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Old 04-10-10, 06:09 PM
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Car starts well but stalls after a minute

Hi,

When the car is cold, I need to hold the gas pedal pushed to keep it alive while it's started and it runs without turbos. If I push the idle highly at like 5k-6k RPM, the turbos goes on and the car runs fine.

I think it could be because of my belt (alternator), I spilled hot Prestone on it and now it's greasy.

I just changed the battery 4 days ago...

Am I right?
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I forgot to mention that when it stalls, I have a LOT of difficulty restarting it.
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low compression maybe.
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Originally Posted by staticguitar313
low compression maybe.
Engine rebuilt 5,000 kms ago.
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Just research and read, your Alt belt has no relation to your turbos, and they are spinning long before 6k rpms and I doubt are in any way possibly related to what issues you are seeing.

Change your spark plugs and do the deflood procedure while they are out.
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Ok now I changed the spark plugs and the wires and it does it again.

I think it is each time it had rain or if I go wash it. But I can't figure what is the problem!

When it sees water and the car becomes cool, it stalls after a minute.

What can cause my car to stall?
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I also did a comp. test and both rotors are absolutely perfect!
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Wait so when the car is cold it wants to stall but when warmed up its fine??

Do you smell fuel in the engine bay?
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Originally Posted by 1QWIK7
Wait so when the car is cold it wants to stall but when warmed up its fine??

Do you smell fuel in the engine bay?
No I don't smell fuel in the engine bay. Exactly, when the car is cold it wants to stall (and it stalls if I remove my foot from the throttle pedal). If I do a couple of 1k-7k RPM "something goes on" and the car runs #1. But it takes some minutes.

It is no good to do 7k RPM when it's cold, I hate it but I have to do it.

We think it is maybe the grounds! Are we right?
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Check the resistance of the water thermo sensor against the values in the manual for various temperatures. The ECU richens or leans the mixture based on the signal from the sensor. An improper resistance value from that sensor would cause the engine to run too rich or too lean. An open circuit in the wire from the sensor to the ECU would cause the ECU to see a high resistance, and thus run the mixture too rich.
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Originally Posted by calpatriot
Check the resistance of the water thermo sensor against the values in the manual for various temperatures. The ECU richens or leans the mixture based on the signal from the sensor. An improper resistance value from that sensor would cause the engine to run too rich or too lean. An open circuit in the wire from the sensor to the ECU would cause the ECU to see a high resistance, and thus run the mixture too rich.
I needed to bypass the sensor because it was "beeping" everytime. But the reading on the stock gauge on the cluster works, but the beeper is always off.

I think we might have something there!
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you didn't even list any modifications the car might have.

if you think this is related to a belt, you are in over your head and need to take this to a shop.
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Great, so you disabled your low coolant alarm buzzer. Genius.
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my car ran terrible before I disabled the seatbelts. Now it will haul major ***.
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Do you guys know the procedure for testing my water thermo sensor/the specs of it?
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Do you have a power fc with commander? If so go into 'etc' and 'sensor/sw check' and see if the water temp sensor voltage is highlighted. this means it's out of spec.

Why not just bring your FD to a competent rotary shop? It's pretty obvious you shouldn't be messing with the car.... no offense.
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Originally Posted by GoodfellaFD3S
Do you have a power fc with commander? If so go into 'etc' and 'sensor/sw check' and see if the water temp sensor voltage is highlighted. this means it's out of spec.

Why not just bring your FD to a competent rotary shop? It's pretty obvious you shouldn't be messing with the car.... no offense.
I ask a lot of questions because I don't want to do anything wrong. I'm very conservative in my repairs. I bet on reliability.

There's no rotary shop where I am. The nearest FD is at 150 kms.


I got a Power FC but I don't have a commander (useless I know). I'll be getting the Datalogit today or in a few days, I ordered it 2 weeks ago. I can't wait to see what's wrong, I'd really need a FAQ for Datalogit (I'll search, like everytime ).

But thanks! I'll wait for my Datalogit instead of testing the sensor manually.
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Received the Datalogit, we looked into it a lot.

All of my sensor readings are okay ( I knew it, my stock water temp reading on my cluster is right ), but if I unplug a bypass a made, coolant buzzer will stay on. I'm sure this is the famous cold start issue I have. But why should I change my water thermo sensor if my reading is okay...? I ain't sure I understand...

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man you are confused, sensor you read in the datalogit is not the same as the one in the cluster, different sensor on the car. The bypass i guess you made with the buzzer is the water LEVEL, whch is a black sensor in front fo the thermostat housing. Nothing to do with temperature.

Why did you make a bypass? Do you have any clue why you did that?
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Originally Posted by puma
man you are confused, sensor you read in the datalogit is not the same as the one in the cluster, different sensor on the car. The bypass i guess you made with the buzzer is the water LEVEL, whch is a black sensor in front fo the thermostat housing. Nothing to do with temperature.

Why did you make a bypass? Do you have any clue why you did that?
Hehe I must admit it's a very bad idea, it was a temporary fix.

Thanks a lot puma, I already had PMs for water thermo sensor for sale. I buy it instantly.
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Log the problematic startup with the DL and post the log
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I tried to change the water thermo sensor, without success. I'll try to post the log as soon as I find how!
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