Best HID conversion out there?
Best HID conversion out there?
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Are you talking non popup conversion as well? If so, the best is probably rotary extreme's with the HID option. If you just want to convert the OE lights, McCullough and Phillips have kits, xenonking.com seems to have a good selection. FWIW, you probably want a 5-6000K kit, they put out the most light, lower numbers will be more amber and work better in foul weather, higher numbers will be more blue and then purple and exotic looking, but the light isnt as effective.
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this is one of the nicest kits I have seen especially at the price. https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?p=5145336#post5145336
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Originally Posted by sevensix
sure look like hid..
is that a hella HID housing kit..
or some other...
is that a hella HID housing kit..
or some other...
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...highlight=Wael
i c... very nice so basically its 1 set of HID fog lights and 1 set of normal halogen fogs for the high beam. interesting. thanks for the info i may try this in a few months. i'll keep u all updated 
Check out....................
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/home.html
Good tech info & facts about automotive lighting products
Looks like the French (surrender monkeys) have had their **** together for a long time when it comes to automotive lighting.
On a side note. I bought a set of Euro E code lens for my car. Unique beam pattern, check out the the tech section on E-code alignment.
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/home.html
Good tech info & facts about automotive lighting products
Looks like the French (surrender monkeys) have had their **** together for a long time when it comes to automotive lighting.
On a side note. I bought a set of Euro E code lens for my car. Unique beam pattern, check out the the tech section on E-code alignment.
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I have this link in my fav's, not sure if someone posted it or not....
http://www.lighter.net/products/rx7headlights/
http://www.lighter.net/products/rx7headlights/
Originally Posted by Sled Driver
Check out....................
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/home.html
Good tech info & facts about automotive lighting products
Looks like the French (surrender monkeys) have had their **** together for a long time when it comes to automotive lighting.
On a side note. I bought a set of Euro E code lens for my car. Unique beam pattern, check out the the tech section on E-code alignment.
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/home.html
Good tech info & facts about automotive lighting products
Looks like the French (surrender monkeys) have had their **** together for a long time when it comes to automotive lighting.
On a side note. I bought a set of Euro E code lens for my car. Unique beam pattern, check out the the tech section on E-code alignment.
IMHO, the best bang for the stock pop-ups are the E-code/euro (German) assemblies (Corksport has them) with a pair of Narva 130/110 H4's and a relay wiring harness for no voltage drop.
Inserting HID bulbs into a reflector designed for H4's is just plain wrong.
I'm not 100% confident that these housings were designed for LEFT-hand drive (LHD) HID's, as opposed to Right-hand Drive (RHD) housings for Japan.
Caveat Emptor!
:-( neil
Check out:
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...s/Hid/HID.html
neil
Originally Posted by jbrx7tt
I have this link in my fav's, not sure if someone posted it or not....
http://www.lighter.net/products/rx7headlights/
http://www.lighter.net/products/rx7headlights/
:-) neil
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I'm surprised that no one wants to get the angel eyes for their FD! I've seen some pics at cardomain but don't remember what year of the car it was, way too many of them to go one by one. Anyway, they looked so cool, definitely very unique look. They were two rings per head light, and I do believe they were pop-ups!
txturbogs Yes, I am looking for the non pop-up lights with the HID option. I will give rotary extreme a call. Thanks for the input and keep it comming.
I strongly suggest that if you install HID lights that you install HID lights as system. That is, the HID bulbs and headlight housings should be designed TOGETHER as an integrated OPTICAL system, not piecemeal.
Current research has shown piecemeal build-outs to be ineffective and dangerous, and to this date no aftermarket HID conversion or retrofit kit has been approved by any government regulating body. All conversion and retrofit kits being sold have the explicit disclaimer “For Off-Road Use Only”. This means they aren’t intended for use on public roads and highways. There have been several cases where the US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has investigated and found these HID kits illegal because they produced excessive glare. NHTSA has forced these manufacturers to recall their items and stopped their sale (http://www.ofoc.ca/hid/hid101.html).
For more information on HID conversions, check out:
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...nversions.html
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...s/Hid/HID.html
Why HID may not be better than halogen:
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...dvantages.html
BTW: Daniel Stern is a recognized authority on automotive lighting. He has been featured in the BMW magazine, "The Roundel"; the Mercedes magazine "The Star"; and the National Highway Institute.
As always, "caveat emptor"/ let the buyer beware.
Here's an excerpt:
Halogen headlamps and HID headlamps require very different optics to produce a safe and effective—not to mention legal—beam pattern. How come? Because of the very different characteristics of the two kinds of light source.
A halogen bulb has a cylindrical light source: the glowing filament. The space immediately surrounding the cylinder of light is completely dark, and so the sharpest contrast between bright and dark is along the edges of the cylinder of light. The ends of the filament cylinder fade from bright to dark. An HID bulb, on the other hand, has a crescent-shaped light source -- the arc. It's crescent-shaped because as it passes through the space between the two electrodes, its heat causes it to try to rise. The space immediately surrounding the crescent of light glows in layers...the closer to the crescent of light, the brighter the glow. The ends of the arc crescent are the brightest points, and immediately beyond these points is completely dark, so the sharpest contrast between bright and dark is at the ends of the crescent of light.
When designing the optics (lens and/or reflector) for a lamp, the characteristics of the light source are *the* driving factor around which everything else must be engineered. If you go and change the light source, you've done the equivalent of putting on somebody else's eyeglasses: You can probably make them fit on your face OK, but you won't see properly.
Now, what about those "retrofit" jobs in which the beam cutoff still appears sharp? Don't be fooled; it's an error to judge a beam pattern solely by its cutoff. In many lamps, especially the projector types, the cutoff will remain the same regardless of what light source is behind it. Halogen bulb, HID capsule, cigarette lighter, firefly, hold it up to the sun—whatever. That's because of the way a projector lamp works. The cutoff is simply the projected image of a piece of metal running side-to-side behind the lens. Where the optics come in is in distributing the light under the cutoff. And, as with all other automotive lamps (and, in fact, all optical instruments), the optics are calculated based not just on where the light source is within the lamp (focal length) but also the specific photometric characteristics of the light source...which parts of it are brighter, which parts of it are darker, where the boundaries of the light source are, whether the boundaries are sharp or fuzzy, the shape of the light source, and so forth.
As if the optical mismatch weren't reason enough to drop the idea of "retrofitting" an HID bulb where a halogen one belongs—and it is reason enough!—there are even more reasons why not to do it. Here are some of them:
The only available arc capsules have a longitudinal arc (arc path runs front to back) on the axis of the bulb, but many popular halogen headlamp bulbs, such as 9004, 9007, H3 and H12, use a filament that is transverse (side-to-side) and/or offset (not on the axis of the bulb) central axis of the headlamp reflector). In this case, it is impossible even to roughly approximate the position and orientation of the filament with a "retrofit" HID capsule. Just because your headlamp might use an axial-filament bulb, though, doesn't mean you've jumped the hurdles—the laws of optical physics don't bend even for the cleverest marketing department, nor for the catchiest HID "retrofit" kit box.
The latest gimmick is HID arc capsules set in an electromagnetic base so that they shift up and down or back and forth. These are being marketed as "dual beam" kits that claim to address the loss of high beam with fixed-base "retrofits" in place of dual-filament halogen bulbs. (A cheaper variant of this is one that uses a fixed HID bulb with a halogen bulb strapped or glued to the side of it...yikes!) What you wind up with is two poorly-formed beams, at best. The reason the original equipment market has not adopted the movable-capsule designs they've been playing with since the mid 1990s is because it is impossible to control the arc position accurately so it winds up in the same position each and every time.
In the original-equipment field, there are single-capsule dual-beam systems appearing ("BiXenon", etc.), but these all rely on a movable optical shield, or movable reflector—the arc capsule stays in one place. The Original Equipment engineers have a great deal of money and resources at their disposal, and if a movable capsule were a practical way to do the job, they'd do it. The "retrofit" kits certainly don't address this problem anywhere near satisfaction. And even if they did, remember: Whether a fixed or moving-capsule "retrofit" is contemplated, solving the arc-position problem and calling it good is like going to a hospital with two broken ribs, a sprained ankle and a crushed toe and having the nurse say "Well, you're free to go home now, we've put your ankle in a sling!" Focal length (arc/filament positioning) is only just ONE issue out of several.
The most dangerous part of the attempt to "retrofit" Xenon headlamps is that sometimes you get a deceptive and illusory "improvement" in the performance of the headlamp. The performance of the headlamp is perceived to be "better" because of the much higher level of foreground lighting (on the road immediately in front of the car). However, the beam patterns produced by this kind of "conversion" virtually always give less distance light, and often an alarming lack of light where there's meant to be a relative maximum in light intensity. The result is the illusion that you can see better than you actually can, and that's not safe.
It's tricky to judge headlamp beam performance without a lot of knowledge, a lot of training and a lot of special equipment, because subjective perceptions are very misleading. Having a lot of strong light in the foreground, that is on the road close to the car and out to the sides, is very comforting and reliably produces a strong impression of "good headlights". The problem is that not only is foreground lighting of decidedly secondary importance when travelling much above 30 mph, but having a very strong pool of light close to the car causes your pupils to close down, worsening your distance vision...all the while giving you this false sense of security. This is to say nothing of the massive amounts of glare to other road users and backdazzle to you, the driver, that results from these "retrofits".
HID headlamps also require careful weatherproofing and electrical shielding because of the high voltages involved. These unsafe "retrofits" make it physically possible to insert an HID bulb where a halogen bulb belongs, but this practice is illegal and dangerous, regardless of claims by these marketers that their systems are "beam pattern corrected" or the fraudulent use of established brand names to try to trick you into thinking the product is legitimate. In order to work correctly and safely, HID headlamps must be designed from the start as HID headlamps.
What about the law, what does it have to say on the matter? In virtually every first-world country, HID "retrofits" into halogen headlamps are illegal. They're illegal clear across Europe and in all of the many countries that use European ECE headlight regulations. They're illegal in the US and Canada. Some people dismiss this because North American regulations, in particular, are written in such a manner as to reject a great many genuinely good headlamps. Nevertheless, on the particular count of HID "retrofits" into halogen headlamps, the world's regulators and engineers agree: DON'T!
The only safe and legitimate HID retrofit is one that replaces the entire headlamp—that is lens, reflector, bulb...the WHOLE shemozzle—with optics designed for HID usage. In the aftermarket, it is possible to get clever with the growing number of available products, such as Hella's modular projectors available in HID or halogen, and fabricate your own brackets and bezels, or to modify an original-equipment halogen headlamp housing to contain optical "guts" designed for HID usage. But just putting an HID bulb where a halogen one belongs is bad news all around.
Current research has shown piecemeal build-outs to be ineffective and dangerous, and to this date no aftermarket HID conversion or retrofit kit has been approved by any government regulating body. All conversion and retrofit kits being sold have the explicit disclaimer “For Off-Road Use Only”. This means they aren’t intended for use on public roads and highways. There have been several cases where the US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has investigated and found these HID kits illegal because they produced excessive glare. NHTSA has forced these manufacturers to recall their items and stopped their sale (http://www.ofoc.ca/hid/hid101.html).
For more information on HID conversions, check out:
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...nversions.html
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...s/Hid/HID.html
Why HID may not be better than halogen:
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...dvantages.html
BTW: Daniel Stern is a recognized authority on automotive lighting. He has been featured in the BMW magazine, "The Roundel"; the Mercedes magazine "The Star"; and the National Highway Institute.
As always, "caveat emptor"/ let the buyer beware.
Here's an excerpt:
Halogen headlamps and HID headlamps require very different optics to produce a safe and effective—not to mention legal—beam pattern. How come? Because of the very different characteristics of the two kinds of light source.
A halogen bulb has a cylindrical light source: the glowing filament. The space immediately surrounding the cylinder of light is completely dark, and so the sharpest contrast between bright and dark is along the edges of the cylinder of light. The ends of the filament cylinder fade from bright to dark. An HID bulb, on the other hand, has a crescent-shaped light source -- the arc. It's crescent-shaped because as it passes through the space between the two electrodes, its heat causes it to try to rise. The space immediately surrounding the crescent of light glows in layers...the closer to the crescent of light, the brighter the glow. The ends of the arc crescent are the brightest points, and immediately beyond these points is completely dark, so the sharpest contrast between bright and dark is at the ends of the crescent of light.
When designing the optics (lens and/or reflector) for a lamp, the characteristics of the light source are *the* driving factor around which everything else must be engineered. If you go and change the light source, you've done the equivalent of putting on somebody else's eyeglasses: You can probably make them fit on your face OK, but you won't see properly.
Now, what about those "retrofit" jobs in which the beam cutoff still appears sharp? Don't be fooled; it's an error to judge a beam pattern solely by its cutoff. In many lamps, especially the projector types, the cutoff will remain the same regardless of what light source is behind it. Halogen bulb, HID capsule, cigarette lighter, firefly, hold it up to the sun—whatever. That's because of the way a projector lamp works. The cutoff is simply the projected image of a piece of metal running side-to-side behind the lens. Where the optics come in is in distributing the light under the cutoff. And, as with all other automotive lamps (and, in fact, all optical instruments), the optics are calculated based not just on where the light source is within the lamp (focal length) but also the specific photometric characteristics of the light source...which parts of it are brighter, which parts of it are darker, where the boundaries of the light source are, whether the boundaries are sharp or fuzzy, the shape of the light source, and so forth.
As if the optical mismatch weren't reason enough to drop the idea of "retrofitting" an HID bulb where a halogen one belongs—and it is reason enough!—there are even more reasons why not to do it. Here are some of them:
The only available arc capsules have a longitudinal arc (arc path runs front to back) on the axis of the bulb, but many popular halogen headlamp bulbs, such as 9004, 9007, H3 and H12, use a filament that is transverse (side-to-side) and/or offset (not on the axis of the bulb) central axis of the headlamp reflector). In this case, it is impossible even to roughly approximate the position and orientation of the filament with a "retrofit" HID capsule. Just because your headlamp might use an axial-filament bulb, though, doesn't mean you've jumped the hurdles—the laws of optical physics don't bend even for the cleverest marketing department, nor for the catchiest HID "retrofit" kit box.
The latest gimmick is HID arc capsules set in an electromagnetic base so that they shift up and down or back and forth. These are being marketed as "dual beam" kits that claim to address the loss of high beam with fixed-base "retrofits" in place of dual-filament halogen bulbs. (A cheaper variant of this is one that uses a fixed HID bulb with a halogen bulb strapped or glued to the side of it...yikes!) What you wind up with is two poorly-formed beams, at best. The reason the original equipment market has not adopted the movable-capsule designs they've been playing with since the mid 1990s is because it is impossible to control the arc position accurately so it winds up in the same position each and every time.
In the original-equipment field, there are single-capsule dual-beam systems appearing ("BiXenon", etc.), but these all rely on a movable optical shield, or movable reflector—the arc capsule stays in one place. The Original Equipment engineers have a great deal of money and resources at their disposal, and if a movable capsule were a practical way to do the job, they'd do it. The "retrofit" kits certainly don't address this problem anywhere near satisfaction. And even if they did, remember: Whether a fixed or moving-capsule "retrofit" is contemplated, solving the arc-position problem and calling it good is like going to a hospital with two broken ribs, a sprained ankle and a crushed toe and having the nurse say "Well, you're free to go home now, we've put your ankle in a sling!" Focal length (arc/filament positioning) is only just ONE issue out of several.
The most dangerous part of the attempt to "retrofit" Xenon headlamps is that sometimes you get a deceptive and illusory "improvement" in the performance of the headlamp. The performance of the headlamp is perceived to be "better" because of the much higher level of foreground lighting (on the road immediately in front of the car). However, the beam patterns produced by this kind of "conversion" virtually always give less distance light, and often an alarming lack of light where there's meant to be a relative maximum in light intensity. The result is the illusion that you can see better than you actually can, and that's not safe.
It's tricky to judge headlamp beam performance without a lot of knowledge, a lot of training and a lot of special equipment, because subjective perceptions are very misleading. Having a lot of strong light in the foreground, that is on the road close to the car and out to the sides, is very comforting and reliably produces a strong impression of "good headlights". The problem is that not only is foreground lighting of decidedly secondary importance when travelling much above 30 mph, but having a very strong pool of light close to the car causes your pupils to close down, worsening your distance vision...all the while giving you this false sense of security. This is to say nothing of the massive amounts of glare to other road users and backdazzle to you, the driver, that results from these "retrofits".
HID headlamps also require careful weatherproofing and electrical shielding because of the high voltages involved. These unsafe "retrofits" make it physically possible to insert an HID bulb where a halogen bulb belongs, but this practice is illegal and dangerous, regardless of claims by these marketers that their systems are "beam pattern corrected" or the fraudulent use of established brand names to try to trick you into thinking the product is legitimate. In order to work correctly and safely, HID headlamps must be designed from the start as HID headlamps.
What about the law, what does it have to say on the matter? In virtually every first-world country, HID "retrofits" into halogen headlamps are illegal. They're illegal clear across Europe and in all of the many countries that use European ECE headlight regulations. They're illegal in the US and Canada. Some people dismiss this because North American regulations, in particular, are written in such a manner as to reject a great many genuinely good headlamps. Nevertheless, on the particular count of HID "retrofits" into halogen headlamps, the world's regulators and engineers agree: DON'T!
The only safe and legitimate HID retrofit is one that replaces the entire headlamp—that is lens, reflector, bulb...the WHOLE shemozzle—with optics designed for HID usage. In the aftermarket, it is possible to get clever with the growing number of available products, such as Hella's modular projectors available in HID or halogen, and fabricate your own brackets and bezels, or to modify an original-equipment halogen headlamp housing to contain optical "guts" designed for HID usage. But just putting an HID bulb where a halogen one belongs is bad news all around.
I just finished making these. They are still pop up but definately kick ***. Look good with the new combo lights IMO.
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...t=hid+retrofit
Mike
https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.p...t=hid+retrofit
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Sunshine HID xenon lamps for auto headlamps
Dear Sir
We are manufacturer of HID xenon conversion kits. We would like to enter into business relation with you on a basis of mutual benefits and common developments. We do OEM service for customers all over the world.
Product: HID xenon auto lamps
color temperatuer 4300K, 5000k,6000k,8000k,10000k,12000k 35W 12V 35W 24V(For truck)
Specification: H1, H3, H4,H7, H11, H13, 9004, 9005, 9006, 9007, D2S, D2R HID xenon lamp
Packing: Alloy packing Min Quantity: 10 KITS
Payment: T/T Transfer Warranty 1 year
If you have any question please feel free to contact me.
Enclosed are some of our products photoes.
Best wishes
IvyLam
export manager
Sunshine Electronic Technology Co.,Ltd
http:// www.sunshinehid.com
http://sunshinehid.com
Sunshinehid@gmail.com
ivylr@hotmail.com
Tel 86-755-81920262 86-75583190820
Fax 86-755-83190820
We are manufacturer of HID xenon conversion kits. We would like to enter into business relation with you on a basis of mutual benefits and common developments. We do OEM service for customers all over the world.
Product: HID xenon auto lamps
color temperatuer 4300K, 5000k,6000k,8000k,10000k,12000k 35W 12V 35W 24V(For truck)
Specification: H1, H3, H4,H7, H11, H13, 9004, 9005, 9006, 9007, D2S, D2R HID xenon lamp
Packing: Alloy packing Min Quantity: 10 KITS
Payment: T/T Transfer Warranty 1 year
If you have any question please feel free to contact me.
Enclosed are some of our products photoes.
Best wishes
IvyLam
export manager
Sunshine Electronic Technology Co.,Ltd
http:// www.sunshinehid.com
http://sunshinehid.com
Sunshinehid@gmail.com
ivylr@hotmail.com
Tel 86-755-81920262 86-75583190820
Fax 86-755-83190820
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