matty

Who would win?
My 7 has full exhaust, intake, and power fc.
The mustang is a late 80s 4 cylinder with turbo installed. The guy that is instigating the race says the mustang is seriously worked and makes around 420hp. Could this be possible...i mean doesnt the 4 cylinder make like 135hp stock...how can u triple that number and still drive it on the road. The instigator can be a bullshitter at times. What do u guys think....?

Matt

ttpowerd

*cough bs bs cough* Those are not that fast and it is very near impossible for them to triple their hp numbers with one turbo

ttpowerd

race him and let us know what happens

kris

Is it an Svo? Svo came stock with 200hp in 1986. And there are guys running 10s with the 2.3. Probably not him, but still...

matty

svo was a 4 cylinder?

matt

HUGH

I thought it was a 6 but I could be wrong.

ttpowerd

They did have "from the factory" 4cylinder turboed mustangs called svo sorta like svt but that was the name back then

matty

i think it s an aftermarket turbo.
Still though over 400 hp on a street driven 4 cylinder mustang...

sigmaldwarf

SVO was a four cyl. If you don't beat him in a strait line (which I am not sure)... take him to a road course and tear him a new one in the corners!!! FOX body Mustangs (what this is) flex like there is no tomorrow!!!

redrotorR1

even if it is a 400HP mustang ... it's STILL a mustang. high drivetrain losses, poor power distribution across the solid axle .... well, the list goes on. mustang's have always been hard to hook up and they flat out suck when it comes to the twisties. if the dude's a capable driver, he'll run you ... with 400 horsies ... he might win. your setup looks like you should be running ~ 300RWHP on a car that's ~ 2700 lbs. he's probably ~ 330RWHP on a car that's ~ 3400 lbs. i still think you have the edge ... but, it may come down to who's the better driver.

but ... 400HP on a turbo 4-cyl? being that it's a blue oval, it's gotta be a twin cam 4 ... i don't care how big a turbo you slap on there, it's gonna be damn near impossible to get 400HP outta that tiny thing.

sigmaldwarf

an svo fox should be tipping under 3000lbs on the scale. My bloated 98 V6 is 3060 lbs... and the old fox body is lighter than my car. I agree lots of the power is going to be lost in the drivetrain... but he'll be running a TKO T-5 or a world class T-5 probably (these are the trany's) to handle the HP if he has what he says he has... so those will cut some of the power loss through the drivetrain. If he has the power he is talking about... it may be a good race. My money would be in your corner though!!!

matty

i think the guy said he had t-04 turbo...whats that in the mustang world?

Matt

matty

also...i think i would do it from a 25 mph roll...get second gear ready. For some reason it is damn hard to launch my car from a stop...i guess i need to upgrade the tires.
in this race it would probably be better to do it from a stop, huh?

Matt

redrotorR1

i don't think the t-04 is any different in the mustang world than in the RX-7 world. t-04 just refers to the size of the turbo, i believe. and if memory serves me correctly, the t-04 is a big 'un. course that also means, it's hell getting that thing spooled up. even with a bored and stroked out 4-banger, i would think he'd still have to wait until 4 grand before he sees boost.

from a 25-mph roll, now we're talking about top end runs. i think the FD's gearing already gives you the advantage. hopefully, you don't have the 5th gear synchro problem like me, so you can stay in the power band all the way up to 180 (???)

as far as launching, it's all about practice. tires do help though ... if you're having trouble with tire hop, try decreasing the rear tire pressure (but not too much ...)

matty

i spin like a mad man...if i hit in first from a roll once the secondarry hits which is pretty much instaneuos the tires spin..if i hit second nice and quick..forget it...i just spin. the tires are stock bridgeston expedia's which get pretty good grip ratings...what else could cause poor traction?
Last night it was cold out...the fd was an animal i was getting spinage when i was trying to pass people in second gear from the primary turbo only.

the_glass_man

iTrader: (2)

You can do it! I think the dude is BSing ya, but you won't know till you try.

Lost Time

Run him. What's the worst that could happen? You lose. I'm sure it won't be the first time, and it probably won't be the last. Go for it.

man_of_steel

what about a GT mustang (97, I think), so it has a 4.6L engine, with FLowmasters, a K&N air filter, and a filtered supercharger? One of my bosses at work drives this car and continues to give no respect to my 93 FD. Within about 2 weeks I will have all my parts on it...Bonez ss dp, APex N1 cb, amemiya intake, hose techniqies silicon hose kit...I want to know what point I will have to be at in order to punk out this damn dime-a-dozen mustang and shut my manager up. Normally I would never ask this, but after swinging by work last night after installing my Greddy turbo Timer and boost gauge, I had also pulled off the silencer from the installed N1. I was telling another one of the bartenders, and my manager overheard and cut in with, "Great. NOw it must sound like a true riceburner." which obviously pissed me off.

Lost Time

A supercharged V8 is gonna be a tough match-up. Just make sure you race him from a stop. I would say you need all the bolt-ons and 13psi to make it interesting.

man_of_steel

hmmm, I just read an article on car and driver's webiste where they took a 97 GT, added bigger throttle body, underdive pulleys, high flow shorty headers, high performance 2-vale cylinder heads, high intake manifold, better fuel pump, ecu upgrade, and an SVO supercharger. THeir mustang ran a 4.9 0-60 and a 13.8 quarter. And I know that my manager has NOT done all that. I just wish the article had told its final HP....

glhs379

The SVO's were 4cyl turbo's and I believe they were intercooled. They were a smiliar driveline to the thunderbird turbo coupe. They ran as good as the 5.0's if not a little better mph due to the lighter weight and turbo. They were probaly high 14's out of the box. With enough boost and that big turbo he is talking about, it might go pretty good.

Just my $.02

Snook

iTrader: (12)

So for this 97 gt we have 3580 curb weight without your boss....and it sounds like you wouldn't mind me calling him fat so with him in it we get a solid 4k.
Then the car stock has 215hp and 285 tq so you add a supercharger and I wouldn't be shocked with something like 400hp to the wheels give or take 25 depending on what else he has done. I know port and polish on that car with a supercharger makes those figures go wayyy up. My friend has a 2000 gt 4.6 liter and he has an exhaust and supercharger and he puts down 425hp to the wheels and runs 11's in the quarter mile at 12psi.
So looks like this guy is gonna be able to talk trash and back it up. I would take high on the interstate and race him for top speed which at stock for him would be 140 and now maybe close to 160 can you go all the way on your speedo? Wait this sounds like a bad idea too maybe you should take him on a road coarse and he'll lose control at the first turn probably. I can tell you from experience that mustangs blow at handling and even a cobra which is supposed to have an upgraded suspension and brakes still is horrible.
What I'm trying to say is that he may beat you but then he will realize that he's driving a mustang and commit suicide if the car doesn't do it for him at those speeds.
Pe@ce'
-Snook

silvr94r2

iTrader: (3)

You guys should read up on "cars" more......seems alot of people don't think the Mustang can run. Well, let's keep it that way so I can keep waxing people with my daily driven 94 Convertible GT that weighs 3600lbs. It runs high 12's on the juice and the internals are completely stock along with the whole valvetrain. Off the juice it runs high 13's.....these times are on street tires mind you. Slicks would be a totally different story indeed.

Anyway, you need to find out more about the 4 cyl. Mustang you are talking about. I had a 87 4cyl. coupe that was cut all to hell to make it lighter (2300lbs.) and a SVO motor. That car was the ultimate sleeper! I won alot of races with it! I have a friend right now with an SVO that put down 380rwhp and 410tq @ 12.5:1 a/f. We are doing some other mods to it and expect to put down closer to 500. The hp #'s are on a completely stock 100,000 mile bottom end. We are taking it as far as possible before building it. We didn't have an intercooler hooked up when we went to the dyno because we were just testing the new turbo and the PMS. It has an air-to-water intercooler with bigger injectors now. We have the record as of now and are sure to completely destroy it and raise the bar even higher.

BTW....the SVO could probably hold it's own in the twisties as well.....check up on it....you'll be suprised.

On the 97 GT with a Supercharger......if it's "only" a 2-valve and the guy can't drive worth a **** then you should only lose by about a car. If he's got the updated heads and any other mods then you can just start counting car lengths from there. I also have a friend with a 97 with similar mods but the updated heads and the usual bolt-ons that runs mid 12's on DR's. He's not really even driving all that hard either.....i think i could put it in the high 11's or low 12's at least.

Lost Time

Something doesn't sound right. Let's take a stock 4.6 Mustang, with 285hp. Now let's add all that stuff you have listed. Now we're conservatively at 400 hp. Let's say the car weighs 3600 lbs. Unless the driver is too short to reach the gas pedal, the car should run much better than a 13.8 Could you post a link to the page you read that?

rynberg

Be careful you don't run lean with those mods. You should really get an ecu before you go WOT with those mods. Don't make your manager's harassment worse by blowing your engine racing him. Take care and mod your car properly so you can beat him and not have to spend $4k on a new engine.