google)
* take note of which stock parts are removed in the process, and order those parts
* follow the procedure in reverse to covert your car back
* keep the Giken parts, since the person who buys your clutch will want all the conversion parts
-Max
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I'm still not sure about the counter weight. Are they all the same?, do I need one for the ACT streetlite FW? and if so, can I use the one that was used for the Giken? These last questions should complete my search. Thanks to all for the help.
06-09-06, 04:37 AM
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Yes, you still need the counterwieght if using an aftermarket flywheel. The stock manual flywheels have the counterwieght built into the flywheel, but the auto's have an external one. So, you take the counterweight off an auto for aftermarket flywheels. YOu need the counter weight for any aftermarket flywheel, that I know if.
06-09-06, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by T2 Tsunami
I'm still not sure about the counter weight. Are they all the same?
Originally Posted by T2 Tsunami
, do I need one for the ACT streetlite FW?
Originally Posted by T2 Tsunami
and if so, can I use the one that was used for the Giken?
Originally Posted by T2 Tsunami
These last questions should complete my search. Thanks to all for the help.
-Max
07-30-06, 10:21 PM
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Max answered most of your questions.
I'm backing him up since I have the OS twin plate on my FD and I've installed ACT and other clutches on my previous cars.
You can re-use your rear counterweight.
Not sure why people are telling you to buy one when you already have it.
The OS Giken multiplate flywheel will not support ACT single plate clutches.
You'll need purchase a flywheel (stock or lightened).
Remove the push-type conversion.
This old link may help if you have questions (https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...+pilot+bearing)
Good luck!
I'm backing him up since I have the OS twin plate on my FD and I've installed ACT and other clutches on my previous cars.
You can re-use your rear counterweight.
Not sure why people are telling you to buy one when you already have it.
The OS Giken multiplate flywheel will not support ACT single plate clutches.
You'll need purchase a flywheel (stock or lightened).
Remove the push-type conversion.
This old link may help if you have questions (https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...+pilot+bearing)
Good luck!
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