GoRacer

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Well it could but unfortunately they have no intentions of selling it in kit form. As many already know Mazda has a full hydrogen RX8 in Norway but there is "NO" way the US would ever allow free Hydrogen stations throughout the country. We know people in office blow big oil and bend over for banks. Anyhow, it uses a Honda/Acura TL engine and hydrogen is produced by water (has arefill tank), so there is no fill station needed.

I really hope somehow this gets to Mazda headquarters! I don't want them to infringe patents but surely if they already produced a Hydrogen Rotary engine they could create their own hybrid hydrogen powerplant within the bonnet.

Would the RX-9 sell if it got 40mpg and was 70% cleaner emissions? Surveys says: Yes

The Scorpion » Vydrotech

Mps_hell

Not to sound like a dbag but Mazda has the renesis runing the stuff for years, with minamal mods. They even lease them in japan, no need to put honda crap under the hood
MAZDA: Hydrogen Vehicles | Environmental Technology
http://www.http://www.hydrogencarsno...e-hydrogen.htm

Customisbetter

That video has to be a joke.

GoRacer

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Sorry, that reply made no sense to the subject matter. If you read my thread it refers to a hybrid hydrogen engine. Nowhere do I mention to replace the rotary with a Honda engine.

Moreover, the RX-8 hyrogen model requires Hyrogen fill sations as I stated. So NO, Mazda has "NOT" been using a Hybrid Hydrogen for years.

bufferovrflo

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In theory this seems like a great idea; but whom will step to the plate and adopt this?

That link about the Renesis is a hybrid hydrogen too:

Whitetiger777

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One think you should know about hydrogen power, is that it's pointless, a null if you will. The amount of energy it takes to separate the Hydrogen from the Oxygen is same energy you get when they come back together. There is no energy gain. So, if there is no energy gain whats the point? Yes you can run an engine on it, whether it be an internal combustion engine (which energy is lost in the form of heat making hydrogen power a loss in energy), or the idea of using a membrane to separate off the electron from the atom, passing the free electron through a wire (the definition of electricity) then combining it at the end to make water. The same is true, you might as well put a coal burning generator in your car because it's the same thing with less steps.

Whitetiger777

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If we really want an alternative fuel source we should look at ethanol made from corn. The government actually subsidizes corn farmers to destroy a portion of their crop every year to keep an excess of corn from hitting the market and dropping the value of corn. If we used that excess corn and made fuel from it then we have something to go on. Brazil has successfully converted a lot of their automotive over to this type of fuel already. It's cheaper and way way better for the environment.

Mps_hell

Thank you for taking the time to read it. The other car on that page is also 3 way, if only I could read.....

GoRacer

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I don't think it's pointless. The RX8 in Norway requires Hydrogen filling stations which will never happen in the uS unless big oil buy the patents to Hydrogen power like they bought the patents to the batteries used in the current hybrids.

Besides the fact that you can get a bottle of water anywhere for the hybrid hydrogen, there are two things that killed the rotary. Well originally it was price in a f'd up economy but with that aside 1. Smog, 2. MPG. Hence, if the same improvements can be done to A RX-9, 40+ MPG and 70% cleaner emissions they could easily sell the rotary again even in this market. The only thing left is torque which they could fix with a supercharger or a 3-rotor.

GoRacer

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I can only view one of your links but as I stated before we are both talking about two different things. There is no electric hybrid power in the Scorpion. The hybrid in the Scorpion is the ability to convert water in to hydrogen in the engine bay with a glass of water.

So my original topic point using the Scorpion:

• RX-9 with an extra 100hp and stillbe 70% cleaner emissions
• RX-9 with double the MPG (from 20 to 40)

If I could have purchased a Scorpion Hydrogen kit I could have registered my RX-7 as experimental with any sized turbo I wanted.

GoRacer

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RX8 Hydrogen
200hp NA
Requires Hydrogen tank
Requires Hydrogen fill station

Scorpion Hydrogen
600hp (Ronn Motors modified Acura TL twin turbo)
Requires a bottle of water
No Hydrogen tank
No Hydrogen fill station
No electric hybrid motor
200MPH
40MPG
70% less emission then standard Acura TL engine.

So if Mazda can reproduce something similar before big oil purchases Vydrotech and owns their Hydrogen technology patents, the RX-9 will be on the cover of Car and Driver again.