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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 09:28 PM
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Question Downpipe+Midpipe Installed and its kicking me out @ 5000-6000 RPM

what's up guys? i just installed a megan racing down pipe and midpipe on my 95 fd, and it has a hi power titanium exhaus from hks. now the problem is that im getting this back fire everytime, a loud back fire....its just the downpipe, midpipe, and the hks exhaust, there's no cat or resonatorin between. can anybody tell me what the hell is wrong and why it is backfiring? oh yeah, i just got back from the freeway also, and on 3rd and 4th gear, when i hit around 5 and a half or 6 thousand RPM, the damn thing kicks me out like im already hitting redline. somebody please tell me what the heck is wrong?
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 09:31 PM
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its probably fuel cut. I'd put that stock cat back on if I were you..
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 09:33 PM
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I agree. If you continue like that, you won't have that problem any more... you'll have bigger problems.
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 09:37 PM
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so can i just get rid of that fuel cut? instead of putting the stock back?
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 09:39 PM
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GET A PFC!!!Your gonna blow the car up running a mid-pipe on stock ecu.
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 09:39 PM
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im guessing if u are, running stock fuel programming. The exhaust is too open without proper fuel enrichment.
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by miketurbo0214
so can i just get rid of that fuel cut? instead of putting the stock back?


yea sure, call chuck at rotaryextreme , you'll need 1300 CC secondaries and 850 CC primaries, a new fuel pump and a power FC, have fun !
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 09:45 PM
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GET A PFC!!!Your gonna blow the car up running a mid-pipe on stock ecu.
yes and no.

no you will not blow your car up with the stock ecu and a midpipe.

yes you will blow your car up from too much boost that is the result of a midpipe and the stock ecu.

if you cant get a PFC or some other ECU, get a boost controller and a boost gauge. if you cant keep your boost at 10 psi, put the stock cat back on until you can.
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by TwinTurbo_SE7EN
yes and no.

no you will not blow your car up with the stock ecu and a midpipe.

yes you will blow your car up from too much boost that is the result of a midpipe and the stock ecu.

if you cant get a PFC or some other ECU, get a boost controller and a boost gauge. if you cant keep your boost at 10 psi, put the stock cat back on until you can.

boost controller will NOT keep the car from over boosting with full exhaust. ESPECIALLY WITH winter coming, and the temps just getting colder and colder. ONLY WAY is to restrict exhaust.

The reason a boost controller wont work is because the stock wastegate is being maxed out and can no longer keep the boost at the stock level due to the extreme upgrade in airflow with no cats. you COULD port the wastegate but its a bitch, easiest thing is to just restrict the exhaust some how (high flow cat)
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 09:56 PM
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i have same setup but have greddy cb and hks rs intakes. alot of back fireing buy i dont let it get past 6grand still pulls like a mo fo but dont want to lean out(no bost guage)............pfc/defi/greddy BC plans on the way
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 10:06 PM
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thanks guys, this really opens the page up, im new to rotaries and i really appreciate your inputs...this car will be staying in the garage this winter...so a PFC, Injectors (850 primary and 1300 secondaries), high flow cat, boost controller, are some stuff that i need. oh yeah this car is daily driven and also a show car...what are your thoughts about that?
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 10:08 PM
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by miketurbo0214
thanks guys, this really opens the page up, im new to rotaries and i really appreciate your inputs...this car will be staying in the garage this winter...so a PFC, Injectors (850 primary and 1300 secondaries), high flow cat, boost controller, are some stuff that i need. oh yeah this car is daily driven and also a show car...what are your thoughts about that?

this is the only car you'll own that will be this much of a bitch. boost control is very hard to fine tune on the stock twins and wastegate
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 10:12 PM
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 10:14 PM
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I said if he cant keep it at 10 psi with a midpipe then put the stock cat back on. I was able to keep mine at 10 psi with a full exhaust on the stock ecu with a manual boost controller...in December. I didnt see where he specified he had boost CREEP and not just boost spikes. it is most likely boost creep though and will need an exhaust restriction or a ported wastegate.

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boost controller will NOT keep the car from over boosting with full exhaust. ESPECIALLY WITH winter coming, and the temps just getting colder and colder. ONLY WAY is to restrict exhaust.

The reason a boost controller wont work is because the stock wastegate is being maxed out and can no longer keep the boost at the stock level due to the extreme upgrade in airflow with no cats. you COULD port the wastegate but its a bitch, easiest thing is to just restrict the exhaust some how (high flow cat)
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 10:15 PM
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nice man heres mine



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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TwinTurbo_SE7EN
I said if he cant keep it at 10 psi with a midpipe then put the stock cat back on. I was able to keep mine at 10 psi with a full exhaust on the stock ecu with a manual boost controller...in December. I didnt see where he specified he had boost CREEP and not just boost spikes. it is most likely boost creep though and will need an exhaust restriction or a ported wastegate.


then why would he be getting fuel cut? obviously he is boost spiking or he wouldn't be posting this thread at all.. mister
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 10:26 PM
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if he is spiking, a boost controller can cure it. it is boost creep that is a wastegate problem.

nice car, BTW...both of them...I wish mine was white.
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 10:27 PM
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that's a nice FD man. and thanks for your input...now im thinking of just putting the stock pipe back on until i get the rest of the fuel, ecu and the boost controller upgrades...its off season anyway. if you have any more advice, i'd be glad to hear them...thanks again. here's another pix, its pearl white with blue pearl tints.
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 10:27 PM
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off topic...who smoked the reverse lights, etc. for you?
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by miketurbo0214
that's a nice FD man. and thanks for your input...now im thinking of just putting the stock pipe back on until i get the rest of the fuel, ecu and the boost controller upgrades...its off season anyway. if you have any more advice, i'd be glad to hear them...thanks again. here's another pix, its pearl white with blue pearl tints.

you too man, if you have any questions feel free to PM me or im always on AIM at nopistons93 so either or.
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 10:37 PM
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all the lense smoking I did on my car
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 01:45 AM
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 05:59 AM
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Read the FAQ. https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/faq-3rd-gen-other-useful-links-68640/

You are probably looking at boost creep followed by fuel cut. Just because they sell those pipes together on eBay does not mean they are a good idea.

I suggest you put the main cat back. If you really want the midpipe, you'll need to take apart the turbos and port the wastegate, and also add a boost controller and ECU.

You also need to add a boost gauge so that you can know when things like this are happening.

Dave

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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by nopistons94
this is the only car you'll own that will be this much of a bitch. boost control is very hard to fine tune on the stock twins and wastegate
Too true... I never managed to tame the boost on the twins....

Either be prepared to spend big bucks on a proper ECU and a Single conversion and all that entails, or put some restriction back into the exhaust.

And do it NOW - you're sitting on a timebomb!!!
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