View Poll Results: Blown rebuilds. Who's fault? - Part 2
Pettit - My fault
1
3.33%
Pettit - Their fault
2
6.67%
PFS - My fault
1
3.33%
PFS - Their fault
0
0%
Pineapples - My fault
2
6.67%
Pineapples - Their fault
16
53.33%
RP - My fault
1
3.33%
RP - Their fault
0
0%
SR Motorsports - My fault
0
0%
SR Motorsports - Their fault
1
3.33%
Tri-Point - My fault
0
0%
Tri-Point - Their fault
6
20.00%
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Blown rebuilds. Who's fault? - Part 2
04-10-04, 11:48 PM
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This is not a fair Poll to any of the builders above.
For anyone that votes, you can't verify if in fact, they even had an engine built by any of the above.
You can be voting, just based on pure hear say and is not fair or even representative of the truth.
If you are counting on the "Honor System", did you forget this is the internet?
Sorry to knock on this Poll, but is worthless.
Don't mean to start a war.
Peace
For anyone that votes, you can't verify if in fact, they even had an engine built by any of the above.
You can be voting, just based on pure hear say and is not fair or even representative of the truth.
If you are counting on the "Honor System", did you forget this is the internet?
Sorry to knock on this Poll, but is worthless.
Don't mean to start a war.
Peace
04-11-04, 12:28 AM
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Originally posted by Radical Rotary Avantgard
This is not a fair Poll to any of the builders above.
For anyone that votes, you can't verify if in fact, they even had an engine built by any of the above.
You can be voting, just based on pure hear say and is not fair or even representative of the truth.
If you are counting on the "Honor System", did you forget this is the internet?
Sorry to knock on this Poll, but is worthless.
Don't mean to start a war.
Peace
This is not a fair Poll to any of the builders above.
For anyone that votes, you can't verify if in fact, they even had an engine built by any of the above.
You can be voting, just based on pure hear say and is not fair or even representative of the truth.
If you are counting on the "Honor System", did you forget this is the internet?
Sorry to knock on this Poll, but is worthless.
Don't mean to start a war.
Peace
Besides, I trust my RX comrades
04-11-04, 11:21 PM
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Originally posted by Flybye
Besides, I trust my RX comrades
Besides, I trust my RX comrades
04-12-04, 10:42 AM
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built my own engine
the other issue is, most engine builders do not admit their own fault, they try to point the finger to their parts supplier, the guy they outsource machine work to, etc.
the best way to go, is by doing it yourself
the best way to go, is by doing it yourself
04-12-04, 06:21 PM
#7
I understand that this poll is to simply find out if users have had a problem with there engine, but wouldnt a poll be a bit bias towards shops that put out a larger volume?
I think you should have a column that asks are you completely satisfied with your purchase from a particular shop as well, to show that not everybody here blows engines as frequently as other people that just go from shop to shop saying a particular shops engines suck, and the next shops engines sucks and so on.
Just a point of concern for those that will read the polls in the future.
I think you should have a column that asks are you completely satisfied with your purchase from a particular shop as well, to show that not everybody here blows engines as frequently as other people that just go from shop to shop saying a particular shops engines suck, and the next shops engines sucks and so on.
Just a point of concern for those that will read the polls in the future.
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04-12-04, 07:32 PM
#8
No it's not Turbo'd
You guys got a warrenty ! 
They said "You want pot" (port), "No Wallenty fol you !"
Seriously though, blowing a motor comes down to physics, and since you're in controll of the pedal, you're at fault. And if it was build poorly, you're also at fault since you picked the shop. So you want to rephrase the question ?? To: Was the shop held liable for damages, due to poor workmanship... !?
<-- Smartass wanna-be Lawyer...
Sincerely,
DCrosby ESQ.
They said "You want pot" (port), "No Wallenty fol you !"
Seriously though, blowing a motor comes down to physics, and since you're in controll of the pedal, you're at fault. And if it was build poorly, you're also at fault since you picked the shop. So you want to rephrase the question ?? To: Was the shop held liable for damages, due to poor workmanship... !?
<-- Smartass wanna-be Lawyer...
Sincerely,
DCrosby ESQ.
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04-13-04, 06:13 PM
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What if your "tuner" blows it while trying to tune an engine with 7K on it?
Lets do a new poll.
If your tuner blows a known perfectly good engine is it his fault?
Lets do a new poll.
If your tuner blows a known perfectly good engine is it his fault?
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04-13-04, 07:18 PM
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No it's not Turbo'd
Yes, but it's your fault you took it to a bad tuner...
All tuners I know have you sign a waiver, telling you that it's not their fault if teh engine gives out.. and if it's truely their fault, then you should make sure you don't refer anybody to him... people who screw up Throusands of $$'s shouldn't work on engines... regardless of if the injectors stuck, or whatever... in the end if he has too many bad marks against him he should get into another line of work... with tuning it's all about reputation, and people with good reps, should work, and get paid...
I know this is not a popular point of view, but in the end, nobody held a gun to your head and said "THIS Guy is going to do the work, kapish !?" Therefore, anything you do, or take it to someone, you were trying to save a buck by going cheap or whatever, and you got screwed, it's your Fault !
The best you can do is complain, fight, take him to court, but esentially, it was your choice.... this puts the blame on you.
Live, learn and move on...
All tuners I know have you sign a waiver, telling you that it's not their fault if teh engine gives out.. and if it's truely their fault, then you should make sure you don't refer anybody to him... people who screw up Throusands of $$'s shouldn't work on engines... regardless of if the injectors stuck, or whatever... in the end if he has too many bad marks against him he should get into another line of work... with tuning it's all about reputation, and people with good reps, should work, and get paid...
I know this is not a popular point of view, but in the end, nobody held a gun to your head and said "THIS Guy is going to do the work, kapish !?" Therefore, anything you do, or take it to someone, you were trying to save a buck by going cheap or whatever, and you got screwed, it's your Fault !
The best you can do is complain, fight, take him to court, but esentially, it was your choice.... this puts the blame on you.
Live, learn and move on...
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04-14-04, 12:57 PM
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Who said I tried to save a buck? He led me to believe he was one of the best.
If you hire a well known electrition to do some work and he burns down your house, is it your fault for choosing a bad electrition?
If you hire a well known electrition to do some work and he burns down your house, is it your fault for choosing a bad electrition?
Originally posted by DCrosby
Yes, but it's your fault you took it to a bad tuner...
All tuners I know have you sign a waiver, telling you that it's not their fault if teh engine gives out.. and if it's truely their fault, then you should make sure you don't refer anybody to him... people who screw up Throusands of $$'s shouldn't work on engines... regardless of if the injectors stuck, or whatever... in the end if he has too many bad marks against him he should get into another line of work... with tuning it's all about reputation, and people with good reps, should work, and get paid...
I know this is not a popular point of view, but in the end, nobody held a gun to your head and said "THIS Guy is going to do the work, kapish !?" Therefore, anything you do, or take it to someone, you were trying to save a buck by going cheap or whatever, and you got screwed, it's your Fault !
The best you can do is complain, fight, take him to court, but esentially, it was your choice.... this puts the blame on you.
Live, learn and move on...
Yes, but it's your fault you took it to a bad tuner...
All tuners I know have you sign a waiver, telling you that it's not their fault if teh engine gives out.. and if it's truely their fault, then you should make sure you don't refer anybody to him... people who screw up Throusands of $$'s shouldn't work on engines... regardless of if the injectors stuck, or whatever... in the end if he has too many bad marks against him he should get into another line of work... with tuning it's all about reputation, and people with good reps, should work, and get paid...
I know this is not a popular point of view, but in the end, nobody held a gun to your head and said "THIS Guy is going to do the work, kapish !?" Therefore, anything you do, or take it to someone, you were trying to save a buck by going cheap or whatever, and you got screwed, it's your Fault !
The best you can do is complain, fight, take him to court, but esentially, it was your choice.... this puts the blame on you.
Live, learn and move on...
04-14-04, 05:23 PM
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If you can't do it yourself, take it to a shop that can do the engine rebuilt, reinstall it, and tune it for you. If anything happens, it's his fault. That way your engine builder can't blame it on your installation shop and your installation shop can't blame it on the engine builder. He only has himself to blame. This is the only way to get your a$$ covered. Quality varies too much even from the same shop.
The problem with rotary engine rebuild is that too many parts are reused. Some shops are just too busy to check the specs or too cheap to replace them with new parts.
Chuck Huang
The problem with rotary engine rebuild is that too many parts are reused. Some shops are just too busy to check the specs or too cheap to replace them with new parts.
Chuck Huang
04-18-04, 11:26 AM
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you need to add rotary reliability and racing to this list as well...and rotary power...and xs engineering.
as far as rotary reliability and racing...first one was my fault (racing)....the most recent motor was their fault (shitty side seal tolerances and they let my car go from their shop after break in with only 6 compression on both rotors)
as far as rotary reliability and racing...first one was my fault (racing)....the most recent motor was their fault (shitty side seal tolerances and they let my car go from their shop after break in with only 6 compression on both rotors)
04-20-04, 06:20 AM
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Originally posted by artguy
ps...we could use a tuner thread just like this one too.
whatta ya think flybye?
j
ps...we could use a tuner thread just like this one too.
whatta ya think flybye?
j
Longegevity of an engine from a specific tuner is a good one, too. Although it would be hard to gauge since everone drives differently under different conditions and everyone uses different fuels!
04-26-04, 06:40 PM
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No it's not Turbo'd
Originally posted by radkins
Who said I tried to save a buck? He led me to believe he was one of the best.
If you hire a well known electrition to do some work and he burns down your house, is it your fault for choosing a bad electrition?
Who said I tried to save a buck? He led me to believe he was one of the best.
If you hire a well known electrition to do some work and he burns down your house, is it your fault for choosing a bad electrition?
Since in automotive mechanics, it's very difficult to tell if it was your lead foot or his poor workmanship or the part was at fault... It's easier to blame him (mechanic) since the part company will replace the part not what destruction it will cause, and you don't want to blame yourself, since you're the one who wants retribution.
What I'm saying is you're the one who makes the decisions, to go there, to get that part, and ultimately I chalk it up as the price of admission, there is a reason you find so many RX-7's with blown this or busted that, people think 10-20K is the price, they're dead wrong... the actual price of ownership is definitely more, how much more is up to your own ambitions....
And I'm not saying don't go after someone, especially if you can prove bad craftsmanship, I just think a lot of people here have busted engines because of their neglect, and that should be taken into consideration, plus way to many people don't take responsibility for their own actions...
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04-29-04, 10:57 PM
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why are these two threads sticky?
like others have said, think it's really a disservice. if you've had a problem then you can post a thread yourself. if you've had a good experience, you can also post a thread about that.
like others have said, think it's really a disservice. if you've had a problem then you can post a thread yourself. if you've had a good experience, you can also post a thread about that.
05-30-04, 10:14 PM
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Why not through the all mighty "Hayes Rotary" in the list? Or have they gone out of business
Most of the time if its the engine builders fualt, 95% of the time the failures should show within 1000 miles break-in. Also if you blow a motor and you honestly think its the builders fualt, take it to another builder and have them check it out, and let them show you what cause the engine to fail(good engine builders will be able to do this). If it was the last builders fault then im sure you wouldn't want the working on it agian would you, I hope not.
I had a engine failure once, took it back to builder, he pulled it apart and admitted 100% that it was his fault. I got the engine back and so far it has 10-11k miles on it with know problems. Also that problem ended the engine with 550 miles on it.
Most of the time its a "TUFF ****" situation.
Most of the time if its the engine builders fualt, 95% of the time the failures should show within 1000 miles break-in. Also if you blow a motor and you honestly think its the builders fualt, take it to another builder and have them check it out, and let them show you what cause the engine to fail(good engine builders will be able to do this). If it was the last builders fault then im sure you wouldn't want the working on it agian would you, I hope not.
I had a engine failure once, took it back to builder, he pulled it apart and admitted 100% that it was his fault. I got the engine back and so far it has 10-11k miles on it with know problems. Also that problem ended the engine with 550 miles on it.
Most of the time its a "TUFF ****" situation.
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