fix snap over steer?
#27
Eats, Sleeps, Dreams Rotary
well, then in response to your first post there is nothing you can "buy" to fix your problem. Check your suspension and alignment settings. Many racers on this forum can effectively rotate the FD around corners without snap oversteer.
If everything mechanical checks out...then I think you have to face the fact at looking at the human component.
If everything mechanical checks out...then I think you have to face the fact at looking at the human component.
#28
Rotary Enthusiast
Mazda went with a smaller rear bar after 93 for less oversteer.
The FD, with engine mostly behind front axle line, has a low polar moment of inertia like mid engine cars. My old porsche 924T with front engine and rear transaxle, had a high inertia value. Hanging the back end out spinning the rears at Summit Point with the 924 was like it happened in slow motion, and it took a bit to get used to how quickly my FD would come around.
If alignment doesn't help, try later rear bar, and make sure low-slip grabby gear oil (like redline 75w90NS) was not used in the diff.
The FD, with engine mostly behind front axle line, has a low polar moment of inertia like mid engine cars. My old porsche 924T with front engine and rear transaxle, had a high inertia value. Hanging the back end out spinning the rears at Summit Point with the 924 was like it happened in slow motion, and it took a bit to get used to how quickly my FD would come around.
If alignment doesn't help, try later rear bar, and make sure low-slip grabby gear oil (like redline 75w90NS) was not used in the diff.
#29
I know you dont wanna be treated like a newbie, but look at it this way....
Lets look at the two extremes.
Large cars with V8s etc, mostly front end weight distribution - easy to control oversteer.
Small cars, such as the MR2 - mostly rear end weight. VERY hard to control oversteer, lots of snap oversteer.
Reason being is not only because the MR2 has most of its weight at the back, it also has a larger PROPORTION of weight at the back. So when the rear goes, there is alot of weight in the back pushing it around.
In a front heavy car, although the rear doesnt have as much traction as there isnt as much weight on it, it also has less weight pushing the rear end round, so it rotates slower and is easier to catch.
The FD is smack in the middle of those two, as it has 50-50 weight distribution. From personal experience, having gone from a sierra cosworth (2.0 4 pot turbo, 330bhp) to an RX7, i WOULD have said the RX7 had snap oversteer. I like to go sideways on a regular basis (its actually pretty much all my car gets used for) and the cosworth was alot slower to swap ends once traction was broken. You had alot more time to opposite lock, didnt have to give it as much opposite lock and could give it more throttle during a drift.
The FD on the otherhand, is a simple case of turn, break traction and instantly give it full opposite lock, because it does come out quick, compared to other cars. But it certainly isnt the quickest or the worst.
Lets look at the two extremes.
Large cars with V8s etc, mostly front end weight distribution - easy to control oversteer.
Small cars, such as the MR2 - mostly rear end weight. VERY hard to control oversteer, lots of snap oversteer.
Reason being is not only because the MR2 has most of its weight at the back, it also has a larger PROPORTION of weight at the back. So when the rear goes, there is alot of weight in the back pushing it around.
In a front heavy car, although the rear doesnt have as much traction as there isnt as much weight on it, it also has less weight pushing the rear end round, so it rotates slower and is easier to catch.
The FD is smack in the middle of those two, as it has 50-50 weight distribution. From personal experience, having gone from a sierra cosworth (2.0 4 pot turbo, 330bhp) to an RX7, i WOULD have said the RX7 had snap oversteer. I like to go sideways on a regular basis (its actually pretty much all my car gets used for) and the cosworth was alot slower to swap ends once traction was broken. You had alot more time to opposite lock, didnt have to give it as much opposite lock and could give it more throttle during a drift.
The FD on the otherhand, is a simple case of turn, break traction and instantly give it full opposite lock, because it does come out quick, compared to other cars. But it certainly isnt the quickest or the worst.
#30
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Originally Posted by KevinK2
Mazda went with a smaller rear bar after 93 for less oversteer...
If alignment doesn't help, try later rear bar, and make sure low-slip grabby gear oil (like redline 75w90NS) was not used in the diff.
If alignment doesn't help, try later rear bar, and make sure low-slip grabby gear oil (like redline 75w90NS) was not used in the diff.
Oh yeah, shitty tires = shitty handling
#31
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Originally Posted by BryanDowns
I'm curious if there is a way to do this? My FD seems to want to swap rear ends pretty quickly. Much more so than any other rwd car I've driven. its not the power as I've had a car this fast before. What kind of stuff can I buy?
My Fd was also unstable like that. My problem was worn diff bushings. It caused to much sloop in the rear end not allowing the rear tires full contact with the payment during corners. Check out your bushings and I bet that may be your problem. I installed the Jimlab solid diff mounts and the rear is solid now. Oh yea also check your pillow ball bushings. Stock Fd's are very stable it the suspension is in great shape
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