3rd Generation Specific (1993-2002) 1993-2002 Discussion including performance modifications and Technical Support Sections.
Sponsored by:

Cigar Circuit wont turn off

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-17-09, 03:22 AM
  #1  
Mazzei Formula

Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
Monsterbox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Birmingham, Al
Posts: 3,020
Received 143 Likes on 69 Posts
Cigar Circuit wont turn off

When I take key out, cigar ciruit keeps running. My boost controller and cigar lighter are on the circuit. I unwired my boost controller now...but the cigar lighter can still be used if the car is off.

For some reason, its not turning off with the key.

Also, 2 weeks ago I was messing with the stereo and it stopped working completely.....I disconnected the "switched" wire from the stereo and wired it directly to the battery and then it started working again. So, radio would not turn on when connected to cigar circuit, even though the rest of the circuit was good.


Anyways, the main issue is why is this thing not turing off? What should I look too? The ignition switch? Whats another switched source on the fuse box I can wire my boost controller too for the time being...if I can find another source I suppose it doesn't matter. Weird however.
Old 12-17-09, 05:04 AM
  #2  
White chicks > *

iTrader: (33)
 
1QWIK7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Secaucus, New Jersey
Posts: 13,147
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
If the cigg lighter can still be used when car is off (like key OUT of ign???), then i would check the ign wires. Im not totally sure though but i know that shouldnt work without the key.
Old 12-17-09, 12:27 PM
  #3  
Mazzei Formula

Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
Monsterbox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Birmingham, Al
Posts: 3,020
Received 143 Likes on 69 Posts
Originally Posted by 1QWIK7
If the cigg lighter can still be used when car is off (like key OUT of ign???), then i would check the ign wires. Im not totally sure though but i know that shouldnt work without the key.
i know, it makes no sense at all....i turn the key to off but the cig circuit won't switch off, so it has to be my ignition switch?

are there any other switched sources I can draw power from...? like the meter fuse or something?
Old 12-17-09, 04:03 PM
  #4  
White chicks > *

iTrader: (33)
 
1QWIK7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Secaucus, New Jersey
Posts: 13,147
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by Monsterbox
i know, it makes no sense at all....i turn the key to off but the cig circuit won't switch off, so it has to be my ignition switch?

are there any other switched sources I can draw power from...? like the meter fuse or something?
I wired my blitz power meter to my radio ACC/12V source. That way it gets 12V when key is in ACC. And since my meter doesnt have an on/off feature, it stays on when the key is in and turns off when the key is out.

But i would really find out why your current source is screwy. That could lead to a future bigger electrical problem.

I thank god (knock on wood) my FD doesnt have any of those notorious electrical problems.
Old 12-17-09, 05:41 PM
  #5  
Mazzei Formula

Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
Monsterbox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Birmingham, Al
Posts: 3,020
Received 143 Likes on 69 Posts
Originally Posted by 1QWIK7
I wired my blitz power meter to my radio ACC/12V source. That way it gets 12V when key is in ACC. And since my meter doesnt have an on/off feature, it stays on when the key is in and turns off when the key is out.

But i would really find out why your current source is screwy. That could lead to a future bigger electrical problem.

I thank god (knock on wood) my FD doesnt have any of those notorious electrical problems.
thats the same circuit....radio and cigar lighter.

Today, I went out the cigar lighter had disengaged...I couldn't get it to light until I turned the key. WTF!! It has a mind of its own now.

A few days ago my room fuse blew....I put it back in an all is good. Is there a correlation between the room fuse and the cigar?
Old 12-17-09, 05:47 PM
  #6  
White chicks > *

iTrader: (33)
 
1QWIK7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Secaucus, New Jersey
Posts: 13,147
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by Monsterbox
thats the same circuit....radio and cigar lighter.

Today, I went out the cigar lighter had disengaged...I couldn't get it to light until I turned the key. WTF!! It has a mind of its own now.

A few days ago my room fuse blew....I put it back in an all is good. Is there a correlation between the room fuse and the cigar?
Wait you couldnt get the cigg lighter to light until you have the key in ON?

Its supposed to do that.

If the cigg lighter can light with NO key in the IGN, you have a problem.
Old 12-17-09, 11:06 PM
  #7  
RAWR!!!!!!!!

iTrader: (1)
 
cpnneeda's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: RR, NC
Posts: 440
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Monsterbox
thats the same circuit....radio and cigar lighter.

Today, I went out the cigar lighter had disengaged...I couldn't get it to light until I turned the key. WTF!! It has a mind of its own now.

A few days ago my room fuse blew....I put it back in an all is good. Is there a correlation between the room fuse and the cigar?

The room fuse is your 12volt constant.

And your first sentence is only correct if you DO NOT have the Bose Stereo. In which case it uses, a Radio fuse and Cigar fuse.

I agree with 1QWIK7. Key off, everything should be dead. Key on, you should have power.
Old 12-18-09, 01:42 AM
  #8  
Mazzei Formula

Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
Monsterbox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Birmingham, Al
Posts: 3,020
Received 143 Likes on 69 Posts
ok, currently.

Key off, cigar fuse works...

key on, cigar fuse works...

no difference...

Then randomly, this morning, it began to work like normal, but now its screwed up again.



And...what does the room fuse affect besides the map lights? The car was driving/acting completely normal. I replaced the fuse and it hasn't blown yet.


I have the bose wiring, I wired up my after market radio to the bose harness. I ended up having to wire it to the constant 12v on that harness because the switched wire stopped working.
Old 12-18-09, 04:38 AM
  #9  
White chicks > *

iTrader: (33)
 
1QWIK7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Secaucus, New Jersey
Posts: 13,147
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by Monsterbox
ok, currently.

Key off, cigar fuse works...

key on, cigar fuse works...

no difference...

Then randomly, this morning, it began to work like normal, but now its screwed up again.



And...what does the room fuse affect besides the map lights? The car was driving/acting completely normal. I replaced the fuse and it hasn't blown yet.


I have the bose wiring, I wired up my after market radio to the bose harness. I ended up having to wire it to the constant 12v on that harness because the switched wire stopped working.

Maybe thats the problem?? I know on my radio, theres a 12V constant and an ACC wire. Which i believe is yellow. Maybe, as you said, the bose wiring that stopped working, is the potential cause for your other problem.
Old 12-18-09, 05:31 AM
  #10  
RAWR!!!!!!!!

iTrader: (1)
 
cpnneeda's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: RR, NC
Posts: 440
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by 1QWIK7
Maybe thats the problem?? I know on my radio, theres a 12V constant and an ACC wire. Which i believe is yellow. Maybe, as you said, the bose wiring that stopped working, is the potential cause for your other problem.

The switched wire is the Cigar fuse wire. According to the FSM, that wire should be Blue with a Black Stripe. The 12 volt constant, comes from the Room Fuse, and should be a Blue wire with a Red stripe. The Audio fuse actually is used to power the relay in the front Relay box, under the hood. It turns on all the speakers, and the bose wave thing in the back.

The room fuse gives power to all the inside lights, the instrument cluster and lights, & cpu 1 &2.

The cigar feeds, the radio, a/c relay, & outside mirror switch.
Old 12-18-09, 12:41 PM
  #11  
Mazzei Formula

Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
Monsterbox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Birmingham, Al
Posts: 3,020
Received 143 Likes on 69 Posts
wow, well why in the world did my gauge cluster, lights, and engine run flawlessly with a completely blown room fuse? The only problem with the blown room fuse was the overhead lights
Old 12-19-09, 10:36 AM
  #12  
RAWR!!!!!!!!

iTrader: (1)
 
cpnneeda's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: RR, NC
Posts: 440
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Like I said, the Room fuse is a 12v constant. You still have a 15a Meter fuse for the Gauges. The engine will run flawlessly, bc CPU 1 & 2 are in the foot well of the DRIVERS side of the car, and control things like the blinkers, and certain relays. The HEADlights will work fine. They use two fuses (Head and Retractor) both in the main fuse box.
Old 12-19-09, 01:39 PM
  #13  
Mazzei Formula

Thread Starter
iTrader: (6)
 
Monsterbox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Birmingham, Al
Posts: 3,020
Received 143 Likes on 69 Posts
hmm so, when I switched over the radio to the 12v constant (bose harness) this must have fed off of the 12v constant lead from the Room Fuse Circuit. I must have blown the fuse in the process of wiring from not disconnecting the battery first.

So, that must mean that my switched cigar circuit problem should be unrelated. I must just have worn out ignition switch that won't engage/disengage the connection. So, I guess Ill just rewire my boost controller to another circuit on the fuse box like wipers or defrost or something else that only runs with the car on.
Old 12-20-09, 06:55 PM
  #14  
RAWR!!!!!!!!

iTrader: (1)
 
cpnneeda's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: RR, NC
Posts: 440
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Monsterbox
hmm so, when I switched over the radio to the 12v constant (bose harness) this must have fed off of the 12v constant lead from the Room Fuse Circuit. I must have blown the fuse in the process of wiring from not disconnecting the battery first.

So, that must mean that my switched cigar circuit problem should be unrelated. I must just have worn out ignition switch that won't engage/disengage the connection. So, I guess Ill just rewire my boost controller to another circuit on the fuse box like wipers or defrost or something else that only runs with the car on.
Great idea, only problem is that they are ALL going to run through the Ignition circuit. Anything that is "switched" on when you turn the key is on the ignition circuit. You may need to address the ignition problem first. When I say ignition, you know I mean the key inside the car, and not the coils and spark plugs right?
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Jeff20B
1st Generation Specific (1979-1985)
73
09-16-18 07:16 PM
RyanFox
New Member RX-7 Technical
7
09-18-15 09:09 PM



Quick Reply: Cigar Circuit wont turn off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:33 PM.