Anyone running pop-up HIDs?
05-23-02, 12:28 PM
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Anyone running pop-up HIDs?
If so, what are your thoughts? I've been looking at getting a set from HIDs4less, but I'm not sure if it'll wear on the alternator/battery/etc.
Basically, I need more input from folks who have run separate ignitor HIDs.
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Basically, I need more input from folks who have run separate ignitor HIDs.
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05-23-02, 12:44 PM
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I am not running them, but I have seriously been considering HID's and I have done a fair amount of research. The HID's are supposed to be approx 35 watts, now I do not know about the losses for the power supply, but I will bet they are low, so you will most likely wind up drawing less current from your electricial system, which should be beneficial.
05-23-02, 01:17 PM
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I agree with yellowbird. They should draw less than our stock bulbs at 55/60w. Some of those "blue" fake hid bulbs draw more current at 85w.
I think they will be fine. I'm just worried abou the cost and the poor OEM reflectors
Oh yeah the 6054 is the same size as H4
I think they will be fine. I'm just worried abou the cost and the poor OEM reflectors
Oh yeah the 6054 is the same size as H4
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Originally posted by dclin
Does anybody know if the whole stock lamp assembly is the same as a 6054 sealed beam assembly? A large part of the crappy light output is due to the horrible reflectors/lenses.
Does anybody know if the whole stock lamp assembly is the same as a 6054 sealed beam assembly? A large part of the crappy light output is due to the horrible reflectors/lenses.
I'm very interested in this now that I know the wattage is less. My father-in-law (who I co-own the car with) is worried about draw. Looks like it's not an issue.
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They will draw less current for sure. Not an issue.
However, I think our cars use the dual filiment bulbs. (Only had car about a month so haven't really looked.) This means that going to HID4LESS will mean no high beams.
I may still go this route anyway.
However, I think our cars use the dual filiment bulbs. (Only had car about a month so haven't really looked.) This means that going to HID4LESS will mean no high beams.
I may still go this route anyway.
05-23-02, 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by xchaos
They will draw less current for sure. Not an issue.
However, I think our cars use the dual filiment bulbs. (Only had car about a month so haven't really looked.) This means that going to HID4LESS will mean no high beams.
I may still go this route anyway.
They will draw less current for sure. Not an issue.
However, I think our cars use the dual filiment bulbs. (Only had car about a month so haven't really looked.) This means that going to HID4LESS will mean no high beams.
I may still go this route anyway.
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I bought and installed the stage2 HID package from HIDS4LESS in March of this year. They are WAY WAY brighter than the stock halogens, but my beam pattern is a bit wacky due to the fact that the HID bulb is longer than the stock bulb and throws the reflector angles off.
I have a few crappy pictures of the difference the night I installed them if you want to take a look. If you can wait a week, my car should be back and I'll take some beam pattern pictures as well as sit my car next to a stock RX7 and snap a few pics.
All in all the HIDS4LESS package is good, and they did tell me they have plans for a dual filiment HID package soon, so you might want to inquire about that and hold off if it going to be a reality soon.
This is probably the best picture to show the difference in brightness:
The rest of the pics are here -
http://flathat.woodstream.net/RX7/HIDs
BTW, I got a new camera which all the rest of the pics on my site were taken with.
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I have a few crappy pictures of the difference the night I installed them if you want to take a look. If you can wait a week, my car should be back and I'll take some beam pattern pictures as well as sit my car next to a stock RX7 and snap a few pics.
All in all the HIDS4LESS package is good, and they did tell me they have plans for a dual filiment HID package soon, so you might want to inquire about that and hold off if it going to be a reality soon.
This is probably the best picture to show the difference in brightness:
The rest of the pics are here -
http://flathat.woodstream.net/RX7/HIDs
BTW, I got a new camera which all the rest of the pics on my site were taken with.
K
05-23-02, 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by nocab72
I bought and installed the stage2 HID package from HIDS4LESS in March of this year. They are WAY WAY brighter than the stock halogens, but my beam pattern is a bit wacky due to the fact that the HID bulb is longer than the stock bulb and throws the reflector angles off.
I bought and installed the stage2 HID package from HIDS4LESS in March of this year. They are WAY WAY brighter than the stock halogens, but my beam pattern is a bit wacky due to the fact that the HID bulb is longer than the stock bulb and throws the reflector angles off.
I'd *love* some more pics when you get the chance.
I'll also inquire about the dual fitment package. Thanks for the heads up!
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05-23-02, 03:32 PM
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It looks screwy like this - stock bulb pattern on drivers side, HID bulb pattern on passengers side. I thought at first I had somehow put the bulbs in upsidedown, but they only go in one way... 
-- unless of course there could be a left & right bulb ... hrm ... that one is still a mystery...
Oh, to answer your question - the screwy pattern doesn't wreck your ability to see, hell I could spot a possom in a tree from 300yds with these bulbs!!!
I haven't really tried playing around with spacers or anything to correct the beam pattern - I just aimed them down a bit to keep ppl from flashing me. With correct adjustment I can easily guestimate a 5 fold increase in visabilty over the stockers.
-- unless of course there could be a left & right bulb ... hrm ... that one is still a mystery... Oh, to answer your question - the screwy pattern doesn't wreck your ability to see, hell I could spot a possom in a tree from 300yds with these bulbs!!!
I haven't really tried playing around with spacers or anything to correct the beam pattern - I just aimed them down a bit to keep ppl from flashing me. With correct adjustment I can easily guestimate a 5 fold increase in visabilty over the stockers.
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nah, I'm pretty sure it is a picture of my garage door with a funky HID beam pattern shed upon it.
At least that is what I *thought* I was taking a picture of!!! lol
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At least that is what I *thought* I was taking a picture of!!! lol
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05-23-02, 04:09 PM
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Stage one was $450,
Stage two was $850. (I got the stage2)
There are good comparision pics, etc on their site as well as a pretty good FAQ and stage1 vs stage2 pics.
http://www.hids4less.com
K
Stage two was $850. (I got the stage2)
There are good comparision pics, etc on their site as well as a pretty good FAQ and stage1 vs stage2 pics.
http://www.hids4less.com
K
Originally posted by jpandes
Hey Nocab,
How much did they cost you?
John
Hey Nocab,
How much did they cost you?
John
05-23-02, 05:14 PM
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The stock FD housing cover is curved, so no one makes an upgrade for the housing. The HID upgrade does spread light a lot differently, but it lights up the road so much better you won't even notice. I have an upgrade for sale right now for $350 shipped.
05-23-02, 06:15 PM
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It's true that HID draws less current when in operation, but when you first turn them on there is a heavy draw as the ballasts 'spool' up.
I tried wiring my HID driving lights off the stock driving light harness, and the puny wiring could not handle it at start up. Only one ballast at a time could light up as that the skinny wiring would only allow enough current for one. (you could see one try to come on, but can't - wired each one at a time, and they came on with no problem).
With any HID solution, it's strongly recommended that a HD wire harness be wired specifically for the system, with a relay activated by the original headlamp harness.
H4 refers to the bulb type, and I've always been under the suspicion that the stock FD lamp assembly is simply a 6054 sealed beam asssembly modified to accept a replaceable H4 bulb.
So, assuming that a 6054 sealed beam lamp assembly can be dropped in place of the stock FD lamp assembly, I'm debating using a Sylvania Xenarc HID 6054 replacement lamp assembly that incorporates a second halogen bulb for high beam.
http://www.sylvania.com/xenarc/x60246054.htm
The Sylvania Xenarc system replaces both the reflector/lense assembly and the bulb (with a D2R), so may be a good solution. Don't have to worry about correct beam patterns/etc, plus 100% street legal. About $700 street.
I just am not too fond of the 'stock' look, and am waiting for RX7even to finish the 4 lamp kit....
I tried wiring my HID driving lights off the stock driving light harness, and the puny wiring could not handle it at start up. Only one ballast at a time could light up as that the skinny wiring would only allow enough current for one. (you could see one try to come on, but can't - wired each one at a time, and they came on with no problem).
With any HID solution, it's strongly recommended that a HD wire harness be wired specifically for the system, with a relay activated by the original headlamp harness.
H4 refers to the bulb type, and I've always been under the suspicion that the stock FD lamp assembly is simply a 6054 sealed beam asssembly modified to accept a replaceable H4 bulb.
So, assuming that a 6054 sealed beam lamp assembly can be dropped in place of the stock FD lamp assembly, I'm debating using a Sylvania Xenarc HID 6054 replacement lamp assembly that incorporates a second halogen bulb for high beam.
http://www.sylvania.com/xenarc/x60246054.htm
The Sylvania Xenarc system replaces both the reflector/lense assembly and the bulb (with a D2R), so may be a good solution. Don't have to worry about correct beam patterns/etc, plus 100% street legal. About $700 street.
I just am not too fond of the 'stock' look, and am waiting for RX7even to finish the 4 lamp kit....
05-23-02, 08:41 PM
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hey thatoneguy, please e mail me about the lights for sale at rxshun7@hotmail.com. thanks.
05-23-02, 10:39 PM
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Originally posted by dclin
It's true that HID draws less current when in operation, but when you first turn them on there is a heavy draw as the ballasts 'spool' up.
I tried wiring my HID driving lights off the stock driving light harness, and the puny wiring could not handle it at start up. Only one ballast at a time could light up as that the skinny wiring would only allow enough current for one. (you could see one try to come on, but can't - wired each one at a time, and they came on with no problem).
With any HID solution, it's strongly recommended that a HD wire harness be wired specifically for the system, with a relay activated by the original headlamp harness.
H4 refers to the bulb type, and I've always been under the suspicion that the stock FD lamp assembly is simply a 6054 sealed beam asssembly modified to accept a replaceable H4 bulb.
So, assuming that a 6054 sealed beam lamp assembly can be dropped in place of the stock FD lamp assembly, I'm debating using a Sylvania Xenarc HID 6054 replacement lamp assembly that incorporates a second halogen bulb for high beam.
http://www.sylvania.com/xenarc/x60246054.htm
The Sylvania Xenarc system replaces both the reflector/lense assembly and the bulb (with a D2R), so may be a good solution. Don't have to worry about correct beam patterns/etc, plus 100% street legal. About $700 street.
I just am not too fond of the 'stock' look, and am waiting for RX7even to finish the 4 lamp kit....
It's true that HID draws less current when in operation, but when you first turn them on there is a heavy draw as the ballasts 'spool' up.
I tried wiring my HID driving lights off the stock driving light harness, and the puny wiring could not handle it at start up. Only one ballast at a time could light up as that the skinny wiring would only allow enough current for one. (you could see one try to come on, but can't - wired each one at a time, and they came on with no problem).
With any HID solution, it's strongly recommended that a HD wire harness be wired specifically for the system, with a relay activated by the original headlamp harness.
H4 refers to the bulb type, and I've always been under the suspicion that the stock FD lamp assembly is simply a 6054 sealed beam asssembly modified to accept a replaceable H4 bulb.
So, assuming that a 6054 sealed beam lamp assembly can be dropped in place of the stock FD lamp assembly, I'm debating using a Sylvania Xenarc HID 6054 replacement lamp assembly that incorporates a second halogen bulb for high beam.
http://www.sylvania.com/xenarc/x60246054.htm
The Sylvania Xenarc system replaces both the reflector/lense assembly and the bulb (with a D2R), so may be a good solution. Don't have to worry about correct beam patterns/etc, plus 100% street legal. About $700 street.
I just am not too fond of the 'stock' look, and am waiting for RX7even to finish the 4 lamp kit....
I'm curious about RX7even's project too, which seems to be moving along much more quickly than others here on the board (and with a much more palatable air of humilty as well
).Thank D.,
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Thought I'd toss up a little update since my kit was mentioned. I have been VERY swamped here recently (I've gotten 4 hours sleep since last Saturday), and still havent had much of a chance to finish these. They are soooo close though, so I need to get with it. When I left off, I was at a point where I had no idea how to build one part of it, but it just popped in my head a couple days ago, so the first chance I get, they're getting finished, then all the little details go together and ..........
I have been VERY swamped here recently (I've gotten 4 hours sleep since last Saturday), and still havent had much of a chance to finish these. They are soooo close though, so I need to get with it. When I left off, I was at a point where I had no idea how to build one part of it, but it just popped in my head a couple days ago, so the first chance I get, they're getting finished, then all the little details go together and ..........
05-24-02, 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by dclin
It's true that HID draws less current when in operation, but when you first turn them on there is a heavy draw as the ballasts 'spool' up.
I tried wiring my HID driving lights off the stock driving light harness, and the puny wiring could not handle it at start up. Only one ballast at a time could light up as that the skinny wiring would only allow enough current for one. (you could see one try to come on, but can't - wired each one at a time, and they came on with no problem).
It's true that HID draws less current when in operation, but when you first turn them on there is a heavy draw as the ballasts 'spool' up.
I tried wiring my HID driving lights off the stock driving light harness, and the puny wiring could not handle it at start up. Only one ballast at a time could light up as that the skinny wiring would only allow enough current for one. (you could see one try to come on, but can't - wired each one at a time, and they came on with no problem).
Dave
05-24-02, 09:27 PM
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Originally posted by dgeesaman
So were the connectors melted or the insulation scorched on the wiring? Skinny wiring + high draw = fire. I suggest some serious consideration about these things.
Dave
So were the connectors melted or the insulation scorched on the wiring? Skinny wiring + high draw = fire. I suggest some serious consideration about these things.
Dave
Originally posted by dclin
With any HID solution, it's strongly recommended that a HD wire harness be wired specifically for the system, with a relay activated by the original headlamp harness.
With any HID solution, it's strongly recommended that a HD wire harness be wired specifically for the system, with a relay activated by the original headlamp harness.
The startup/ignite time is relatively short - 1 second, and not likely to cause anything to melt/etc, but it's highly recommended to have a thicker gauge harness to accomodate the heavier current draw, no matter how brief.
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05-25-02, 01:19 AM
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Well, taking a closer look at the stock lamps tonight - I'm pretty sure that the FD lamp assemblies are not interchangeable with 6054/6054 based systems. Not a perfect rectangle, narrows towards one end it looks. Damn.
This has been brought up before here, and there is a kit from Bellof Japan that supposedly replaces the entire lamp assembly (and the covers, with questionable ones with warts). At least it better, given the price.
http://www.bellof.co.jp/jp/product/c...tem/index.html
Of course, if RX7even ever finishes his kit... BTW, RX7even - I think you asked before - the Hella 90mm's are available in a HID version, though at roughly $600 per side - little pricey. Should be available from the same place you get the regular Hella 90mm's.
This has been brought up before here, and there is a kit from Bellof Japan that supposedly replaces the entire lamp assembly (and the covers, with questionable ones with warts). At least it better, given the price.
http://www.bellof.co.jp/jp/product/c...tem/index.html
Of course, if RX7even ever finishes his kit...
BTW, RX7even - I think you asked before - the Hella 90mm's are available in a HID version, though at roughly $600 per side - little pricey. Should be available from the same place you get the regular Hella 90mm's.
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HID Lights in 93FD
Just installed HID Hit in my 93FD with stock lenses.
Its definatly the way to go. I bought a set of those $30 blue tint simulated HID when I compaired them the HID it was about 3 times brighter. Also does draw less current.
My Kit is a dual lense. So I have brights and they are bright if you want to get attention.
The HID light has a flapper mirror that redirects some light up for brights.
Its definatly the way to go. I bought a set of those $30 blue tint simulated HID when I compaired them the HID it was about 3 times brighter. Also does draw less current.
My Kit is a dual lense. So I have brights and they are bright if you want to get attention.
The HID light has a flapper mirror that redirects some light up for brights.