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Old Nov 9, 2007 | 10:56 PM
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Full Non-Sequential while keeping emissions (Vacuum Diagram?)

Hey guys, I am doing the full non-sequential but keeping all emission related things on. Does anyone know of a vucuum diagram I could use? Or what solenoids should I keep hooked up? I searched but didn't come up with anything specific to non-Seq while keeping emissions.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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Old Nov 9, 2007 | 11:02 PM
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use the NS diagram available in combination with the FSM and don't eliminate the emmisions crap.

If all you have to do is pass emissions then you can actually eliminate about half or more of the emission controlls.

My car passes the tailpipe test and the only remaining emission controlls are the air pump, directly connected to a universal main cat, the port air injection and pre converter, air controll valve etc aren't stricly required to just pass the test.
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Old Nov 9, 2007 | 11:04 PM
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I read this...

If you plan to keep the airpump, or plan to use the airpump for emissions testing you will want to leave the vaccuum lines connected to the 2nd and 3rd control solenoids (the 1st being the rearward one). 2 of these lines goto the secondary air injection system on the backside of the lower intake manifold. One of them goes through a checkvalve and into a nipple on the backside of the upper intake manifold.
But am confused as to which solenoids are being talked about.

In this link what solenoids would I need to keep (A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J)?

http://www.wrex-racing.com/docs/fd/v...se_diagram.jpg

It says leave the vaccuum lines connected to the 2nd and 3rd control solenoids (the 1st being the rearward one). So does that mean keep B and C or E and F? The term "control solenoid" is throwing me off. Are they all control solenoids or are only A, E, F, G, I, J control solenoids?

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Old Nov 10, 2007 | 09:16 AM
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Sorry I cant edit my post. I thought I would list the names of the solenoids to make it easier for anyone who can help.

A: Pressure Regulator COntrol

B: Relief 1

C: Switching

D: EGR

E: TUrbo COntrol

F: Chanrge COntrol

G: Double Throttle COntrol

H: Charge Relief

I: Wastegate Control

J: Turbo Precontroller
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Old Nov 10, 2007 | 07:22 PM
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OK, Spent a lot of time reading and this is what I came up with for non sequential while keeping the emissions (Air pump and EGR). Experts please let me know if this is correct...

A: Pressure Regulator Control (Keep) (You can keep or remove this. If you remove you need to plumb to nipple on the LIM)

B: Relief 1 (Air pump) (Keep)

C: Switching (Air pump) (Keep)

D: EGR (Keep)

E: Turbo Control (Remove)

F: Charge Control (Remove)

G: Double Throttle Control (Remove)

H: Charge Relief (Remove)

I: Wastegate Control (Not needed due to aftermarket boost controller)

J: Turbo Precontroller (Remove)
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 09:41 AM
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No one went NS with keeping emissions?
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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 11:24 AM
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That looks correct.

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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by dgeesaman
That looks correct.

Dave
Thanks Dave!

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Old Nov 13, 2007 | 09:22 PM
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Possible to re route the vacum hoses as listed in the...

Possible to re route the vacum hoses as listed in the non-sequential diagram and be able to run fun fine under a non sequential turbo patter?
or is there more to it then just re routing turbo hoses and block off plates?
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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 05:00 AM
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Block-off plates are for removing emissions.

You can run non-seq by changing the hoses and stuff only - it's called "poor mans nonsequential". "Full" non seq also takes out the hoses but also requires some welding on the turbos and removal of some stuff. Full conversion performs better.

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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by dgeesaman
Block-off plates are for removing emissions.

You can run non-seq by changing the hoses and stuff only - it's called "poor mans nonsequential". "Full" non seq also takes out the hoses but also requires some welding on the turbos and removal of some stuff. Full conversion performs better.

Dave
What am i expecting if im doing the "poor mans" non sequential turbo vs the "rich mans" non sequential turbo.
Can anyone do a direct comparison?
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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 11:05 AM
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The full conversion flows better and offers less lag and full boost at lower RPM.

But the poor mans conversion doesn't involve removing the turbos and welding things.

There is more info in the FAQ and archives.

Dave
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Old Nov 14, 2007 | 11:44 AM
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Doesn't removing the double-throttle control result in a permanently-closed secondary throttle air path? i.e. don't you need vacuum to open the butterflies (haven't done the logic)?
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Old Nov 16, 2007 | 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by wstrohm
Doesn't removing the double-throttle control result in a permanently-closed secondary throttle air path? i.e. don't you need vacuum to open the butterflies (haven't done the logic)?

Nope, it's the other way around.
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Old Nov 17, 2007 | 12:03 AM
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OK, thanks for the info.
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