Celeb3000

Searched first but can't find,

My car was stolen and torched last sunday, RIP.

When the claim cheque comes through i am going to be getting an RX-7 for sure as i have always wanted one.

I am pretty much set on a 93' Twin turbo for sale near me.

I have a couple questions though,


I am only interested in the new edition/models, "third gen" if i've got that right so far.

I notice in the picture threads, and in many for sale adds some with spoilers, some without. I assume it is just different models/years?

Can someone explain the different models, and the model that a 93' TT would be [has no spoiler]

Certain ones have head up lights, while others have flip up. Again model or aftermarket?

And last [please don't flame] What is FD,

Thanks very much, looking forward to being active on here when i get my 7 finally.

JDawG707

FD's.........All have stock flip up headlights, the basemodel and touring has no wing, the 93 R1 has a little/medium size spoiler, the lastest model in the US is 95.

everything else is a upgrade

PS, the R1 and R2's come with chin spoiler while touring comes with sunroof and Bose sound sytem..

Jackie

Celeb3000

Ok cool, thanks for the quick reply.

The twin turbos, make it a touring by chance? I don't think it's an r1 like you say then from how you described.

Here's the link

Rtry Luv

all FD's came from the factory with the seq. tubos

Celeb3000

ok cool,

fd = factory direct?

SLOASFK

iTrader: (5)

if that's a 93, it's either a Touring or a base.

in 1993 they had base, touring and R1:

base: basically the blank template of the car, it had spoiler as an option and came with either a 5sp manual or a 3sp automatic. They came in solit roof only

Touring: basically the same as the base, except has a standard metal sunroof, rear windshield wiper, leather interior and Bose sound system(looks like two towers poking through the hatch cover)

R1: has an added lip on the front bumper cover, dual oil coolers, "suede" seats, front strut tower brace, stiff suspension, no automatic transmission option and IIRC they had no factory sound system.

94-95 came in base, touring, PEP(Popular Equipment Package) and R2

base: same as 93
touring: same as 93
PEP: between the base and the touring, this car had leather seats, but a plastic head liner. metal sunroof or glass moonroof. base model sound system(non-bose) and no rear wiper and IIRC no automatic transmission option.

R2: same as R1 except slightly softer suspension.

Using these guidelines, you can easily tell what model car that is. From that picture you posted and your description, it has to be either a base or a touring.

FD = a piece of the VIN number(JM1FD in America, FD3S in Japan) which denotes the generation of RX-7. First gens were SA and FB(depending on year), second gens are FC and third gens are FD. It's easier to type FD than to type "Third Generation RX-7" all the time.

Celeb3000

awesome explanation 93vr, exactly what i was looking for,

thanks again all

Celeb3000

Got some info on it, wondering if any sirens should be going off. Comparing the car to others it seems average price.

136,000. It is a base [have other pics showing no sunroof]

7000km on rebuilt street ported engine and new upgraded clutch, many other mods done 7,000km ago

Mods done 7000km ago are as follows;
The engine was street ported with 3 mm apex seals, Bully clutch, walbro 255lph fuel pump, dual K&N filter intake with heat sheild, Autometer boost gauge in a-pillar, Hawk HP plus brake pads, OEM rotors machined, H&R lowering springs, and a Pivot headlight controller (sleepy eye look)
Previous mods include; 3'' down pipe, 3'' cat back exhaust, Apex-i turbo timer, Clarion head unit and 4 speakers.
Mods done this year/500km ago; brand new tires 245/45 16, Pettit ecu, OEM rad replaced.
The turbos spool like new with minimal end shaft play, and boost to a max 12.5psi. The car is making approx. 300rwhp.

Asking roughly 19,500 Canadian - so about 17,000 US.

Fair in your mind?

Hopefully test drive this week, if not next. The interior is absolutely immaculate, paint is 7-8/10, regular mazda service records, parts installed by mazda exclusive shop.

Upgrayedd

iTrader: (1)

Seems fair to me. As long as the car is in good mechanical/physical shape still, as you say it is, then it should be a good deal.

Celeb3000

Hmmm, this one was just posted in Trader today

I think it is then an r1 as described



Showroom cond, white on black leather, coil over suspension, strut tower bars, complete stereo, aluminum radiator, 3" custom Apexi N1 dual exhaust, stand alone computer, must sell, 110,000 km, $16,500. Canadian

SLOASFK

iTrader: (5)

3mm seals are going to cause idling issues on a street car from what I've heard. Replace the radiator with a Koyo or Fluidyne. I don't know how FD prices are in Canada, but a 93 like that would go for $14-15,000 USD in America. It might be over priced, unless that's what the Canadian market is like, idk. But in the USA, you would expect to pay $17,000 on a 1994...

Other than the price, it seems good. Expect to do more reliability mods though. Namely, replace the radiator, get an FMIC, replace the vac lines and replace the FPD.

As far as replacing the FPD goes, before anyone asks, I reccomend this to be replaced regularly every two-three years simply for the fact that I find it worth while to spend the extra money now rather than risk running on one that could be older and proned to failure..

we all know what happens when the FPD fails.

JConn2299

Celeb3000, you seem like a nice guy. I won't waste time on niceties and small talk. I'll be blunt. You plainly don't know enough about these cars. The engines in 3rd Generation RX-7's, especially high mileage, highly modified ones, can be ticking time bombs. The cost of replacing an engine runs in the $4,000 -$5,000 range (U.S. dollars.) If you're swayed by looks and love at first sight, in a short time you could wind up with a big repair bill and a non-running piece of automotive sculpture sitting in your driveway. There are many such stories on this forum.

The wise approach is to do your reading and research...take several days to do it. Read the FAQ, among other things. Then look at several cars to get a feel for them before making an informed purchase. If not, we can expect to see your Boo-Hoo post:

"My car was running great. I went to W.O.T. and my engine went POP! Wah happened?"

or

"I'm getting all this white smoke on start up. Do you think something's wrong with my car?"

We've seen it all .......LOTS of times.

Celeb3000

FPD sorry?

Now is a question of which to pursue, i like the additions you had listed for the R1, it just sounds like the better car. At a cheaper price, too with lower k.

GoodfellaFD3S

iTrader: (213)

Lots of great info 93vrtouring, but wanted to just jump in to say that 3mm seals won't affect the idle at all. Most likely lots of guys that get the 3mm seal installed also opt for a large streetport, that is what would affect the idle

Celeb3000

Na that's cool, like the title i'm open to the fact that i'm new to them.

But i'm no Fast and Furious moron looking to throw together a car to show off and beat on, you say to do research and i agree 100% which this is part of. Going Tuesday to grab the maintenance book on them and i've been spending roughly 2-3hrs on the site here, and minimal on others.

You have to start somewhere right.

Anything else to get more familiar?

SLOASFK

iTrader: (5)

Thanks for clearing that up, Rich. I haven't driven a rotary with 3mm seals, I've only read others opinions on them.

Celeb, FPD stands for Feul Pulsation Damper. It is a device on your feul rail.

I'm having a hard time coming up with an easy way to explain the FPD, but basically it does what the name says, when feul is sent from your feul pump, it's sent in bursts. the FPD regulates the rate at which feul is allowed in to the feul rail and allows for a steady constant stream of feul to the injectors.

FPDs have a tendancy to break abruptly, when they do it often results in an engine fire, which is why I highly reccomend replacing them regularly, though some might disagree. I am also of the opinion that you carry at least one, prefferably two, fire extinguishers in your FD. a $40 investment that could save your car.



Yes, everyone starts somewhere. I read the forum for two years before I even registered.

I reccomend everyone starts here:
https://www.rx7club.com/3rd-generation-specific-1993-2002-16/faq-3rd-gen-other-useful-links-68640/

Celeb3000

"I'm having a hard time coming up with an easy way to explain the FPD, but basically it does what the name says, when feul is sent from your feul pump, it's sent in bursts. the FPD regulates the rate at which feul is allowed in to the feul rail and allows for a steady constant stream of feul to the injectors."

Na, i understand completely. Good expl.



"Yes, everyone starts somewhere. I read the forum for two years before I even registered."

NOOOO i cant wait that long lol.



tx for the link.

Celeb3000

damn, wish i had found that before. Well, i know what i'm doing for my holiday monday, time to get the reading glasses

JConn2299

Good for you. That's the right attitude. After all, I've got nothing to lose here. You're the one who could wind up with an unexpected $5,000 engine replacement bill. That could sour your enthusiasm for your newly purchased car.

I'd give consideration to engine longevity. Everything else about this car is within the realm of reason. It's the engine that can suddenly take you by surprise and cost you big bucks (or Canadian dollars.) So study up on the engine and its cooling system. And when shopping for cars like this, each one you see and drive will teach you something new about them.....if only what to avoid, or what can go wrong, or what to look for in the next one. You may wind up going back to that first car, but your decision will be more informed.

Good luck. Let us know how it turns out.

JConn2299

Suggested reading:


http://www.rx7.voodoobox.net/infofaq.../bguide3g.html


http://robrobinette.com/


http://www.speednation.com/mystery.htm

(Don't forget to click at bottom of each page at this site for the next page.)

Celeb3000

Crap, i hope that post didn't sound like i was being a smart ***, i wasn't at all. I appreciate the realistic responce you gave. Kicks me off the high horse, my other car was a Stealth RT TT, it's almost deja vu, with people telling me i wouldn't be able to keep it on the road and that the engine is impossible to do anything with. I'm just cursed with the cars i like . I did however learn the Stealth and kept her prestine both visual and performance.

If you care to see at all this is her prior to the theft and burn.





It doesn't show my intake setup but meh. Intake was a dual k+n, with a camero MAF and E-MAFT so i could make use of the stock sensor cabling with Apexi bov. Other mods incl, HKS TT Catback, Hi flow cat, custom dp, walbro fp. Tried to keep as stock lookin as possible

JConn2299

No, you didn't sound like a smart *** at all. But your post did show that you have a lot to learn about the particulars of these cars. The trouble with this engine is that to do a rebuild you have to take the engine out of the car. And the need for a rebuild can come suddenly without warning.

Your Stealth looks very nice. About a year ago, a friend offered to sell me his Mitsu equivalent, and I was very tempted. But both of us have too many cars, and I had to turn it down. I liked the car very much though and sometimes regret not taking the plunge.

You'll find the 3rd Gen RX-7 is a different drive. One of the main things is that it's so much lighter. It makes it so much more tossable. Compared to the Stealth, it'll change direction so much more quickly and easily. On the downside, IMO, the RX-7 isn't nearly as comfortable in day to day driving. And the RX-7 will feel more fragile than your Stealth. But with the RX-7 you're getting a real sportscar with all that entails. The Stealth is more of what is traditionally thought of as a GT car. I think you'll find the RX-7 the more exciting driving experience. If you get one, I'd be interested to hear you compare the two cars.

Celeb3000

Ya, i'd do a write up for sure, well enough trolling of the forum til' tommorow lol.

Roadchill

Except your credibility when your fellow drivers find out how you waste your time trolling on Google groups: http://tinyurl.com/ynabx7

Over and outed.