ball bearing turbos- opinions
03-10-02, 10:06 AM
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ball bearing turbos- opinions
Has anyone bought the M2 ball bearing twin turbos?
Opinions? How fast did they fill your order? Last time I ordered from them it seemed to take forever. Any idea who the actual manufacturer of the turbo unit is?
Opinions? How fast did they fill your order? Last time I ordered from them it seemed to take forever. Any idea who the actual manufacturer of the turbo unit is?
03-10-02, 04:12 PM
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hmm...I answered this and my post disappeared..wierd.
anyhow...I ordered my set after speaking with the boys over there. I let them know I had heard that orders thru them took way too long. they promised a week to ten days for manufacturing time. It took a few days to get my check card to go thru so max I was told about two weeks. it has been five weeks now.
apparently they got slammed with orders and I keep being told any day now. I expect them to be finished on Monday.
I let them know that people were not happy with their poor delivery time. they seemed bothered that it took them that long as well...they said they would rather fill the orders on time ....hehe
anyhow..I do know they make good stuff...if I have to wait for good parts then wait I will. Im tired of buying **** turbos. Im hoping that they are doing a fine job with their set.
we shall see. they have been very cordial about the whole thing over the phone.
honestly though..it sucks that my car is STILL in the shop. But....I already went thru three sets of stock junk and dont want to waste the money again.
the manufacturer is garrett...I dont know who builds them for m2 though.
jason
anyhow...I ordered my set after speaking with the boys over there. I let them know I had heard that orders thru them took way too long. they promised a week to ten days for manufacturing time. It took a few days to get my check card to go thru so max I was told about two weeks. it has been five weeks now.
apparently they got slammed with orders and I keep being told any day now. I expect them to be finished on Monday.
I let them know that people were not happy with their poor delivery time. they seemed bothered that it took them that long as well...they said they would rather fill the orders on time ....hehe
anyhow..I do know they make good stuff...if I have to wait for good parts then wait I will. Im tired of buying **** turbos. Im hoping that they are doing a fine job with their set.
we shall see. they have been very cordial about the whole thing over the phone.
honestly though..it sucks that my car is STILL in the shop. But....I already went thru three sets of stock junk and dont want to waste the money again.
the manufacturer is garrett...I dont know who builds them for m2 though.
jason
03-10-02, 10:15 PM
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artguy- thanks for the reply. Seems like your experience is same as mine. I have never been to their shop- heard it is kind of a one or two man operation. Nothing wrong with that, except it is easy to be overcome by too much business at one time. Also, if they subcontract their parts work it can take even longer. I may order well in advance of the time I need to have the turbos replaced, so the down time on the car is not so much. I hate to put the stock type turbos back on cause they are as expensive as the upgrade and I don't really want to go to single turbo. Ron A.
03-12-02, 03:07 PM
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Gave up on the M2 bb turbos. Can't wait around for several weeks for delivery. Ordered the Pettit hi-flo. Interior is hand radiused and hot spots are ceramic coated. Salesperson at Pettit wanted to make sure I would not be upset if they spooled up too quickly. Seems some of their customers were not happy with their car having excessive power after the upgrade. I say if they can't handle the power, let them drive Camrys
03-12-02, 03:11 PM
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well you know what...the guy at pettit told me that there is not a performance GAIN with their hi flo units. He told me that when I discussed my options with him. the reason he told me was because I was going to buy a used set of their turbos...he said I should go M2 if I wanted a noticable power gain.
I got my M2 set today!!!!!!!!!!!
they are pulling your leg about their hi flo set....be careful...they may run a few more pounds of boost but either way stock turbos are JUNK. Ive had three sets. Hi boost will eat those wheels and burn out those seals faster than you can make money to buy a new effing set.
Ill let ya know what the results of my new turbos are.
good luck
jason
I got my M2 set today!!!!!!!!!!!
they are pulling your leg about their hi flo set....be careful...they may run a few more pounds of boost but either way stock turbos are JUNK. Ive had three sets. Hi boost will eat those wheels and burn out those seals faster than you can make money to buy a new effing set.
Ill let ya know what the results of my new turbos are.
good luck
jason
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by the way...first impression on the set is great...the snails are brand spanking new and the cores that I sent were replaced by an absolutely perfect manifold etc...it is all polished, cleaned and looks great...truly a professional job.
I will put up a post as soon as my car is up and running with the results of how they feel.
I cant wait.
j
I will put up a post as soon as my car is up and running with the results of how they feel.
I cant wait.
j
03-12-02, 07:26 PM
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DONT DO IT!
Ive had mine rebuilt and built and rebuilt...
The thing seems to be that the seals on the ball bearings CAN NOT take the heat of being so close to the engine and having the exhaust gasses bombard it...
So The end result is they leak oil badly!! And usually dont last long..
But by all means... try a set; just dont say I didnt warn you!
~Jonathan
Ive had mine rebuilt and built and rebuilt...
The thing seems to be that the seals on the ball bearings CAN NOT take the heat of being so close to the engine and having the exhaust gasses bombard it...
So The end result is they leak oil badly!! And usually dont last long..
But by all means... try a set; just dont say I didnt warn you!
~Jonathan
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jonathon...did you have the m2 set or other? were yours garrets? what did you have???? were you trying to boost thirty pounds or what???
just wondering.
j
PS..ive been thru THREE sets of stock twin *****. I refuse to go that way. Any option is better than what I have been thru with the stockers. Is it possible you just had a shitty turbo builder??? I know those exhist...I met two shops personally. Turbo city SUCKS and so does Performance techniques. BOTH are not capable of doing a decent job. I found out the hard way and so did many of the other guys on here. maybe your turbo shop is related to those failures.
If my m2 set blows up though...be damn sure I will tell everyone on these forums. Capt Bill has em and seems happy....his times are killer...though he did have some oil line issues early on. From what I know current probs have been solved. I will let you know.
j
just wondering.
j
PS..ive been thru THREE sets of stock twin *****. I refuse to go that way. Any option is better than what I have been thru with the stockers. Is it possible you just had a shitty turbo builder??? I know those exhist...I met two shops personally. Turbo city SUCKS and so does Performance techniques. BOTH are not capable of doing a decent job. I found out the hard way and so did many of the other guys on here. maybe your turbo shop is related to those failures.
If my m2 set blows up though...be damn sure I will tell everyone on these forums. Capt Bill has em and seems happy....his times are killer...though he did have some oil line issues early on. From what I know current probs have been solved. I will let you know.
j
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03-13-02, 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by artguy
jonathon...did you have the m2 set or other? were yours garrets? what did you have???? were you trying to boost thirty pounds or what???
just wondering.
j
PS..ive been thru THREE sets of stock twin *****. I refuse to go that way. Any option is better than what I have been thru with the stockers. Is it possible you just had a shitty turbo builder??? I know those exhist...I met two shops personally. Turbo city SUCKS and so does Performance techniques. BOTH are not capable of doing a decent job. I found out the hard way and so did many of the other guys on here. maybe your turbo shop is related to those failures.
If my m2 set blows up though...be damn sure I will tell everyone on these forums. Capt Bill has em and seems happy....his times are killer...though he did have some oil line issues early on. From what I know current probs have been solved. I will let you know.
j
jonathon...did you have the m2 set or other? were yours garrets? what did you have???? were you trying to boost thirty pounds or what???
just wondering.
j
PS..ive been thru THREE sets of stock twin *****. I refuse to go that way. Any option is better than what I have been thru with the stockers. Is it possible you just had a shitty turbo builder??? I know those exhist...I met two shops personally. Turbo city SUCKS and so does Performance techniques. BOTH are not capable of doing a decent job. I found out the hard way and so did many of the other guys on here. maybe your turbo shop is related to those failures.
If my m2 set blows up though...be damn sure I will tell everyone on these forums. Capt Bill has em and seems happy....his times are killer...though he did have some oil line issues early on. From what I know current probs have been solved. I will let you know.
j
And i believe Capt. Bill has taken his off.. I think he also had some serious oil leaking...
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you had different snails...we shall see how different.
capt bill did have an oil problem which was not an issue with the turbos (or the heat as you suggest) but with the need for a pill in the oil line. the oil lines on the m2 set are now much smaller. according to m2 the problem has been solved.
captn bill says he is happy with them. check the 40-70 times post. his times are the best listed by far.
I had the hitachis the last time...they leaked....and smelled...and had total melt down under 13lbs of boost...granted I was using it as a daily driver and as a street racer.
I compared the m2 turbos to a set of stock turbos and the m2 wheels are TWICE as big and spin so freely in comparison. The stock set is so inadequit that it nearly broke my pocketbook. I will try anything at this point. I wanted the rx6 single but it will not pass smog.
it seems...wanttorace...that we have both had bad experiences but on opposite sides of the coin. I will not ever put another stock set of turbos on my car..you the opposite.
I will post dyno numbers in about thirty days. I have to break in the motor first. Honestly, I am excited about the set. i am going to try to do it right. We shall see what happens.
j
capt bill did have an oil problem which was not an issue with the turbos (or the heat as you suggest) but with the need for a pill in the oil line. the oil lines on the m2 set are now much smaller. according to m2 the problem has been solved.
captn bill says he is happy with them. check the 40-70 times post. his times are the best listed by far.
I had the hitachis the last time...they leaked....and smelled...and had total melt down under 13lbs of boost...granted I was using it as a daily driver and as a street racer.
I compared the m2 turbos to a set of stock turbos and the m2 wheels are TWICE as big and spin so freely in comparison. The stock set is so inadequit that it nearly broke my pocketbook. I will try anything at this point. I wanted the rx6 single but it will not pass smog.
it seems...wanttorace...that we have both had bad experiences but on opposite sides of the coin. I will not ever put another stock set of turbos on my car..you the opposite.
I will post dyno numbers in about thirty days. I have to break in the motor first. Honestly, I am excited about the set. i am going to try to do it right. We shall see what happens.
j
03-14-02, 04:13 PM
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Just an update on the Pettit turbos. Cameron called me yesterday to explain they could not get any re-buildable used cores in the near future. Their current option is a new factory turbo, which they disassemble and blueprint. Then they port and polish the interior, radius the sharp interior bends in the exhaust flow path and ceramic coat the turbos to minimize heat stress cracks. Will let you know how they work. Current price with the Pettit additional work is roughly what you will pay for a stock turbo at the dealer.
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