Help Diagnose This
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From: Charlottesville VA 22901
If the engine control rings were bad your car would smoke continuously as oil seeps into the combustion chamber and not just when you boost.
Using those pictures that I provided as a reference... can anyone tell me if my oil control o-rings are okay?
Is there really not way to find out what kind of condition they are in aside from pulling the engine apart?
I still do not know what malfunctioned on the car, turbo oil seals or engine oil control o-ring.
I understand that fritz said the engine would smoke continuously as the oil would seep into the combustion chamber and my car does in fact smoke continuously but very minimal at idle. I feel the only reason it is smoking a minimal amount at idle is due to the fact that there is simply so much damned oil in my intake tract. One thing is for sure, after I did a hard 3rd gear pull and then let off the throttle, the second I put my foot back on the gas a massive, and I mean collosal cloud of smoke was emitted from the tail pipe... this is the only real strong indicator I feel that I have that it could be the turbo seals, since the quantity of smoke emitted from the exhaust is dependent on the level of boost the car is under.
I can drive the car up to 7k rpms and then let off and then re-engage the throttle and I will get minimal smoke versus if I do a hard pull and try to get the turbos to boost, let off and then re-engage the throttle resulting in a huge cloud of smoke. The only confounding variable that could throw this off is the fact that when the car is boosting and has increased vacuum, it is pulling the oil that is pooling at the base of the IC further up into the piping....
I wish there was a simple damned test!
Is there really not way to find out what kind of condition they are in aside from pulling the engine apart?
I still do not know what malfunctioned on the car, turbo oil seals or engine oil control o-ring.
I understand that fritz said the engine would smoke continuously as the oil would seep into the combustion chamber and my car does in fact smoke continuously but very minimal at idle. I feel the only reason it is smoking a minimal amount at idle is due to the fact that there is simply so much damned oil in my intake tract. One thing is for sure, after I did a hard 3rd gear pull and then let off the throttle, the second I put my foot back on the gas a massive, and I mean collosal cloud of smoke was emitted from the tail pipe... this is the only real strong indicator I feel that I have that it could be the turbo seals, since the quantity of smoke emitted from the exhaust is dependent on the level of boost the car is under.
I can drive the car up to 7k rpms and then let off and then re-engage the throttle and I will get minimal smoke versus if I do a hard pull and try to get the turbos to boost, let off and then re-engage the throttle resulting in a huge cloud of smoke. The only confounding variable that could throw this off is the fact that when the car is boosting and has increased vacuum, it is pulling the oil that is pooling at the base of the IC further up into the piping....
I wish there was a simple damned test!
Last edited by spoolage; Aug 27, 2008 at 12:31 AM.
With these pictures can any of the pros give me some insight as to what is going on?
First off... I am confused as to why the secondary turbo is so caked with oil when the primary is still relatively clean. But, weirdly enough, when I pulled these turbos apart - the primary turbine wheel is severely damaged where the secondary turbine wheel looks good and the primary turbo oil seal has some wear (sharp at the edges and not squared) and the secondary turbo oil seal looks new still.
I am assuming that when these turbos were "rebuilt", the primary turbo was never touched judging by the looks of it, but the secondary turbo was rebuilt.
Looking at the picture of the two turbine wheels, on the right side there is a significant amount of oil that has collected near the seal and caked up onto the metal where as the secondary has no oil that has been caked on.
First off... I am confused as to why the secondary turbo is so caked with oil when the primary is still relatively clean. But, weirdly enough, when I pulled these turbos apart - the primary turbine wheel is severely damaged where the secondary turbine wheel looks good and the primary turbo oil seal has some wear (sharp at the edges and not squared) and the secondary turbo oil seal looks new still.
I am assuming that when these turbos were "rebuilt", the primary turbo was never touched judging by the looks of it, but the secondary turbo was rebuilt.
Looking at the picture of the two turbine wheels, on the right side there is a significant amount of oil that has collected near the seal and caked up onto the metal where as the secondary has no oil that has been caked on.
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