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Old May 27, 2010 | 10:59 AM
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FD featured on CarandDriver.com and in the July 2010 issue of Car and Driver

Small snippet, but still pretty neat:

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...yphoon-feature
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Old May 27, 2010 | 02:27 PM
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The Syclone is much harder to find than the FD and the ZR-1, especially unmodded. And they are incredibly capable engines for straight line power and drag racing. They are turbo AWD 4.3L and very easy to tune because all the GM computers can be easily reprogrammed. In some ways it's a Grand National in AWD truck form.

GM put out a notorious TSB to dealerships soon after the Syclone/Typhoon came out. It explained to how to spot modifications to technicians. This is long before people could post drag times on internet car forums...

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Old May 27, 2010 | 05:54 PM
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Interesting catch. I agree with them on both the Rx7 and ZR1. I don't go a month without looking at ZR1 prices.

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I get paid to put this stuff online at C/D, so I knew this was coming a few weeks ago...

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The Syclone is much harder to find than the FD and the ZR-1, especially unmodded. And they are incredibly capable engines for straight line power and drag racing. They are turbo AWD 4.3L and very easy to tune because all the GM computers can be easily reprogrammed. In some ways it's a Grand National in AWD truck form.

GM put out a notorious TSB to dealerships soon after the Syclone/Typhoon came out. It explained to how to spot modifications to technicians. This is long before people could post drag times on internet car forums...

One of the guys I work with has a low-mile, bone stock Syclone. It's hot.
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Old May 27, 2010 | 06:18 PM
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Of course its red - the single best color for the FD.
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Old May 27, 2010 | 07:03 PM
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Sweet...nice to see the FD with classics like the ZR1 and the Syclone. Good company.
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Old May 27, 2010 | 07:24 PM
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I don't think it was much competition, those old vettes were quick, but handled horribly. And the cyclone idk what they were thinking putting that in there.
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Old May 27, 2010 | 07:26 PM
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"...proved to be too extreme and too expensive."
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Old May 27, 2010 | 08:14 PM
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"...proved to be too extreme and too expensive."
basically means it was too hard for people to understand the rotary, and expensive when they blew their motors
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Old May 27, 2010 | 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by gracer7-rx7
Of course its red - the single best color for the FD.
Actually, the magazine itself has a CYM as the picture. I am a subsriber and was pleased to see they put a picture of an FD in there..
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Old May 27, 2010 | 09:37 PM
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A Syclone is a far better platform in a straight line than the old ZR-1's or a street FD. Of course that's all it's really good for, and it's pretty ugly, but GM automatic tranny + AWD + factory turbo = killer drag racing potential.
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Old May 27, 2010 | 09:54 PM
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FD curves truly are timeless.....the C4 looks like a barge
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Old May 27, 2010 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by gmonsen
Interesting catch. I agree with them on both the Rx7 and ZR1. I don't go a month without looking at ZR1 prices.

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What appeals to you about the old ZR-1?
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Old May 28, 2010 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by gracer7-rx7
Of course its red - the single best color for the FD.
Right behind The CYM
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Old May 28, 2010 | 08:50 AM
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Yeah, regardless of how the ZR-1 looks that thing sure felt fast. I used to work with a troglodyte who had a nice ZR-1. It pinned me back in the seat the way no other American V-8 ever did.
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Old May 28, 2010 | 08:59 AM
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Right behind The CYM
And right behine Batmobile Black for both
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Old May 28, 2010 | 09:46 AM
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Yeah, regardless of how the ZR-1 looks that thing sure felt fast. I used to work with a troglodyte who had a nice ZR-1. It pinned me back in the seat the way no other American V-8 ever did.
Clearly you've never been in a C6 Z06 then.
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Old May 28, 2010 | 10:03 AM
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Recent changes in the FD world are helping to edge this car further toward serious co

1) lots of v8s on ebay probably 20% of the FDs listed have v8s. The more v8s people drop in this car the fewer clean unharmed rotaries to choose from.

2) as gordon often points out the bar bell effect is becoming more and more pronounced because the clean low mileage cars are at 20k and the beat cars are at 8k. So with lots of sub 10k beat up FDs going to lower income individuals who will not be able to afford the up keep those cars will either be parted or destroyed leaving fewer and fewer available. I seriously believe in 10 years the low mileage well cared for FDs will be worth 30k plus. Of any car developed in the last 20 years I say the FD has the best chance of becoming the next big time collector.

3) The rotary engine may die out all together and it's a very cool engine. The FD would be a great example of what used to be the rotary

Probably lots of other reasons or arguments that would justify this car as a collector so keep your FDs nice and clean because you never know it might be a decent investment and also because it's just fun owning a cool car
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Old May 28, 2010 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by arghx
Clearly you've never been in a C6 Z06 then.
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Old May 28, 2010 | 10:20 AM
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FD curves truly are timeless.....the C4 looks like a barge
made my day, thanks!
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Old May 28, 2010 | 10:45 AM
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Probably lots of other reasons or arguments that would justify this car as a collector so keep your FDs nice and clean because you never know it might be a decent investment
Perhaps, but only low mileage examples, less than 30k. How many of those are left in the U.S.? Maybe 50? Full off restorations may also bring a good sum, but very few people restore these cars they right way, plenty of hack jobs and cheap re-sprays
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Old May 28, 2010 | 10:56 AM
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Perhaps, but only low mileage examples, less than 30k. How many of those are left in the U.S.? Maybe 50? Full off restorations may also bring a good sum, but very few people restore these cars they right way, plenty of hack jobs and cheap re-sprays
I'm thinking big like 1967 mustang fast back collectable

"plenty of hack jobs" exactly hence the ever increasing value and collector status of the well kept ones.

What's great is because this is such a cool car there are still plenty of low mileage garage queens left but this # will of course continue to dwindle which will of course increase the value of the well kept low mileage and restored cars. There are probably 50 currently for sale with 50k or less miles and 100s more in peoples garages.
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And if the garage queens ever do come out of hiding, Fritz Rotary Inc is waiting on EBay, ready to snap them up like a Gaboon Viper grabbing a tasy snack
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Old May 28, 2010 | 12:12 PM
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And if the garage queens ever do come out of hiding, Fritz Rotary Inc is waiting on EBay, ready to snap them up like a Gaboon Viper grabbing a tasy snack
I'm much more advanced than that. Think the predator movie
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Old May 28, 2010 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by gmonsen
As to the ZR1 versus the Z06. I just like the doble overhead cam motor and the more sophisticated sound it makes compared to the as-powerful LS6 of the C6 car. For some people pure power or speed are not everything. Its how its done and how it sounds, as well as the numbers.

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Ah but I was referring to the 500hp LS7 engine in the C6 which also has a 7000rpm redline. I am well aware of the 405hp LS6, as I've driven a C5 Z06. There's really no comparison between the C6 Z06 and earlier models. Everything is better about the C6 cars, especially the interior.
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Old May 29, 2010 | 10:51 AM
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I encourage you to test drive a C6 Z06. You won't be disappointed. The '06 models still cost in the high 40's for a good condition unmodded one (I think they were in the mid 60's new).
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