in all due fairness, I wouldn't classify abel, jose, or the racing beat cars as well....cars anymore. In no way or form do they resemble anything that came out of the assembly line save the shape of the body. Absolutely everything has been changed in those cars, what makes that an FD then??

 

So what did they do to prevent the FD from lifting?

They reached 240 without liftoff, so they obviously went back to the drawing board. Curious as to what areo or other improvement they did to accomplish this.

 

Very true. It's like calling the Pro Stock Cavaliers and Neons (with fiberglass bodies and 1000hp V8's) well, ...Cavaliers and Neons.

 

I think those sport compacts are a huge joke putting V8's in them and still calling them a Cavalier or Neon, LOL!

 

It's definately one of the most ghey things that have evolved with racing.

Thats for sure!

 

i think the lift off was drivers mistake or mech. dificultie
in the video u can see the front wheels shaking and it spins,when the car spun the air got under from the rear.

 

i am sure the other side of the feild could argue the same with putting a rotary in an old toyota, datsun, mistubishi....

 

Sort of like throwing a domestic transmission and a 4-link suspension with a Ford 9" carrier in the back of an import... especially one that used to be front-drive... and still calling it an import?

Vinny Ten runs a GM Powerglide, I've heard, and both Ten and Paisely had domestic differentials, as far as I know. I doubt Abel Ibarra is running anything but a Ford 9" and a Lenco in his car, and I can name at least a couple dozen others who had to resort to using domestic drivetrain components to get where they are now.

So where do you draw the line? I think Ibarra and the other pro "import" drivers should run against Jeg Coughlin Jr. or Greg Yates (NHRA Pro Stock). Obviously making them run against funny cars and top fuel dragsters would be ridiculous...

 

I talked to a guy from Racing Beat while at SS5 about the car flipping over and he said those little "fins" on the roof actually made a big difference . The one piece nose is also a lot smoother on the black car than the white car (which appears to have a stock nose). Also another point of history, the black car is actually the same car as the white one that flipped over. Apparently the damage wasn't really that bad, the roof was a little crumpled and some fender damage but nothing major, so they just fixed it up and repainted it.

 

...Hence the term "Back in Black" as stated before.

Also, those fins would probably also support king__fish111's theory that the lift was not a result of inadequate downforce like the porsche that took off in Le Mans.

 

I have done 190 in a fd on I-5

 

With what modifications, how long did it take you to get to that speed, and how were you able to determine you were going 190 mph?

 

Jim when you finish your car you should be able to break 200. You better try to, if not hand over the keys. I'm serious to.

So the FD is designed to prevent lift off up to 240 (at least). Is this a correct statement.

I want to make sure this statement is correct before I bring Jim's car past the 200mph mark.

 

Easily.

No, unfortunately it's not.

 

So what needs to be done to the FD to make it prevent lift off? I don't want to hear you flipped your car when you went for your top speed run. You will be going for a top speed run I hope.

 

a front lip


most cars will lift @ 200mph. unless there top speed is 250

 

The FD has an OE front lip spoiler. If this doesn't produce enough downforce to keep the car from lifting, which one does. When I say which one I mean what spoiler has been designed and proven to keep the FD from lifting when over 200mph.

Basicly I want a spoiler designed for function and not style.

 

ease up on the crack pipe dude

where are you going to be attempting this 200 mph run? can I be the beneficiary on your life insurance?

 

If we're talking fastest FD with a 13B, what about the Scoot Sports FD? In the same Option Video with the Racing Beat FDs the Scoot FD went like 329 kph (approx. 204 mph?) on a New Zealand backroad. Pretty fast, plus it's a street driven car.

 

I have been in the 175-178mph range in a 951. I know it may sound fast but to be honest on a 4 lane highway at 3:30 in the AM it really didn't seem that fast.

Now with a yzf-R1 that would be a different story.

I'm a nurse and can tell you giving an IM injection to an HIV infected pt. is far more risky.

Get off your crack pipe and grow some *****.

 

Get off your crack pipe and grow some *****



too funny....when is the last time you did 165 on a bike, mr. big talker? let me guess....never

I'd like to see you do 200 ANYWHERE aside from a deserted runway or otherwised isolated area designated for top speed testing....I'll put $1000 up right now that says you would never pull it off on a public road....there is a HUGE diff between 160-170 and 200, the window for error is very small at that speed (again, on a public road)....kiss your ***** goodbye

believe me, I've got as high a tolerance for speed as just about anyone, I LOVE it, but the FD is not particularly well suited for top speed runs, it is far too nervous, at least in near stock trim....150 is as high as I felt comfortable in mine before it just started moving around too much.....believe it or not, a modern sport bike is far more stable, the chassis integrity is vastly superior

this is one area where the Supra, with it's big *** gull wing, really shines Supras rule at high speed

 

If you have been 165 on a bike I take back what I said. To me on a bike 100 feels like 200. 165 that is some scary ****.

I have never driven an FD even close to 150 so I have no clue at how stable it is at these speeds. This is why I was asking these questions.

I know 200+ can be reached on a public road. The key is having the right road, car, and time of day.

Car: Give me a car that is stable over 200 and reaches 200 quickly. The quicker it is reached the less time that is spent at high speed. 140 itself is quick and you still have a ways to go till 200 so the quicker you can get there the better. Also the quicker you can get back down to a normal speed the better, so big brakes.

Road: Paved within the last decade. 4 lanes. Straight as an arrow for at least a mile(inbetween exits). Even the slightest turn will cause you to run out of road. Slight decline in grade.

Time: Middle of the night(not a car in sight).

It can be done.

 

Basicly I turned a public highway into a deserted runway, which can be done if the right section and time is chosen.

The movement you felt at 150 in your FD, could this have been due to your suspension and/or tires? New struts with higher rated springs and wider wheels and tires may help stability, but this is just a guess.

 

At that speed, struts aint gonna help you with ****. Its starts to become a downforce gain. There really isnt too much wind tunnel tested aftermarket aero crap, but if i was going to put something functional, id look to RE Amemiya or CWest for some aerodynamics. Somethign else that will help is tire arrangement. A slight toe-in on the front and some camber in the back can help have the flattest tire surface at high speeds. Ive been 160 mph in my FD and only let off because it started to rain. But you wont catch me at that kind of speed in my car now. Might want to do a little more research if you plan on going 200 in a car that youve never even been 150 in. I was pulling back on teh steering wheel to keep it stable and even then the car felt like it was gonna go wild on me if i fucked up. And the R1 lip doesnt add any downforce, it only adds drag because the surface its bolted to flexes. Heres my mods if it means anything...

 

Very true as always Jim.

I just think that when a car has lost all streetabilty due to straight line mods, it's not the same car anymore. I would still proudly classify your car as a RX7. Well, sort of But a Ford festiva with a tube frame, Lexan windows, no headlights, no retention of anything that was stock just to me isn't a Ford Festiva anymore.

I don't think Sawutari's (SP?) NSX is a NSX anymore either... Nor is Paisley's Supra. Back when he hit the 8's on a stock block and chassis, I was impressed. But no longer...

NASCAR is just the same. How can you call a car by name if it doesn't retain 1 single part that the car is named after? They don't even LOOK the same. Oh well...