View Poll Results: Best power/performance balance
stock power
3
4.35%
280-320 whp
11
15.94%
320-380 whp
28
40.58%
380-420 whp
20
28.99%
420-480 whp
3
4.35%
480+
4
5.80%
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The best balance of power and performance
06-12-05, 03:17 PM
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The best balance of power and performance
As the title states, I have always wondered what would be the best power/performance balance for the FD.
I know there are cars out there with >500WHP, but how useful is that when you are not going in a straight line? Power for our car comes at a cost in the form of lag (unless you do a 3 rotor or V8 swap), you have to keep the revs above 5000 rpms for cars producing more than 500WHP to get any of the power benefit.
Is there such a thing as too much power?
I know there are cars out there with >500WHP, but how useful is that when you are not going in a straight line? Power for our car comes at a cost in the form of lag (unless you do a 3 rotor or V8 swap), you have to keep the revs above 5000 rpms for cars producing more than 500WHP to get any of the power benefit.
Is there such a thing as too much power?
06-12-05, 11:45 PM
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350 rwhp is about the limit for streetable, *reliable* dependable horsepower on a boosted 13B. Ari and Chris over at RP have always said this without hesitation when I asked them over the years, and based on my own experiences it seems about right.
06-12-05, 11:55 PM
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I think my car is pushing around 290 whp right now and it routinely scares the sh*t out of me. I think even at around 300 whp, you are starting to push the envelope with 91 octane gas that many of us get now.
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06-13-05, 12:12 AM
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I've got 380rwhp and its fast as hell but i'd still like a little more. I want to be in the range of 400-435rwhp but that will have to wait till i get a ported motor and turn the boost up a little bit.
06-13-05, 12:35 AM
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With a 13B, 350-400 rwhp is really the limit of usable power, at least in anything but a pure straight line. Any setup making more power than this stops becoming usable exiting a turn/on a track.
People that run big laggy singles making 400+ rwhp aren't typically interested in balance or driving on a track, they are interested in winning highway races, drag racing, or bragging rights.
People that run big laggy singles making 400+ rwhp aren't typically interested in balance or driving on a track, they are interested in winning highway races, drag racing, or bragging rights.
06-13-05, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by rynberg
With a 13B, 350-400 rwhp is really the limit of usable power, at least in anything but a pure straight line. Any setup making more power than this stops becoming usable exiting a turn/on a track.
People that run big laggy singles making 400+ rwhp aren't typically interested in balance or driving on a track, they are interested in winning highway races, drag racing, or bragging rights.
People that run big laggy singles making 400+ rwhp aren't typically interested in balance or driving on a track, they are interested in winning highway races, drag racing, or bragging rights.
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06-13-05, 07:26 PM
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Does anyone have a relative comparison between a 380whp FD to other high performance cars. I'm curious to know where we are among the pecking order of sports cars.
Can a 380whp FD hang with Porsche twin turbo or Z06 or Vipers or other exotics?
Can a 380whp FD hang with Porsche twin turbo or Z06 or Vipers or other exotics?
06-13-05, 08:54 PM
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I was running 360RWHP for about a year, and thought that was a very nice balance between power and "reliability". I never really had any issues with the car at this level.
Boost greed set in and I retuned. The car is now putting down 400RWHP. I do not think it is any more or less streetable, but I did manage to blow up the stock clutch at this power level.
I am going to go out on a limb, and say the less mods you do, aside from reliablity, the better off you will be in the long run. So, 260-280RWHP will yield a very nice streetable car, without a bunch of **** (more ****) that can wrong.
Please understand though, you've got a race car in not so "sheeps clothing". It is going to require a ton of maintence, and repair. Especially, if you drive it like it needs to be driven.
Boost greed set in and I retuned. The car is now putting down 400RWHP. I do not think it is any more or less streetable, but I did manage to blow up the stock clutch at this power level.
I am going to go out on a limb, and say the less mods you do, aside from reliablity, the better off you will be in the long run. So, 260-280RWHP will yield a very nice streetable car, without a bunch of **** (more ****) that can wrong.
Please understand though, you've got a race car in not so "sheeps clothing". It is going to require a ton of maintence, and repair. Especially, if you drive it like it needs to be driven.
06-13-05, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Trexthe3rd
Does anyone have a relative comparison between a 380whp FD to other high performance cars. I'm curious to know where we are among the pecking order of sports cars.
Can a 380whp FD hang with Porsche twin turbo or Z06 or Vipers or other exotics?
Can a 380whp FD hang with Porsche twin turbo or Z06 or Vipers or other exotics?
Depending on how well the car is setup, a 380 rwhp will eat all of the above cars on the track.
06-13-05, 10:16 PM
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I looked up some weight/power for high performance sports cars:
2005 Saleen S7------------->4.63
2002 Ferrari Enzo----------->4.93
FD with 500whp------------>5.50
2005 Porsche Carrera GT---->5.92
FD with 380whp------------->7.24
2005 Z06------------------->7.36
2005 Lamborghini Murcielago->7.45
2005 Ford GT--------------->7.88
2005 Viper------------------>7.96
2005 BMW M6--------------->8.74
2005 Porsche Carrera S------>9.64
2005 Acura NSX------------->12.07
2005 Saleen S7------------->4.63
2002 Ferrari Enzo----------->4.93
FD with 500whp------------>5.50
2005 Porsche Carrera GT---->5.92
FD with 380whp------------->7.24
2005 Z06------------------->7.36
2005 Lamborghini Murcielago->7.45
2005 Ford GT--------------->7.88
2005 Viper------------------>7.96
2005 BMW M6--------------->8.74
2005 Porsche Carrera S------>9.64
2005 Acura NSX------------->12.07
06-14-05, 12:06 AM
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Isn't the FD also extremely aerodynamic?
Hey, maybe with some wide *** rims and some sticky rubber (and probably supsension so hard you can read the SCHOOL paint off of the road with your ***) it might actually corner as good as some of those cars
Hey, maybe with some wide *** rims and some sticky rubber (and probably supsension so hard you can read the SCHOOL paint off of the road with your ***) it might actually corner as good as some of those cars
06-14-05, 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Nihilanthic
Hey, maybe with some wide *** rims and some sticky rubber (and probably supsension so hard you can read the SCHOOL paint off of the road with your ***) it might actually corner as good as some of those cars
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you figure with the drivetrain power loss figured into the mix, that 380hp would be about 447hp at the fly (imagine a from the factory fd with that hp figure, damn), so keeping up with stock zo6's and 911tt's shouldn't be a problem, u'll most likely surprise the hell out of them actually... even janapese tuners like Amemiya agree that 380hp is a great balance for the FD...
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