3rd Generation Specific (1993-2002) 1993-2002 Discussion including performance modifications and Technical Support Sections.
Sponsored by:

blown coolant seal....*pics*

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 17, 2005 | 10:54 AM
  #1  
charlies7's Avatar
Thread Starter
3rd rotors a charm
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 3,331
Likes: 1
From: NW of windy city
blown coolant seal....*pics*

Recently i had my engine rebuilt and upon breakdown we noticed that my coolant seal on my front housing had completrly failed. there was a little drop in compression but not bad

My symptoms:
excessive white smoke upon startup
Sound like a running facuet on my passenger side firewall
drop in idle when the car was warm
also the engine was ver weak.

here are some pics and they can hopefully help someone daignose there problem.



Reply
Old Jun 17, 2005 | 10:59 AM
  #2  
dgeesaman's Avatar
Moderator
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 12,313
Likes: 27
From: Hershey PA
Very cool. For people who rebuild engines this is probably very old hat, but for people who don't know know rotaries it's good to see.

Are all of those black sections of o-ring shot?

Do you have full res pics? If you want I can host them for you. In any case, it would be cool to see in tighter detail.
Reply
Old Jun 17, 2005 | 11:02 AM
  #3  
DrewS2k's Avatar
v8 destroyer
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 1,023
Likes: 0
From: Grand Prairie,TX
huh i had all those symptoms with a 3 inch whole in my water seal but my apex seals are fine
Reply
Old Jun 17, 2005 | 11:15 AM
  #4  
cewrx7r1's Avatar
Eye In The Sky
Tenured Member: 25 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 7,941
Likes: 133
From: In A Disfunctional World
The cause of this is periodic overheating due to the inadequate stock cooling system and Mazda setting the overheat function on the stock ECU way too high. Oh Yeah, and a water temp gauge that ruins your engine by the time it shows overheating.

I do not know of anyone here in Houston having this failure after fixing these problems and running a PFC.
Reply
Old Jun 17, 2005 | 11:18 AM
  #5  
charlies7's Avatar
Thread Starter
3rd rotors a charm
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 3,331
Likes: 1
From: NW of windy city
when i bought my car i found out later that i had a clogged cat. yes all those black marks is the burnt coolant seal If you have a clogged that you know you of replce it immediately


My apex seals were perfectly fine. Thanks god or else my rebuild would have cost ALOT! more.
Reply
Old Jun 17, 2005 | 11:21 AM
  #6  
st0k3d's Avatar
Full Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 70
Likes: 0
From: LI, New York
its a shame the coolant seal isnt somthign mroe durable than a thin ring of rubber i can only imagine if it was maybe 4 times as thick would they ever go out like they do?
Reply
Old Jun 17, 2005 | 11:38 AM
  #7  
quicksilver_rx7's Avatar
Rotary Enthusiast
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,336
Likes: 0
From: Charlotte, NC
Some vendors have the teflon encapsulated coolant seals. From my understanding, they are 100 x better than the stock seals.
Reply
Old Jun 17, 2005 | 12:07 PM
  #8  
charlies7's Avatar
Thread Starter
3rd rotors a charm
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 3,331
Likes: 1
From: NW of windy city
Originally Posted by quicksilver_rx7
Some vendors have the teflon encapsulated coolant seals. From my understanding, they are 100 x better than the stock seals.
those are the seals that i have now!
Reply
Old Jun 17, 2005 | 06:13 PM
  #9  
OneRotor's Avatar
RAWR
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 3,860
Likes: 2
From: 90024
does anyone sell Viton coolant seals?
Reply
Old Jun 17, 2005 | 06:17 PM
  #10  
c00lduke's Avatar
Rotary Freak
Tenured Member 20 Years
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 2,360
Likes: 0
From: Overland Park, KS
Originally Posted by whitey85mtu
does anyone sell Viton coolant seals?

I've heard them mentioned. There are some very very heavy duty seals available. Just alot more costly, but could be worth the effort for a "bullet proof" rotary.
Reply
Old Jun 17, 2005 | 06:26 PM
  #11  
rebuild FD's Avatar
Banned. I got OWNED!!!
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 170
Likes: 0
From: ___, USA
are you running the stock radiator?
Reply
Old Jun 17, 2005 | 11:09 PM
  #12  
mecman's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 679
Likes: 24
From: Chicago, IL, USA
charlie,

Where did you purchase your teflon coated seals?
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2005 | 12:03 AM
  #13  
charlies7's Avatar
Thread Starter
3rd rotors a charm
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 3,331
Likes: 1
From: NW of windy city
Originally Posted by rebuild FD
are you running the stock radiator?
I am running a fluidyne rad right now
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2005 | 12:04 AM
  #14  
charlies7's Avatar
Thread Starter
3rd rotors a charm
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 3,331
Likes: 1
From: NW of windy city
Originally Posted by mecman
charlie,

Where did you purchase your teflon coated seals?
Banzai racing in indiana rebuilt my engine. You would have to talk to them www.banzairacing.net
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2005 | 06:03 PM
  #15  
BlueTII's Avatar
Banzai Racing
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 2,632
Likes: 3
From: Indiana
Charlie,
Here's the link to your pages showing pics of the entire breakdown, rebuild and install, just in case you lost it.

http://banzairacing.net/charlieR_rebuild_04-05.htm
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2005 | 07:09 PM
  #16  
banzaitoyota's Avatar
What Subscription?
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 5,926
Likes: 2
From: Aiken SC USA
Some people have gone as far as to have "Nuclear Grade O-Rings" made. A Stainless steel Helical sring wrapped with a SS Liner and coated in Pure silver.
Reply
Old Jun 19, 2005 | 12:36 AM
  #17  
DIGSUBLIME's Avatar
Newbie
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
From: OKLAHOMA CITY
Holy crap!! I have the exact same symptoms!! I'm pissed because if tried like 5 times to get all the air out of the system, but now i know it's no use. hhhmmm now do i rebuild or just go v8?!?! Decisions decisions. Thanks for the great post!!!!
Reply
Old Jun 19, 2005 | 11:24 AM
  #18  
charlies7's Avatar
Thread Starter
3rd rotors a charm
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 3,331
Likes: 1
From: NW of windy city
get a rebuild and send your engine to banzai racing...chris builds great engines..mine is getting stronger and stronger im am pulling about 17-18 in of vac at idle now! RX-7 is meant to have a rotary.
Reply
Old Jun 19, 2005 | 06:51 PM
  #19  
rotaomi's Avatar
Junior Member
Tenured Member 05 Years
 
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
From: florida
if any of you guys whant real coolant seals i got someone overhere in miami he sells some type of coolant seals that they use to race his name is lopez racing tryv those coolant seals his phone is 305-255-1352
Reply
Old Jan 20, 2006 | 11:14 PM
  #20  
FuturePerfect's Avatar
Garaged
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 243
Likes: 0
From: Lansing, IL
I'm resurrecting this ****' because of a stupid question: are the O Rings in rebuild kits the coolant seals?

I've got smoke at startup, I've had to refill my coolant with no apparent leaks, and I started my engine with the rad cap off, but I cut the engine before the coolant overflowed (maybe I put too much coolant in?). These sound like signs of a blown coolant seal so I'm researching engine rebuild options.
Reply
Old Jan 20, 2006 | 11:18 PM
  #21  
Mr rx-7 tt's Avatar
rotary sensei
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,316
Likes: 3
From: Virginia
Originally Posted by FuturePerfect
I'm resurrecting this ****' because of a stupid question: are the O Rings in rebuild kits the coolant seals?

I've got smoke at startup, I've had to refill my coolant with no apparent leaks, and I started my engine with the rad cap off, but I cut the engine before the coolant overflowed (maybe I put too much coolant in?). These sound like signs of a blown coolant seal so I'm researching engine rebuild options.
Smoke at start up is normal. When it does happen it's usually the turbos. Don't sweat it.
Reply
Old Jan 20, 2006 | 11:38 PM
  #22  
FuturePerfect's Avatar
Garaged
Tenured Member 10 Years
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 243
Likes: 0
From: Lansing, IL
I'm not so sure that it's water condensation--I've done some searching and even saw a video between the two and I wouldn't doubt that it could be bad coolant seals. What further pushes this suspicion was the fact that I had the "Add Coolant" alarm buzz without any visible leaks. I'm also experiencing an unsteady idle, in that it fluctuates between 1100-1400 RPMs. I really need to get my FD checked out.

Can anybody answer my question above regarding O Rings and Coolant seals? Are they the same thing?
Reply
Old Jan 21, 2006 | 12:22 AM
  #23  
dradon03's Avatar
Derwin
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,888
Likes: 0
From: MTL, QC
Nice freaking ports on your motor!
Reply
Old Jan 21, 2006 | 01:23 AM
  #24  
jacobcartmill's Avatar
just dont care.
Tenured Member 20 Years
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 9,387
Likes: 4
From: Nashville, TN
um those appear to be stock ports.
Reply
Old Jan 21, 2006 | 01:24 AM
  #25  
KeloidJonesJr.'s Avatar
strictly business
Tenured Member 05 Years
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 6,187
Likes: 0
From: chamber of farts
ouch
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:08 AM.