If so, what are your thoughts? I've been looking at getting a set from HIDs4less, but I'm not sure if it'll wear on the alternator/battery/etc.

Basically, I need more input from folks who have run separate ignitor HIDs.

-E

 

Does anybody know if the whole stock lamp assembly is the same as a 6054 sealed beam assembly? A large part of the crappy light output is due to the horrible reflectors/lenses.

 

I am not running them, but I have seriously been considering HID's and I have done a fair amount of research. The HID's are supposed to be approx 35 watts, now I do not know about the losses for the power supply, but I will bet they are low, so you will most likely wind up drawing less current from your electricial system, which should be beneficial.

 

I agree with yellowbird. They should draw less than our stock bulbs at 55/60w. Some of those "blue" fake hid bulbs draw more current at 85w.

I think they will be fine. I'm just worried abou the cost and the poor OEM reflectors

Oh yeah the 6054 is the same size as H4

 

Add that to the list of questions. If I drop 700 bones to get the HID kit from them, I wanna make sure the brighter light actually gets reflected.

I'm very interested in this now that I know the wattage is less. My father-in-law (who I co-own the car with) is worried about draw. Looks like it's not an issue.

-E

 

They will draw less current for sure. Not an issue.

However, I think our cars use the dual filiment bulbs. (Only had car about a month so haven't really looked.) This means that going to HID4LESS will mean no high beams.

I may still go this route anyway.

 

I'm almost certain you are correct on this. We lose our high beams. But considering I'm running highbeams all the time and still getting about the same light I get out of my WRX lo-beams, I'm not considering it a true downside .

-E

 

I bought and installed the stage2 HID package from HIDS4LESS in March of this year. They are WAY WAY brighter than the stock halogens, but my beam pattern is a bit wacky due to the fact that the HID bulb is longer than the stock bulb and throws the reflector angles off.

I have a few crappy pictures of the difference the night I installed them if you want to take a look. If you can wait a week, my car should be back and I'll take some beam pattern pictures as well as sit my car next to a stock RX7 and snap a few pics.

All in all the HIDS4LESS package is good, and they did tell me they have plans for a dual filiment HID package soon, so you might want to inquire about that and hold off if it going to be a reality soon.

This is probably the best picture to show the difference in brightness:

The rest of the pics are here -
http://flathat.woodstream.net/RX7/HIDs
BTW, I got a new camera which all the rest of the pics on my site were taken with.

K

 

How badly does the screwy beam pattern compromise the light capacity? How much better/farther can you see at night with the HIDs?

I'd *love* some more pics when you get the chance.

I'll also inquire about the dual fitment package. Thanks for the heads up!

-E

 

It looks screwy like this - stock bulb pattern on drivers side, HID bulb pattern on passengers side. I thought at first I had somehow put the bulbs in upsidedown, but they only go in one way... -- unless of course there could be a left & right bulb ... hrm ... that one is still a mystery...

Oh, to answer your question - the screwy pattern doesn't wreck your ability to see, hell I could spot a possom in a tree from 300yds with these bulbs!!!

I haven't really tried playing around with spacers or anything to correct the beam pattern - I just aimed them down a bit to keep ppl from flashing me. With correct adjustment I can easily guestimate a 5 fold increase in visabilty over the stockers.

 

You sure that not a pic of a alien space craft landing on a small building!!!!!

lol

STEPHEN

 

Hey Nocab,

How much did they cost you?

John

 

nah, I'm pretty sure it is a picture of my garage door with a funky HID beam pattern shed upon it.
At least that is what I *thought* I was taking a picture of!!! lol

K

 

Stage one was $450,
Stage two was $850. (I got the stage2)

There are good comparision pics, etc on their site as well as a pretty good FAQ and stage1 vs stage2 pics.

http://www.hids4less.com


K

 

The stock FD housing cover is curved, so no one makes an upgrade for the housing. The HID upgrade does spread light a lot differently, but it lights up the road so much better you won't even notice. I have an upgrade for sale right now for $350 shipped.

 

holy crap that's bright!!! definitely the weakpoints of the car is the stock headlights

 

It's true that HID draws less current when in operation, but when you first turn them on there is a heavy draw as the ballasts 'spool' up.

I tried wiring my HID driving lights off the stock driving light harness, and the puny wiring could not handle it at start up. Only one ballast at a time could light up as that the skinny wiring would only allow enough current for one. (you could see one try to come on, but can't - wired each one at a time, and they came on with no problem).

With any HID solution, it's strongly recommended that a HD wire harness be wired specifically for the system, with a relay activated by the original headlamp harness.

H4 refers to the bulb type, and I've always been under the suspicion that the stock FD lamp assembly is simply a 6054 sealed beam asssembly modified to accept a replaceable H4 bulb.

So, assuming that a 6054 sealed beam lamp assembly can be dropped in place of the stock FD lamp assembly, I'm debating using a Sylvania Xenarc HID 6054 replacement lamp assembly that incorporates a second halogen bulb for high beam.

http://www.sylvania.com/xenarc/x60246054.htm

The Sylvania Xenarc system replaces both the reflector/lense assembly and the bulb (with a D2R), so may be a good solution. Don't have to worry about correct beam patterns/etc, plus 100% street legal. About $700 street.

I just am not too fond of the 'stock' look, and am waiting for RX7even to finish the 4 lamp kit....

 

hey thatoneguy, please e mail me about the lights for sale at rxshun7@hotmail.com. thanks.

 

Daniel, thanks for the info. I'll have to get educated a little more on what your post is talking about before I can make a full decision on what lights I'm gonna get. In other words, it's all greek to me. Gotta find out what you're talking about in layman's terms (AKA E-nut terms)

I'm curious about RX7even's project too, which seems to be moving along much more quickly than others here on the board (and with a much more palatable air of humilty as well ).

Thank D.,

-E

 

Thought I'd toss up a little update since my kit was mentioned. I have been VERY swamped here recently (I've gotten 4 hours sleep since last Saturday), and still havent had much of a chance to finish these. They are soooo close though, so I need to get with it. When I left off, I was at a point where I had no idea how to build one part of it, but it just popped in my head a couple days ago, so the first chance I get, they're getting finished, then all the little details go together and ..........

 

onelab lets see some pics of yr car next to a stock.

 

So were the connectors melted or the insulation scorched on the wiring? Skinny wiring + high draw = fire. I suggest some serious consideration about these things.

Dave

 

Quote:

Originally posted by dclin


With any HID solution, it's strongly recommended that a HD wire harness be wired specifically for the system, with a relay activated by the original headlamp harness.

The startup/ignite time is relatively short - 1 second, and not likely to cause anything to melt/etc, but it's highly recommended to have a thicker gauge harness to accomodate the heavier current draw, no matter how brief.

 

Well, taking a closer look at the stock lamps tonight - I'm pretty sure that the FD lamp assemblies are not interchangeable with 6054/6054 based systems. Not a perfect rectangle, narrows towards one end it looks. Damn.

This has been brought up before here, and there is a kit from Bellof Japan that supposedly replaces the entire lamp assembly (and the covers, with questionable ones with warts). At least it better, given the price.

http://www.bellof.co.jp/jp/product/c...tem/index.html

Of course, if RX7even ever finishes his kit... BTW, RX7even - I think you asked before - the Hella 90mm's are available in a HID version, though at roughly $600 per side - little pricey. Should be available from the same place you get the regular Hella 90mm's.

 

Just installed HID Hit in my 93FD with stock lenses.
Its definatly the way to go. I bought a set of those $30 blue tint simulated HID when I compaired them the HID it was about 3 times brighter. Also does draw less current.

My Kit is a dual lense. So I have brights and they are bright if you want to get attention.
The HID light has a flapper mirror that redirects some light up for brights.