mazda/feed

hey everybody just wanted to know from some people that know there sh_t im ready to buy a intercooler and im stuck i like ther arc brand and they have a stock mount up grade one and a front mount and a v- mount but can anybody give me some states on these items thanks

mpfcc

I've heard V mount are the best, but that's if you go for a single upgrade. I don't have much knowledge of intercoolers, so someone more knowledgeable will have to answer this one.

I personally have a PFS SMIC (stock mount) and it works great but I"m only running non-sequential stock twins @ no higher than 15 psi.

SpeedKing

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You asked this earlier today:

https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/whats-diff-between-stock-upgrade-intercooler-front-mount-intercooler-348303/

What's the matter? Are you too lazy to read that thread I posted the link to? Nobody here is going to spoon feed you. Show some initiative and do some legwork of your own.

mazda/feed

hey man let me just say this, you have that nerve to say some dumb **** look im asking for a reason, did it dawn on you that i might have not gotten the info that i needed noooooooooooooo you dont think that way you and like most people need to help and not give this bullshit reply if you dont have anythinig to say then dont say it or waist the reply kool ok then

Rhode_Dog

Search the terms

ASP
Cossie
Rotary Extreme

that should give you plenty of info regarding intercoolers.

KaiFD3S

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If you plan to drag the car FMIC...
If you plan to track the car SMIC or v-mount..

maxcooper

The FMIC versus SMIC (stock-mount IC) debate has been the subject of many threads. V-mounts are newer around here but there are still a bunch of threads about them. Unless there is a lot of new info (there isn't), people aren't going to be motivated to post here.

What do you use the car for? Street, drag, autoX, open track? What is your climate like? This info will help you choose the best style for your needs.

I caution against getting fixated on a single brand. No one manufacturer makes the best setup in each different configuration. You could very well end up paying more for a product that isn't as good as one from another manufacturer.

I don't know the specs for them, but it sounds like you are seeking information about the stock-mount, front-mount, and v-mount intercoolers made by ARC. Is that correct?

I'm not trying to be a dick, but help yourself man. A little searching and some care in writing your questions will yield a lot more information than this thread is going to get you. No one wants to help someone that doesn't search and writes sloppy questions.

-Max

SpeedKing

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How many times do you have to post the same question on the same page on the same day? I was helpful in providing a link that should answer your question re: SM and FM ICs. If the information was not relevant then you could have posted within your initial thread EXACTLY what you were looking for instead of asking the same GENERAL question twice. I guarantee you, what people are going to post is the same information as in that thread and it's been discussed MANY times.

rotoboy661

do a search man thats why speed is dawgin on u

this subject has been discuss numerous times

mike

rotoboy661

v-mounts are superior cooling for the street

i have a fmic they coool very well but air flow is disrupted but the ic

stock ic is nice cuz no cutting is involved with exception to large smic

maxcooper

Note: I think he just wants specs on the various ICs made by ARC.

The subject makes this look like a FMIC versus SMIC versus VMIC debate, but I don't think that is what he was looking for.

-Max

speeddemon7

if you have the money my suggestion is to go with a v mount setup.If not then get a big smic. Fmic is for drag racing and short runs.Thats about as clear cut as I can make it bro

Beny

V-mount is superior to FMIC for street driving as its easier to get air to the Rad

eugenchoo

I think you also need to consider budget. A V-Mount setup is gonna cost a lot more then a FMIC. I currently have the V-Mount setup in my car with no complaints. Have not tried the FMIC myself but comparing with my friends car my water temps are lower. If it is for daily driving and you do no racing just get the SMIC though I have never been a fan of it.

SPOautos

You get twice as much fresh air to cool the radiator and ic with a v mount as compared to a fmic, if you have the money get a large v mount. If you dont want to spend that much get a med or large smic and put a fan on the back of it

rotarypower101

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Technically you get closer to half as much air to each the radiator and the IC, though the temperature differential (the driving force to any heat exchanger) will be greater and seems to be better compromise than stacking the radiator and IC as in a frontmount application.

LetsGO7

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i don't know about the v-mount... don't you want less air possbile under a car to create downforce. the after cooled air from the rad points down which in case put more air to the floor. Now i heard that race cars do v-mount setup and such. BUT i don't see a formula car venting out hot air underside, i see venting out anywhere but not the underside.

That's just what i saw and think. don't flame me on this.

-joe

eugenchoo

F1 cars won't have this issue as they don't run turbos and don't need an intercooler. Their radiators are mounted at the side pods. I agree though about the theory of down force. I saw a video clip about the F50 and it showed the radiator mounted at a 45 degree angle with the fans mounted on top. Apparently sucking air from the bottom of the car while it is moving to create extra downforce. How much extra though I am not sure as I don't believe the suction power of the fans can keep up with the force of moving air at those speeds. I figure any down force lost in a V-Mount setup is negliable. But what you do get are lower temps which are good for your engine. No point having awesome grip when you don't have a setup that can help your engines cooling unless you plan to change engine after every race like F1 cars!

LetsGO7

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Turbos or no turbos (by the way, i think old formula one cars used turbos. When Porsche was supplying engines) "cooling" is the same i think.

Well...I think lower temps blah blah is taken kind of wrong by people (maybe myself as well). Engine runs more efficiently when hot not cold (i think that is WHY you have insulator on the hood/bonnet and some cars all around. For exhaust system is to have exhaust velocity higher.) NOW, radiator is to maintain this heat so it doesn't over heat to engine ceasing.

So for me, my understanding, radiator is to keep the heat maintained not to cool off the engine.

-joe

180sx-x

i dont comprehend your thinking since we are talking about the rotary engine, wich does create high heat and is prone to over heating very easily if not controled(i know, im currently gettimg my engine remaned for the third time...). i like the v-mount as it distributes the air evenly to the radiator and the IC...the SMIC is also good, especially the one from M2 performance(i would go with the med one from them...)...but a FMIC on the street in a daily driven RX is not smart because it doesnt allow as much cool air to reach the radiator...since your looking to buy an ARC intercooler, im assuming you have some cash to spend(their ics are usaully like $500 more than some others i have seen..), so i would get the v-mount...just my 0.2 cents...

Beny

the downforce argument.

put it in backwards!

like this: rear > front of car
......................|
..................IC/RAD

LetsGO7

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180x-x,

What part do you not understand? I'm saying maintain the temp. at the engine's best. Yes rotary runs hot...so what? don't overheat but also don't COOL it cool it. it's like this...

If the engine cease at 130 degree C, and the engine runs optimal at 100; maintain that 100 instead of cooling it down to 85. Now at the circuit, maintaining this might be hard but do-able. Stock cooling setup is perfectly fine when everything is new and not cracked at the plastics. (at the racing level cooling system needs to be pumped up but for street, stock is good but how long it will last, that's another thread! )

driving FMIC is not smart? Why not? we have people in California driving them aLL the time. People think this car is a bomb ready to go off (not true). it's a car; evo's run FMIC factory. (This talk could go forever by the way.)

Also at circuit i think aerodynamics takes in more effect so -vmount "might" not be an optimal option. (creating the front end lift isn't a good idea...can you say MAJOR understeer at a flat out bend. oh man~~! :-O )

-joe

BlueRex

He's not kidding. If you do a search on this you will see that the same question comes up over, and over, and over...

But the basic things that people have said are true. Do a little research and find the setup right for the type of driving you will be doing.

eugenchoo

Yup older honda lumps used to generate over 1000bhp from 1.6 turbo units. But my point is that they do not need to have 2 cooling devices squuezed into one area to cool 2 seperate components. If we did not have turbos we would not even bother about how the radiator was placed as long as it gets air flow

Yes I agree an engine needs to be hot to work. But rotaries tend to generate more heat. With your theory of insulators for the hood ALL companies that made vented hoods would go bust. It is a well known fact that heat can harm an engine. Yes, radiators are not there to cool your engine but control the heat to a desireable level. So the better you control this heat the better for your engine right? I bet I am not the only person who has suffered from a damaged engine due to overheating. You may not see the importance of lower water temps but trust me if you engine overheats and blows one day you will wish you paid more attention to your water temps.

eugenchoo

I have been thinking why they have not done that! But I guess fitment would be an issue. And the sucking fans would be blowing heated air at the intercooler