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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 12:10 PM
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1QUICK1... Veteran is a much nicer way of saying old, I've discovered. I don't know how, but the people I've met from our area seem pretty nice and many of them are very smart. Lot's of graphics guys, software engineers, engineers of every other sort. All kinds of guys though. I don't know, but, since I have found work so actually difficult, that nothing really bothers me much otherwise. I find very few people I don't ultimately enjoy.

I hope we can meet up this spring. I'm going to Deal's Gap in April. Are you going? Otherwise maybe we can hook up at something in Jersey?

Fritz... Yep. The earliest Japanese collectibles are the Toyota 2000GT -- try buying one of these today for less than a Cobra -- the Mazda Sport Cosmo, and now the 240Z and FD. The 2000GT is a small, beautiful car with solid 60's straight baby 6 performance. The Cosmo has a rotary. The 240Z was a gorgeous design executed as an everyman's sports car. The FD is the most beautiful sports car of the 90's and a real leap forward in Chapman's school of "adding lightness" and resultant great handling. Despite how many people like the Supra and how "competent" it is, it has almost nothing to commend it to collectors.

My muscle car collectibles are few: 1969 Camaro Z28, 1968 Boss 302, 1963 GTO, the 426 Hemi's, early 442's, and that's about it long term. Maybe Malibu 396/454 variants, but once it was done, everybody had them and I don't think they are collectible.

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The 2000 GT is a super cool looking car but like the jaquars it's trying a little to hard to be a super cool car and for this reason the FD will even surpass it in value, I'm obviously talking straight out my *** but hey it's what I'm feelin .

The 240, the FD, your e30 m3, the 60s mustangs....etc... all have that perfect balance where everything about the cars seems to flow/gel with their own unique design characteristics and nothing looks out of place so they don't have to try to be cool, similar to Kieth Richards they simply are cool hehe
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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Karack

in my opinion though, most FD owners are snobbish which has always been a detractor to me wanting to buy one. not all mind you, but when i meet FD owners at a meet they usually could care less about my FC because it is simply older and has less blue book value, even though it would win against their FD they don't care to know what it has done.
unless someone told you not to talk to them because your fc is a lower blue book value its your own insecurity talking. i can only speak for myself but i am not particularly interested in fcs. if i did i would own one so naturally when speaking to fc owners it may be with less enthusiastic expressions.
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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Montego
unless someone told you not to talk to them because your fc is a lower blue book value its your own insecurity talking. i can only speak for myself but i am not particularly interested in fcs. if i did i would own one so naturally when speaking to fc owners it may be with less enthusiastic expressions.
perhaps that was my point, FD owners usually ignore anything else. i do look at everyone's cars including old schools for ideas and to see the detail that people put into their cars. i've had plenty of opportunity to replace the FC with an FD but i don't feel the need to start over after doing the work to make the car look and feel how i wanted it for a little more aesthetic look for more interior rattles, clunks and thumps. i did mention that not everyone is that way but i do find that moving forward each series people tend to show less interest in anything else rotary(early models), like the 8 guys who also just stick together since there is nothing newer for them to get ideas from.

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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by gmonsen
1QUICK1... Veteran is a much nicer way of saying old, I've discovered. I don't know how, but the people I've met from our area seem pretty nice and many of them are very smart. Lot's of graphics guys, software engineers, engineers of every other sort. All kinds of guys though. I don't know, but, since I have found work so actually difficult, that nothing really bothers me much otherwise. I find very few people I don't ultimately enjoy.

I hope we can meet up this spring. I'm going to Deal's Gap in April. Are you going? Otherwise maybe we can hook up at something in Jersey?


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Well i say veteran not only because you're the "elder" lol but because you're a veteran to the rx7 community as well. Or in cars in general as you own quite a vast number of great cars. I can respect that fully.

But yeah like i said, im not saying all rx7s were a-holes, just "some" of the ones i came across. And usually at a car meet, the ones i think are a-holes are also with the ones i think are cool. But those 2 groups get along so i rather just not be involved with the entire thing as a whole. I rather just do my own thing, or with another car group. I dont have any regrets nor am i sad i dont feel like attending 7 meets. Its the same thing afterall, a gathering of car people. Im just usually the only FD lol. Thats all.

I do miss the old old old 7 meets though. With the crew from new york where we met in yonkers. THAT is an amazing crew. So down to earth and cool as hell. John, dwayne, manny, khris etc. Thats what i wished for in all 7 meets for the future but i didnt see that as my years of going to meets progressed. So i stopped going. And i didnt care for them anymore. I looked for my satisfaction elsewhere and i found them.

Speaking of meets. Another FD owner and I are actually trying to set up a track meet at millville, nj sometime this spring/early summer (not when its too too hot though) with a handful of 7 owners. Cherry picked though because also like me, the other FD owner that im setting this up with, also dont like some 7 owners. lol

But we will let you know when the time approaches and ill greatly appreciate if you do attend, considering how far you are. Ill even chip in for your gas too if you do show

Just dont go heavy on the gas pedal, i dont know your MPG for your 20B
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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 01:26 PM
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I sure won't be jealous, my GF will break up with me if I ever bought one. Last time an M3 show up at the university meet here it got the least attention, and I don't think he went home with a date
Maybe that particular driver was driving like an ******* or that school basically knows that dude is an ******* lol

Or you had exotics at that meet, it would then be obvious if the M3 got the least attention.

Over here, girls drool over the new BMW's. Even the 335s. They wet their panties. They love beamers lol
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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by arghx
I don't own a BMW because I don't feel like I fit in with the crowd, or at least the E46/E92 M3 crowd. In most cases you can't say it doesn't matter just like you can't say that a girl's family doesn't affect your relationship over the long run.
on the west coast, BMW's are everywhere, they literally litter the roads.

a couple years ago i bought one (a 91 325is, white with tan, the BMW i wanted in 1991) and INSTANTLY i felt like i had joined this club, and everyone else in it was a huge A-hole....

the BMW track scene is different, we have a great bunch of guys (and GIRLS!) running spec E30

the FD i bought was a CYM, and its "replacement" is a 1958 Triumph Tr-3, and i like both cars, but the average person like the tr3 WAY more than the FD. people yell compliments at the TR all the time, ive had random people get in the Tr3 and ride a couple blocks.

the 2009 silver jetta has been a huge change too, even when its the ONLY car in the parking lot, its still hard to find.
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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Karack
perhaps that was my point, FD owners usually ignore anything else. i do look at everyone's cars including old schools for ideas and to see the detail that people put into their cars. i've had plenty of opportunity to replace the FC with an FD but i don't feel the need to start over after doing the work to make the car look and feel how i wanted it for a little more aesthetic look for more interior rattles, clunks and thumps. i did mention that not everyone is that way but i do find that moving forward each series people tend to show less interest in anything else rotary(early models), like the 8 guys who also just stick together since there is nothing newer for them to get ideas from.
yeah but that doest mean that we are snobs. truth be told i actually enjoy looking at everyone's cars at meets, but my main interest is fds since its the car i own which has my own blood sweat and tears. but you know the same thing can also be said for other non fd owners, as some have limited interest in other types of rx models other than their own.

i also have a 1971 vw karman ghia and when i go to meets my primary interest is other ghias. sure the bugs, things, buses, notchbacks are cool but i love ghias. interesting enough i found a local vw weekly meet by accident, i was driving my fd and spotted a bunch of air cooled vws in a parking lot. i stopped and chatted with them for a while. they were cool, helpful, and as expected they gave a rat's *** about my fd.

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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 03:24 PM
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that's probably why so many people aren't too much interested in some car meets, since there are various cars and interest is in a certain type of model. i like any clean well done rotary powered vehicle, some people just are interested in their own. i'll admit though that sometimes i won't pay much attention to the ratty old beat up cars that show up, some people may see my FC that way too even if it was in showroom condition but stock, it gets old after a while seeing the same thing all the time.
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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 03:36 PM
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An FC will not turn the head of a Porsche or BMW driver, not for a second...whereas many will stare down an FD, and not a few times look to pick a fight. The car elicits strong reactions in some people, I don't know if that's the F&F factor or what it is, but it's fun

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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 04:31 PM
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My Dad has been into rotary's since the late 70s. I remember he would drive me around in a super mint yellow 77 rx3 SP , he wouldn't let me eat anything inside that car specially candy..LOL. So its a no brainier that i became a rx7 hobbyists. When i purchased my first rx7 the first thing he told me was "when it comes to modifying this car you start with the engine first, Looks come last".
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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 06:08 PM
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I don't care whether other FD owners are seen as snobs or ******** or whatever random judgment people might want to make, however I wouldn't have bought one if it weren't for the fantastic knowledge-base available online (mostly here)
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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 08:34 PM
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nope i love the cars not just the group. every club or group is gonna have a few that u don't connect with.

even within my drift team i have 2 or three that i don't understand due to their blatant lack of respect for their cars all it is too them is mod it and beat on it don't ever do maintenance and if it breaks hackjob it together or sell it and get a new car. I can't bring myself to do that to any of my vehicles even my track car yeah U are gonna break thinks on a drift car but breaking them due to lack of maintenance isn't necessary
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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 09:23 PM
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Although I've been a member for a while, it has only been about 1.5 years since I've been actively posting. The type of person that owns an RX-7 does not influence me. I have been obsessed since 95 and seen plenty of wasted cars. My last neighbor had a spoiled only child, a punk highschool kid with a silver 93 FD with the red leather. He removed all of it and reinstalled the interior himself in red suede that looked almost pink. Took terrible care of the car, fart can exhaust, blue smoke, turbo dripping oil in his driveway. I still stared at it all the time and watched him drive anytime I heard it start up or pull down the street.

I am positive that I have posted questions that have been asked over and over again. I don't think that would drive anybody to quit the forum. We are all free to read or not read whatever we want. I have seen this on every forum I've been a part of and it's just a fact of life on these boards. The search function is really nice though. It is too easy to be a smart-aleck when there is not somebody standing right there. Very tempting and I regret when I have done it.

I sure wish the "old guys" that people are referring to were still here but I have learned a lot from many of you frequent posters and ancient ones. I hope and I believe that the commitment that is required to keep an FD running well will keep knowledgeable and passionate people around. The ownership experience alone (cost, complexity, reliability, quirks, etc.) is like a filter for the uncommitted.

I also agree with those that think the FD will be a classic someday. To what extent is impossible to say but it is too unique, perfect looking and pure sports car to not appreciate in value. At least they had an over 10 year model run in Japan and other markets. Parts will be available. In time I think the only owners will have to be the committed and passionate ones. All the kids will move on to the next auto fad.
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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 10:27 PM
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Yeah, I feel the community has changed even showing up to Sevenstock this year the "magic" seemed lost compared to other years with those make shift speed bumps as a marker of things to come and the waiting police. Then again not every owner is bad and there are those few enthusiast, like our cars, that are the real jewels of ownership within the community.
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Old Jan 9, 2011 | 10:56 PM
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When it comes to buying anything: I research the pros/cons of the product and disregard any strictly public personal views not based on quality of build or use of the product.

If the best tires for my car were yellow, that is what I would have.
Now if those idiots want me to get something else, then they can buy them for me.

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Old Jan 10, 2011 | 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by pyro_racer_0016
nope i love the cars not just the group. every club or group is gonna have a few that u don't connect with.

even within my drift team i have 2 or three that i don't understand due to their blatant lack of respect for their cars all it is too them is mod it and beat on it don't ever do maintenance and if it breaks hackjob it together or sell it and get a new car. I can't bring myself to do that to any of my vehicles even my track car yeah U are gonna break thinks on a drift car but breaking them due to lack of maintenance isn't necessary
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Old Jan 10, 2011 | 09:25 PM
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I live in Idaho, so I never see any other RX7's.

But it does catch a lot of attention. I don't have any badges on mine, so I constantly have people tail-gating me trying to figure out what it is.
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Old Jan 10, 2011 | 09:54 PM
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I rarely see FD's here on bay area freeways and since i'm not currently driving my FD I get a big kick out of seeing ANY rotary-powered car with a good stance blasting by me.
The more knucklehead kids send our FDs to the trash heap the more precious the few.
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ZE Power MX6
I sure won't be jealous, my GF will break up with me if I ever bought one. Last time an M3 show up at the university meet here it got the least attention, and I don't think he went home with a date
In the UK, BMW drivers have a bit of a reputation as arrogant ***** that believe they own the road. My girl would never let me get a beamer

Back to FDs....I've seen possibly 3 FD rx-7s & 1 FB in the last 3 years (outside of meets), they're pretty scarce around here.

Personally I think this forum is great, I've always found it very informative & helpful, thanks to some of the "senior" members . Which is the main reason I post here rather than on either of the UK forums.

I think we're very lucky to have professionals like Rich, Howard, banzai etc who are willing to give up their time to help members with their issues. Then you've got all the group buys & pretty much all the info you will need to build/maintain a rex, cant complain really
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 01:24 PM
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As long as you share a common interest in the rotary, what does it matter?
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 08:02 PM
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It really doesn't matter. I think what bothers some of us is the guys that buy them and end up destroying them in one way or another due to stupidity or just a lack of respect to the car. I can certainly appreciate anybody who truly loves the Rotary and really "gets" the FD, or the FC, or FB. They are all very different but in their time they were all highly regarded and Mazda did a great job with each one.
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 08:20 PM
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I own my car b/c I'm in love with it not because people around me or associate with, if you own your 7 b/c of the crowd you hang with then something isn't right.
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Old Jan 11, 2011 | 08:28 PM
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I own my car b/c I'm in love with it not because people around me or associate with, if you own your 7 b/c of the crowd you hang with then something isn't right.
Agreed, that goes for just about anything.
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Old Jan 12, 2011 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by SWAT81
I own my car b/c I'm in love with it not because people around me or associate with, if you own your 7 b/c of the crowd you hang with then something isn't right.
Exactly, or any car for that matter.

Or anything in life actually lol.
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Old Jan 12, 2011 | 08:40 AM
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Ive met some life long friends due to this car, and I have met some people that are off their rockers who own these cars. I would never take into consideration the community that comes with the car when I make my purchase. I still cant find any cars that "do it for me" like the fd, not anywhere near the price that is.

Ive been looking aweful hard at E46 M3s and 996 Porsches lately. My wife would appreciate something other than a FD for a change but I dont know if I can bring myself to pull the trigger when I think of what FD I could build these days for $20k.
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