FD V 2005 C6 Corvette
08-06-04, 11:16 PM
#126
Even if you found one set of circumstances under which the FD would get better mileage than the Z-06 (I doubt it, but just for the sake of argument I will entertain the idea), the reality is that the FD burns more gas in general. At best, you've found the exception that proves the rule. I think the problem is that you don't accept that the Z-06 gets better mileage in general, which is something that the other folks know as fact. Arguing about "that one time when the FD might have gotten better mileage" is completely pointless.
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08-06-04, 11:55 PM
#127
Originally Posted by hardbodeez
............And how come, all Adam C does is jump threads? If you're not here to help people, then go on some dating chat forums. I can't stand seeing people gang up on others, but one day if you keep drinking your milk you can grow up and fend for yourself. Until then, why don't you keep your insulting comments to yourself you ignorant *****!
08-07-04, 12:17 AM
#129
Originally Posted by hardbodeez
Definately hard to believe. If I still had my twins, I would love to go and do that same run again against the Vette and I would put my money down.
08-07-04, 01:13 AM
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Having driven my FD daily and my father's 2003 Vette on the side the gas mileage is unbelievably different. He works in a city with 25mph speed limits and stop signs GALORE....... 20.7mpg city.
08-07-04, 01:16 AM
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GM makes one of, if not the best, push rod V-8's in the world.
Look at the HP they squeeze outta those babies.
It maintains eye-contact with many European DOHC V-8s.
And now GM has some ***-kicking 32V v8.
Look at the HP they squeeze outta those babies.
It maintains eye-contact with many European DOHC V-8s.
And now GM has some ***-kicking 32V v8.
08-07-04, 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by maxcooper
Even if you found one set of circumstances under which the FD would get better mileage than the Z-06 (I doubt it, but just for the sake of argument I will entertain the idea), the reality is that the FD burns more gas in general. At best, you've found the exception that proves the rule. I think the problem is that you don't accept that the Z-06 gets better mileage in general, which is something that the other folks know as fact. Arguing about "that one time when the FD might have gotten better mileage" is completely pointless.
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I built my car to whip pretty much whatever I can. And really that's what's important, smoking as much of those higher end cars as possible. When I go back to the track and the car goes 11.20's, I'm gonna be pretty damn happy. It'll be a good comprimise and a great all around non-nitroused street car. And, as long as I don't boost, the cars' gas mileage will be pretty close to what it was with the twins. Make the Z06 into an 11.20 car (without spray) and compare gas mileage again. Oh but that's off topic right..we're comparing stock figures.
The comparison is not fair, they don't make the 7 anymore. The closest should be a 2002 R against the Vette's best in 2002(if it's the Z06 then). And that way niether has the technological advantage. Compare the brand new Vette with an RX that has now been modded to compete with it. Apples with apples.
The name of this thread should have been changed to:"Rocky Marciano vs Mike Tyson".
08-07-04, 01:28 AM
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wow, interesting thread howard, i like the comparisons in your initial post, good brain food.
... by the way, in about 5 seconds ill post a movie clip of when I chased down a lambo gallardo at BIR on wednesday :-)
I hope we get to run together at BIR soemday so you can teach me some tricks ;-)
... by the way, in about 5 seconds ill post a movie clip of when I chased down a lambo gallardo at BIR on wednesday :-)
I hope we get to run together at BIR soemday so you can teach me some tricks ;-)
08-07-04, 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by hardbodeez
I don't know many 12.0 cars that get that good of gas mileage period(which is what I ran at the time of the trip).
I'm comparing it to a long drive I would like to see the Vette fair in. Obviously I don't do 6 hour drives frequently, I'm comparing it to what I've been through
the entire world about the Vette's incredible gas mileage?
Make the Z06 into an 11.20 car (without spray) and compare gas mileage again.
The comparison is not fair, they don't make the 7 anymore. The closest should be a 2002 R against the Vette's best in 2002
Sorry man. The C5/Z06 gets better gas mileage in city and highway.
08-07-04, 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Mahjik
If you can't keep this a civil discussion, don't post at all. This is not an official warning, yet, just keep the temper down.
Just a personal vendetta against Adam C about what he has written about me and other people in the past. And don't tell me to keep the temper down when I post something and get attacked? Don't play favourites Mahjik, you back me into a corner and I'm comin out fighting. You wanna keep it civil, tell Jim L not to discourage people from posting with under 500 threads, this isn't a private party, it's a public forum. I've heard enough insulting responses to innocent posts, I'm quite tired of it, but at least I've been on here to be watching for it.
08-07-04, 08:55 AM
#138
Originally Posted by adam c
Actually Jim,
He said he used the whole tank. The tank is over 20 gallons, so he's only getting about 18 mpg.
He said he used the whole tank. The tank is over 20 gallons, so he's only getting about 18 mpg.
Originally Posted by adam c
(to Jimlab) ...... He didn't give the mileage he drove, or the amount of gas he used. Then he claimed good gas mileage .......... and YOU gave him a break. You must be getting soft in your old age 
I sincerely apologize for my horrible insulting posts. I don't know what came over me to write something so rude and insensitive, especially in a public forum. I hope someday you will find it in your heart to forgive me.
08-07-04, 10:12 AM
#139
Originally Posted by hardbodeez
Just a personal vendetta against Adam C about what he has written about me and other people in the past. And don't tell me to keep the temper down when I post something and get attacked? Don't play favourites Mahjik, you back me into a corner and I'm comin out fighting. You wanna keep it civil, tell Jim L not to discourage people from posting with under 500 threads, this isn't a private party, it's a public forum. I've heard enough insulting responses to innocent posts, I'm quite tired of it, but at least I've been on here to be watching for it.
I have no problem with people swapping insults in "intelligent manners", that is called wit. However, when you resort to direct name calling, it's no longer wit and definitely not in an "intelligent manner".
08-07-04, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by teamstealth
um...the current Z06 does 12.0's stock.....sorry
Until I see one at the track on radials pulling it off, it sounds like numbers to me. I did that with no burnout.
Check the highway figures for a Vette/Z06....theyre 27-29mpg from every single car magazine in the world. Are you saying that multiple magazines would LIE to
the entire world about the Vette's incredible gas mileage?
Oh that's right...magazine arcticles never lie.
Thats as simple as a cam, and the gas mileage will not suffer that drastically since it will be only a slightly more agressive grind.
WTF!!! 8/10's From a cam change when you're already going that fast? Are you high? I am totally laughing at this one. A cam change alone isn't gonna make that much power on a (what was it a 7.7:1 motor) let alone a slightly more aggressive cam. I'd like to see JUST a cam change make that much a difference on a 14 sec car. And sorry, you'd be changing duration and lift, which will definately put the power higher up, hoping the heads will match the increased velocity. The low compression is giving it the gas mileage, and to start building the motor up N/A you're gonna eventually have to up cylinder pressure. You'd change the power curve and characteristics of the motor, but it would be interesting to see what it would do to the mileage.
when has the Spirit R had a different basic engine and turbo setup from our 93-95 FD's?
I thought the turbos had the motor make more power, 255 to 280. But what I was trying to compare was the same year car, so you're missing the point.
Sorry man. The C5/Z06 gets better gas mileage in city and highway.
Until I see one at the track on radials pulling it off, it sounds like numbers to me. I did that with no burnout.
Check the highway figures for a Vette/Z06....theyre 27-29mpg from every single car magazine in the world. Are you saying that multiple magazines would LIE to
the entire world about the Vette's incredible gas mileage?
Oh that's right...magazine arcticles never lie.
Thats as simple as a cam, and the gas mileage will not suffer that drastically since it will be only a slightly more agressive grind.
WTF!!! 8/10's From a cam change when you're already going that fast? Are you high? I am totally laughing at this one. A cam change alone isn't gonna make that much power on a (what was it a 7.7:1 motor) let alone a slightly more aggressive cam. I'd like to see JUST a cam change make that much a difference on a 14 sec car. And sorry, you'd be changing duration and lift, which will definately put the power higher up, hoping the heads will match the increased velocity. The low compression is giving it the gas mileage, and to start building the motor up N/A you're gonna eventually have to up cylinder pressure. You'd change the power curve and characteristics of the motor, but it would be interesting to see what it would do to the mileage.
when has the Spirit R had a different basic engine and turbo setup from our 93-95 FD's?
I thought the turbos had the motor make more power, 255 to 280. But what I was trying to compare was the same year car, so you're missing the point.
Sorry man. The C5/Z06 gets better gas mileage in city and highway.
08-07-04, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by BATMAN
It maintains eye-contact with many European DOHC V-8s.
And now GM has some ***-kicking 32V v8.
And now GM has some ***-kicking 32V v8.
Airflow dictates how much horsepower an engine can make. If you can get enough airflow with only 2 valves, then there's no justification for the size, weight, complexity, and expense of overhead cams. Smaller engines need multiple valves (and overhead cams to actuate them) because they don't have the bore diameter for big valves, and they have to rev in order to ingest enough air to make decent power.
08-07-04, 11:14 AM
#142
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Originally Posted by hardbodeez
The comparison is not fair, they don't make the 7 anymore. The closest should be a 2002 R against the Vette's best in 2002(if it's the Z06 then). And that way niether has the technological advantage.
Compare the brand new Vette with an RX that has now been modded to compete with it. Apples with apples.
The name of this thread should have been changed to:"Rocky Marciano vs Mike Tyson".
Everyone else gets it. What's your glitch?
08-07-04, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by hardbodeez
Just a personal vendetta against Adam C about what he has written about me and other people in the past. And don't tell me to keep the temper down when I post something and get attacked? Don't play favourites Mahjik, you back me into a corner and I'm comin out fighting. You wanna keep it civil, tell Jim L not to discourage people from posting with under 500 threads, this isn't a private party, it's a public forum. I've heard enough insulting responses to innocent posts, I'm quite tired of it, but at least I've been on here to be watching for it.
your stubborness, however, is impressive...and if you take that as a personal attack....sorry it wasn't intended
08-07-04, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by hardbodeez
Oh that's right...magazine arcticles never lie.
The low compression is giving it the good gas mileage.
08-07-04, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Mahjik
Simple fact, no one "flamed" anyone until you posted "ignorant *****". That is a flame and against the rules. I was being nice about so just take it and move on. Most other mods would have probably put you in timeout for a few days (temp ban).
I told you, it's something personal from a comment made about me awhile ago. If you want to ban me, then do it, what's the big deal. I mostly use this site to buy and sell parts, not information. If something IS wrong with my car, I call actual RX7 mechanics who are paid to fix them on a daily basis. Not Joe schmo who's changed his exhaust and thinks he's the RX7 Guru. There are many great places out there to help, but people are too cheap. In the end cars take money to build not knowledge.
I have no problem with people swapping insults in "intelligent manners", that is called wit. However, when you resort to direct name calling, it's no longer wit and definitely not in an "intelligent manner".
I told you, it's something personal from a comment made about me awhile ago. If you want to ban me, then do it, what's the big deal. I mostly use this site to buy and sell parts, not information. If something IS wrong with my car, I call actual RX7 mechanics who are paid to fix them on a daily basis. Not Joe schmo who's changed his exhaust and thinks he's the RX7 Guru. There are many great places out there to help, but people are too cheap. In the end cars take money to build not knowledge.
I have no problem with people swapping insults in "intelligent manners", that is called wit. However, when you resort to direct name calling, it's no longer wit and definitely not in an "intelligent manner".
The moderators don't get on people quick enough. And they let some people with more posts(or their friends) run their mouths like they own the forum. This is how it escalates to what it is. I'm gonna post, if I get attacked I'm coming right back at them. I'm not about to be insulted by anyone, let alone some kid.
If you're gonna ban me for protecting myself, go ahead!
08-07-04, 11:32 AM
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08-07-04, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by jimlab
It wouldn't matter, the rotary engine is incredibly fuel inefficient.
Still wouldn't matter.
Maybe it should be renamed "Hardheaded Canadian can't get it through his thick skull that his FD gets shitty gas mileage"...
Everyone else gets it. What's your glitch?
Still wouldn't matter.
Maybe it should be renamed "Hardheaded Canadian can't get it through his thick skull that his FD gets shitty gas mileage"...
Everyone else gets it. What's your glitch?
Thanks Jim. My point exactly!!!
08-07-04, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by hardbodeez
There's no "intelligent manner" who are you kidding. Get rid of the BS flags, pretty much any icon, since they mostly deroggatory and insulting. How can you let that go, Mahjik (A monkey masterbating??) and call that intelligent manners? Many people are afraid to post from being ridiculed or insulted, let the flames begin, right? How many times have you heard "Do a search!"...well, close the forum and make it one big search engine, don't give someone hell for asking. Previuosly, I make a post and someone calls me names because I'm Canadian? WTF is that? Not at all did he get banned, not a warning. If you're gonna insult Canadians, I'm coming at you full fk'ing blast.
08-07-04, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by BATMAN
U sure about that?
I thought they were production chassis with wide body kits and obviously stripped.
I thought they were production chassis with wide body kits and obviously stripped.
I thought that to but when i PMed RE-A about it they said this:
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Thank you PM me.
2004 Real race car is a pipe frame one.
This kit doesn't fit a stock FD.
Now, RE-A are manufacturing a streetable 2004 GT kit.
I will let you know right after I get details.
Thanks
That the only reason i thought so and in this pic that wouldnt be to hard to believe. But i've never seen it in person so i have no idea, but i would guess if you took the front end off the front part of the frame has been replaced with bars.
just a guess
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