ATX to MTX ... What did you pay?
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ATX to MTX ... What did you pay?
I've searched. I've found BS anwsers posted by people who drive civics and shouldnt be on this site.
If you work in a shop or have had this done, what'll it cost for me to do this? I contacted MazdaTrix in SoCal, but they dont seem like they want to do it. They said "you should but an mtx rx7." So I responded something like "too late now, how much?"
Any real help would be appreciated.
If you work in a shop or have had this done, what'll it cost for me to do this? I contacted MazdaTrix in SoCal, but they dont seem like they want to do it. They said "you should but an mtx rx7." So I responded something like "too late now, how much?"
Any real help would be appreciated.
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generally a tranny will set you back about 300 to 500 bucks
youll also need the driveshaft the differential from a mtx as well
pedals and ecu,still unsure about the whole wiring harness thing,youll also need a clutch master cylinder and slave master cylinder as well,clutch obviously,also a resurfaced flywheel or lightweight flywheel as well.
I talked to Jason at rx7 store and he quoted me 1000 just for the work provided I had all the parts needed for the swap.I would suggest sourcing out your own parts as some places wanted to sell e a 300 dollar mtx ecu when you can pick one up for 100 bucks or less.Just one example.As you can see and tell I also own an auto fd and im going to eventually swap to a 5 speed as well.
youll also need the driveshaft the differential from a mtx as well
pedals and ecu,still unsure about the whole wiring harness thing,youll also need a clutch master cylinder and slave master cylinder as well,clutch obviously,also a resurfaced flywheel or lightweight flywheel as well.
I talked to Jason at rx7 store and he quoted me 1000 just for the work provided I had all the parts needed for the swap.I would suggest sourcing out your own parts as some places wanted to sell e a 300 dollar mtx ecu when you can pick one up for 100 bucks or less.Just one example.As you can see and tell I also own an auto fd and im going to eventually swap to a 5 speed as well.
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lol...see yeah thats great...real funny jack@$$. umm...yeah im in iraq...and i seem to have a hard time flying home on the weekend to swap the tranny. i keep talking to my commanding officer about it but he just doesnt understand why taxpayers should me fly back from Iraq every weekend to wok on my car....we are trying to work a deal with the insurgents too...i explained that i need to go home on the weekend so they cant be trying to kill people and blowing stuff up...i mean it clearly doesnt fit into my schedule.
oh yeah....i forgot some people have never served overseas....some people work at home and can spend 8 hours a day on their car....while some people, like me, get missiles shot at them everyday and dont have time to worry about whether the driveshaft they just bought off this site has a manual ratio or an atx ratio.
Dont bother to respond, ejmack....please....
I appologize about the civic comment...i should've said "people who have pistons" is that better? I just dont want an answer from someone who doenst have our cars, or someone who has never done it.
Any help further then speeddemons would be appreciated. Outsourcing parts is almost impossible for me.
oh yeah....i forgot some people have never served overseas....some people work at home and can spend 8 hours a day on their car....while some people, like me, get missiles shot at them everyday and dont have time to worry about whether the driveshaft they just bought off this site has a manual ratio or an atx ratio.
Dont bother to respond, ejmack....please....
I appologize about the civic comment...i should've said "people who have pistons" is that better? I just dont want an answer from someone who doenst have our cars, or someone who has never done it.
Any help further then speeddemons would be appreciated. Outsourcing parts is almost impossible for me.
12-07-04, 04:44 PM
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lol...see yeah thats great...real funny jack@$$. umm...yeah im in iraq...and i seem to have a hard time flying home on the weekend to swap the tranny. i keep talking to my commanding officer about it but he just doesnt understand why taxpayers should me fly back from Iraq every weekend to wok on my car....we are trying to work a deal with the insurgents too...i explained that i need to go home on the weekend so they cant be trying to kill people and blowing stuff up...i mean it clearly doesnt fit into my schedule.
oh yeah....i forgot some people have never served overseas....some people work at home and can spend 8 hours a day on their car....while some people, like me, get missiles shot at them everyday and dont have time to worry about whether the driveshaft they just bought off this site has a manual ratio or an atx ratio.
Dont bother to respond, ejmack....please....
I appologize about the civic comment...i should've said "people who have pistons" is that better? I just dont want an answer from someone who doenst have our cars, or someone who has never done it.
Any help further then speeddemons would be appreciated. Outsourcing parts is almost impossible for me.
oh yeah....i forgot some people have never served overseas....some people work at home and can spend 8 hours a day on their car....while some people, like me, get missiles shot at them everyday and dont have time to worry about whether the driveshaft they just bought off this site has a manual ratio or an atx ratio.
Dont bother to respond, ejmack....please....
I appologize about the civic comment...i should've said "people who have pistons" is that better? I just dont want an answer from someone who doenst have our cars, or someone who has never done it.
Any help further then speeddemons would be appreciated. Outsourcing parts is almost impossible for me.
If you want an honest and thought out reply on a Auto to Manual swap, then give a thought out question... not a question that bashes people.
Now if you want advice I would be happy to help and alot of people on this forum know that I have a lot of experience and knowledge doing the swap. I just don't have time for the bullshit that most people on this board bring when they foolishly ask about doing the swap but have no intentions on following through.
Anyway
Be safe
12-07-04, 06:57 PM
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ejmack has contributed a large part of the info on the manual to auto swap to this board (he even has a write up on his own site). I'm sure everyone except the crazy librals values the service of the armed forces but theres no need to talk down to people that have chosen other career paths. I found a good deal on an auto and called a 3rd gen only mechanic and he said atleast 1k plus a parts car (I passed on that car for that reason). Ill trade you some 4.10's for some 3.90's when you get back to the states.
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Generally speaking, unless you find a shop that's done AT/MT conversions before you're probably gonna have a hard time finding someone that will sign up for it (unless of course you can throw gobs of money at them)
I know your gonna hear "I did it on milkcrates in overnight in my apartment and found all the parts on ebay for 500 bucks" stories, but here's my realistic take on it.
I completed my AT/MT swap in Aug 2004, doing all the work myself with a friend.
I'd say your looking at about 10-15 hours of labor and thats for a shop that knows 3rd Gen's.
Parts wise its ideal to find a local car thats being parted out and getting everything from the same source (with no shipping).
The clutch, flywheel, and ECU being the biggest dollar items that you have to make a decision on:
Aftermarket ECU = $500-1200
Aftermarket Clutch/FW = ~$1,000
Add those two costs to all the basic parts you'll need and it could add up quick. And thats not including the labor.
That said...My parts total (using new stock clutch, resurfaced flywheel) was just over $1,700.
It is by FAR one of the best mods you could ever do Auto FD.... I could not believe the difference in my car (although my auto had been slipping for a while). No more embarrassing spankings from Soccer Mom's in MiniVans at the stoplights
And I know it pulls harder in the midrange (40-120) than my old auto used to. 3rd gear is mighty sweet. The best part was the first ride my wife took in the car after the swap (she's logged many hours in the old auto). I did a street start WOT 1-2-3....she did the panic arm rest grab along with a repeating muffled "oh ****, oh ****, oh ****". You shoulda seen the smile on my face.
I've seen countless others try mod their auto FD's only to barely squeak out stock 5spd performance numbers (Chuck and other highend Auto FD's excluded)
It IS a bitch of a job, and it does cost alot, but I assure you, its more than worth it.
As far as the details...There's a ton of info on the forum...You'll find most everything by searching.
And thanks for everything that you guys and gals are doing over there for all of us. You have my utmost respect and honor. You guys are in my thoughts.
Get home safely
I know your gonna hear "I did it on milkcrates in overnight in my apartment and found all the parts on ebay for 500 bucks" stories, but here's my realistic take on it.
I completed my AT/MT swap in Aug 2004, doing all the work myself with a friend.
I'd say your looking at about 10-15 hours of labor and thats for a shop that knows 3rd Gen's.
Parts wise its ideal to find a local car thats being parted out and getting everything from the same source (with no shipping).
The clutch, flywheel, and ECU being the biggest dollar items that you have to make a decision on:
Aftermarket ECU = $500-1200
Aftermarket Clutch/FW = ~$1,000
Add those two costs to all the basic parts you'll need and it could add up quick. And thats not including the labor.
That said...My parts total (using new stock clutch, resurfaced flywheel) was just over $1,700.
It is by FAR one of the best mods you could ever do Auto FD.... I could not believe the difference in my car (although my auto had been slipping for a while). No more embarrassing spankings from Soccer Mom's in MiniVans at the stoplights
And I know it pulls harder in the midrange (40-120) than my old auto used to. 3rd gear is mighty sweet. The best part was the first ride my wife took in the car after the swap (she's logged many hours in the old auto). I did a street start WOT 1-2-3....she did the panic arm rest grab along with a repeating muffled "oh ****, oh ****, oh ****". You shoulda seen the smile on my face.
I've seen countless others try mod their auto FD's only to barely squeak out stock 5spd performance numbers (Chuck and other highend Auto FD's excluded)
It IS a bitch of a job, and it does cost alot, but I assure you, its more than worth it.
As far as the details...There's a ton of info on the forum...You'll find most everything by searching.
And thanks for everything that you guys and gals are doing over there for all of us. You have my utmost respect and honor. You guys are in my thoughts.
Get home safely
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12-07-04, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by unixpilot
Generally speaking, unless you find a shop that's done AT/MT conversions before you're probably gonna have a hard time finding someone that will sign up for it (unless of course you can throw gobs of money at them)
I know your gonna hear "I did it on milkcrates in overnight in my apartment and found all the parts on ebay for 500 bucks" stories, but here's my realistic take on it.
I completed my AT/MT swap in Aug 2004, doing all the work myself with a friend.
I'd say your looking at about 10-15 hours of labor and thats for a shop that knows 3rd Gen's.
Parts wise its ideal to find a local car thats being parted out and getting everything from the same source (with no shipping).
The clutch, flywheel, and ECU being the biggest dollar items that you have to make a decision on:
Aftermarket ECU = $500-1200
Aftermarket Clutch/FW = ~$1,000
Add those two costs to all the basic parts you'll need and it could add up quick. And thats not including the labor.
That said...My parts total (using new stock clutch, resurfaced flywheel) was just over $1,700.
It is by FAR one of the best mods you could ever do Auto FD.... I could not believe the difference in my car (although my auto had been slipping for a while). No more embarrassing spankings from Soccer Mom's in MiniVans at the stoplights
And I know it pulls harder in the midrange (40-120) than my old auto used to. 3rd gear is mighty sweet. The best part was the first ride my wife took in the car after the swap (she's logged many hours in the old auto). I did a street start WOT 1-2-3....she did the panic arm rest grab along with a repeating muffled "oh ****, oh ****, oh ****". You shoulda seen the smile on my face.
I've seen countless others try mod their auto FD's only to barely squeak out stock 5spd performance numbers (Chuck and other highend Auto FD's excluded)
It IS a bitch of a job, and it does cost alot, but I assure you, its more than worth it.
As far as the details...There's a ton of info on the forum...You'll find most everything by searching.
And thanks for everything that you guys and gals are doing over there for all of us. You have my utmost respect and honor. You guys are in my thoughts.
Get home safely
I know your gonna hear "I did it on milkcrates in overnight in my apartment and found all the parts on ebay for 500 bucks" stories, but here's my realistic take on it.
I completed my AT/MT swap in Aug 2004, doing all the work myself with a friend.
I'd say your looking at about 10-15 hours of labor and thats for a shop that knows 3rd Gen's.
Parts wise its ideal to find a local car thats being parted out and getting everything from the same source (with no shipping).
The clutch, flywheel, and ECU being the biggest dollar items that you have to make a decision on:
Aftermarket ECU = $500-1200
Aftermarket Clutch/FW = ~$1,000
Add those two costs to all the basic parts you'll need and it could add up quick. And thats not including the labor.
That said...My parts total (using new stock clutch, resurfaced flywheel) was just over $1,700.
It is by FAR one of the best mods you could ever do Auto FD.... I could not believe the difference in my car (although my auto had been slipping for a while). No more embarrassing spankings from Soccer Mom's in MiniVans at the stoplights
And I know it pulls harder in the midrange (40-120) than my old auto used to. 3rd gear is mighty sweet. The best part was the first ride my wife took in the car after the swap (she's logged many hours in the old auto). I did a street start WOT 1-2-3....she did the panic arm rest grab along with a repeating muffled "oh ****, oh ****, oh ****". You shoulda seen the smile on my face.
I've seen countless others try mod their auto FD's only to barely squeak out stock 5spd performance numbers (Chuck and other highend Auto FD's excluded)
It IS a bitch of a job, and it does cost alot, but I assure you, its more than worth it.
As far as the details...There's a ton of info on the forum...You'll find most everything by searching.
And thanks for everything that you guys and gals are doing over there for all of us. You have my utmost respect and honor. You guys are in my thoughts.
Get home safely
if you do it stock form it won't cost that much...
No one is asking how much it would cost to extremely MOD the car AND do a conversion.... they are simply asking for the convers which does not have a 500-1000 dollar computer.
12-07-04, 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ejmack1
You add a lot of aftermarket parts... which will cost a shitload...
if you do it stock form it won't cost that much...
No one is asking how much it would cost to extremely MOD the car AND do a conversion.... they are simply asking for the convers which does not have a 500-1000 dollar computer.
if you do it stock form it won't cost that much...
No one is asking how much it would cost to extremely MOD the car AND do a conversion.... they are simply asking for the convers which does not have a 500-1000 dollar computer.
As stated in my previous message using a new stock clutch and resurfaced flyweel my total parts cost was $1,700.
I guess I should have stated it more clearly...What I meant was those three items are generally ones that people "might" want to upgrade when doing the swap....
12-08-04, 12:49 AM
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A lot of aftermarket parts?? Extreme MOD's?? answering an unasked question!!!....Oh the humanity of it all!!!
As stated in my previous message using a new stock clutch and resurfaced flyweel my total parts cost was $1,700.
I guess I should have stated it more clearly...What I meant was those three items are generally ones that people "might" want to upgrade when doing the swap....
As stated in my previous message using a new stock clutch and resurfaced flyweel my total parts cost was $1,700.
I guess I should have stated it more clearly...What I meant was those three items are generally ones that people "might" want to upgrade when doing the swap....
when in reality it only gets expensive because of the more "extreme" mods (ie. fuel computer, high HP clutch, etc..)
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I spent a mighty penny on my swap, which still isnt complete but I did a lot of upgrades while in the process as well.
Trans, ACT S/S clutch(used), driveshaft, shifter, and starter
= $900
Racing Beat l.w. flywheel (used, new friction surface)
= $210
R1 clutch/brake pedal combo
= $150
Shifter rebuild + master & slave cyls and lines
= $130
Flywheel bolts, bellhousing bolts, driveshaft bolts, and starter bolts
= $60
About $1450 in parts, I'd say $1600 is a safe assumption in case I missed anything.
I did not opt to upgrade the rear-diff to 4.10 gears nor did I opt for manual guages... these are low priority and when I do upgrade the diff I'll go 4.30 Also when I got a manual ECU I bought an M2:Stage3, which I was also using with the auto before I started the swap, great ECU.
~Kris
Trans, ACT S/S clutch(used), driveshaft, shifter, and starter
= $900
Racing Beat l.w. flywheel (used, new friction surface)
= $210
R1 clutch/brake pedal combo
= $150
Shifter rebuild + master & slave cyls and lines
= $130
Flywheel bolts, bellhousing bolts, driveshaft bolts, and starter bolts
= $60
About $1450 in parts, I'd say $1600 is a safe assumption in case I missed anything.
I did not opt to upgrade the rear-diff to 4.10 gears nor did I opt for manual guages... these are low priority and when I do upgrade the diff I'll go 4.30
Also when I got a manual ECU I bought an M2:Stage3, which I was also using with the auto before I started the swap, great ECU.~Kris
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A shop did mine for $1200. It took about a week. Better to do it yourself or get someone you really trust, cause I got royally screwed with a bad ECU and some other miscellaneous BS.
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ejmack- sorry if it sounded like i am complaining, i am not at all, and I love what I do...i just dont always have the time to work on my own car....i even had to pay for an oil change once :o) sorry if i came off like a jackass...but i see a lot of these people who never intend to do anything waste space on this site...and i think the same thing you do...
unfortunatly, i see a lot of jerks who give people wrong information blabbing about something they know nothing about, just trying to build their posts, i mistook you for one of these people...sorry dude.
now i can rest easy knowing it should cost under 2 grand modified. thank you....and that link helped a bunch too...i missed that in my search efforts. thank you.
unfortunatly, i see a lot of jerks who give people wrong information blabbing about something they know nothing about, just trying to build their posts, i mistook you for one of these people...sorry dude.
now i can rest easy knowing it should cost under 2 grand modified. thank you....and that link helped a bunch too...i missed that in my search efforts. thank you.
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How many miles does your current auto have on it? It might be better to just go ahead and do a complete engine swap. It will cost about the same amount and will come with the ecu, wiring harness and extra parts.
Price from my shop for auto -> manual swap is generally retail parts cost + $800 for labor.
Retail cost for a 13B TT with a 5spd is 1600 from our supplier. (This is a whole front clip, pedals, clutch, flyweel, master/slave cylinder, ecu, wiring harness, any mods done to the car in japan, and extra parts come along with it for no extra cost) And the straight swap would only be about $900 and could be completed in 2 Days.
Price from my shop for auto -> manual swap is generally retail parts cost + $800 for labor.
Retail cost for a 13B TT with a 5spd is 1600 from our supplier. (This is a whole front clip, pedals, clutch, flyweel, master/slave cylinder, ecu, wiring harness, any mods done to the car in japan, and extra parts come along with it for no extra cost) And the straight swap would only be about $900 and could be completed in 2 Days.
12-09-04, 03:07 PM
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How many miles does your current auto have on it? It might be better to just go ahead and do a complete engine swap. It will cost about the same amount and will come with the ecu, wiring harness and extra parts.
Price from my shop for auto -> manual swap is generally retail parts cost + $800 for labor.
Retail cost for a 13B TT with a 5spd is 1600 from our supplier. (This is a whole front clip, pedals, clutch, flyweel, master/slave cylinder, ecu, wiring harness, any mods done to the car in japan, and extra parts come along with it for no extra cost) And the straight swap would only be about $900 and could be completed in 2 Days.
Price from my shop for auto -> manual swap is generally retail parts cost + $800 for labor.
Retail cost for a 13B TT with a 5spd is 1600 from our supplier. (This is a whole front clip, pedals, clutch, flyweel, master/slave cylinder, ecu, wiring harness, any mods done to the car in japan, and extra parts come along with it for no extra cost) And the straight swap would only be about $900 and could be completed in 2 Days.
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mich- i thought about it but my engine has about 10K on it. I have been heavily weighing the decision to get a street ported engine from RE...idk what i am going to do for an engine. part of me wants to wear this one out first... but i do know that i am doing an mtx 4.3 swap as soon as i find a good shop in cali. thank you all for your help.
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