Fixed odd AC issue - no blowing on speed 1-3
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Fixed odd AC issue - no blowing on speed 1-3
Hey everyone -
Driving in the car today with another guy from work, and the AC is at position 3 (hot day!). Suddenly, the AC stops blowing - no air coming out. I play with the switch, and positions 1-3 don't do anything, but 4 works as advertised. Hmm.
I do have a PowerFC, so at first I thought I had finally caught the dreaded PFC AC problems (I have NEVER had an AC problem with my PFC). But, that's normally on a certain position, like 3, and not 1-3.
So, I dig out my trusty shop manual. There is a resistor for the fan blower that's actually in the air path to keep the resistor cool. There are 3 "levels" of resistance - this steps the voltage down from the maximum 12v to slow the blower down so you get differing speeds. When you're at positions 1-3, the voltage goes through the resistor, but at position 4 the full 12v goes straight to the blower motor for maximum speed.
So, there seems to be something up with the resistor. Resistors don't typically go bad, so I figured the connector came loose or something. Using the shop manual, I found the location of the resistor - it's on the blower motor under the passenger side of the dash. If you get up under the dash, you'll see wiring (most of the wires are blue with different colored stripes) going to a 4-wire black electrical plug. That plug is the resistor - it's held into the blower case with 2 screws. I popped mine right out.
The contacts where the plug attaches on the resistor were VERY dark and corroded looking. I shined them up some with a small file, reassembled, and I'm back in business. I'm going to call Ray at Malloy tomorrow to see how much a new resistor runs - if it's cheap, I'll likely replace it with a new part.
Anyhow, hope this helps somebody down the road .
Dale
Driving in the car today with another guy from work, and the AC is at position 3 (hot day!). Suddenly, the AC stops blowing - no air coming out. I play with the switch, and positions 1-3 don't do anything, but 4 works as advertised. Hmm.
I do have a PowerFC, so at first I thought I had finally caught the dreaded PFC AC problems (I have NEVER had an AC problem with my PFC). But, that's normally on a certain position, like 3, and not 1-3.
So, I dig out my trusty shop manual. There is a resistor for the fan blower that's actually in the air path to keep the resistor cool. There are 3 "levels" of resistance - this steps the voltage down from the maximum 12v to slow the blower down so you get differing speeds. When you're at positions 1-3, the voltage goes through the resistor, but at position 4 the full 12v goes straight to the blower motor for maximum speed.
So, there seems to be something up with the resistor. Resistors don't typically go bad, so I figured the connector came loose or something. Using the shop manual, I found the location of the resistor - it's on the blower motor under the passenger side of the dash. If you get up under the dash, you'll see wiring (most of the wires are blue with different colored stripes) going to a 4-wire black electrical plug. That plug is the resistor - it's held into the blower case with 2 screws. I popped mine right out.
The contacts where the plug attaches on the resistor were VERY dark and corroded looking. I shined them up some with a small file, reassembled, and I'm back in business. I'm going to call Ray at Malloy tomorrow to see how much a new resistor runs - if it's cheap, I'll likely replace it with a new part.
Anyhow, hope this helps somebody down the road .
Dale
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Hehe - thanks!
Funny thing is I bought a Lexus SC300 about 2 years back with the intention of really getting into that car. I got active on the Lexus forums, did some writeups, etc. One of the mods got into a big pissing match with me (long story) and I headed out of there. VERY different community, BTW. Anyhow, I told him that he really made a bad mistake running me out of town . So, the FD guys win!
Dale
Funny thing is I bought a Lexus SC300 about 2 years back with the intention of really getting into that car. I got active on the Lexus forums, did some writeups, etc. One of the mods got into a big pissing match with me (long story) and I headed out of there. VERY different community, BTW. Anyhow, I told him that he really made a bad mistake running me out of town . So, the FD guys win!
Dale
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Best thing that happened to me, Dale getting an FD. Thanks again for the helpful tip.
Tim
Tim
Thanks again Dale!
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BTW, talked to Ray today and got a new resistor pack coming - it's $36.94 for the resistor. I didn't get the part number, but if you ask for the AC blower motor resistor pack, he'll be able to look it up.
He said that it's a common service part for other cars, but he really hasn't sold any for the RX-7. So, I don't really know how common of a problem this is.
Anyhow, I got a new one coming - I'll get old and new part pics when it's here.
Dale
He said that it's a common service part for other cars, but he really hasn't sold any for the RX-7. So, I don't really know how common of a problem this is.
Anyhow, I got a new one coming - I'll get old and new part pics when it's here.
Dale
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Yep, sure did. It was about $30 or so from Ray at Malloy - I took pics for a writeup on it, should have that done soon.
Just cleaning the contacts did get my AC going, so really if you have this problem that's probably a good place to start. But, I wanted to go ahead and put a new part in there because I'm wacky like that .
I'll try and get the writeup done this morning.
Dale
Just cleaning the contacts did get my AC going, so really if you have this problem that's probably a good place to start. But, I wanted to go ahead and put a new part in there because I'm wacky like that .
I'll try and get the writeup done this morning.
Dale
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My mechanic actually thought of this very issue. I have a PFC and 94 touring. Never had the AC issue until after the rebuild and installing a new wiring harness.
After the rebuild, the dreaded no AC with fan switch 3 showed up. Replaced the resisitor and....NO AC on 2-4!!! It seems the PFC is very sensitive on the grounding. I think replacing the resisitor will help some people but others might find that they need to ground (sorry don't know the specifics of the wire my mechanic was talking about)
After the rebuild, the dreaded no AC with fan switch 3 showed up. Replaced the resisitor and....NO AC on 2-4!!! It seems the PFC is very sensitive on the grounding. I think replacing the resisitor will help some people but others might find that they need to ground (sorry don't know the specifics of the wire my mechanic was talking about)
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Writeup is done, BTW -
http://www.clubrx.org/default.asp?id...ntent=59&mnu=5
I haven't had ANY AC issues with my PowerFC. Not even a hiccup, knock on wood. Others have found the root of the problem seems to be the actual fan speed switch - cleaning the contacts or replacing it seems to help.
Dale
http://www.clubrx.org/default.asp?id...ntent=59&mnu=5
I haven't had ANY AC issues with my PowerFC. Not even a hiccup, knock on wood. Others have found the root of the problem seems to be the actual fan speed switch - cleaning the contacts or replacing it seems to help.
Dale
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Resistors do fail, at least on BMW's. We replace blower resistors all the time.
I've got a PFC too, and I've got what seems to be the most common problem: Fan works on all speeds, but only runs the compressor when on speed 1 and 2.
I've got a PFC too, and I've got what seems to be the most common problem: Fan works on all speeds, but only runs the compressor when on speed 1 and 2.
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What I appreciate about all Dale's write ups is his troubleshooting.
No guessing........... half *** fixes.........short cuts or redesigns to try and save a dime.
Figure out what's wrong. Verify the fault. Replace the part with the proper part.
You, my friend, are truly a mechanic. I wish I worked with more like you. My life would be easier.
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