3rd Generation Specific (1993-2002) 1993-2002 Discussion including performance modifications and Technical Support Sections.
Sponsored by:

Any 13b longblocks from mazda / shops available and not backordered?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 19, 2023 | 03:29 PM
  #26  
F1blueRx7's Avatar
Couldn't stay away
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 5,084
Likes: 153
From: Defuniak Springs, FL

crowe.ray@aol.com

703-785-5554

But get it from Tomsn if he has one now, good guy to deal with, I've bought parts from him before. My 2 cents on this: I buy OEM parts from Ray, especially engines. Because adding resellers into the mix presents two problems. 1: You're beholden to the middleman for warranty, parts status, and problems. 2. With Ray, you're dealing directly with a Mazda USA and their dealer network. You can read the horror stories in this forum regarding the issues of using a third party to order the same thing you can buy yourself directly from Mazda. Not all resellers are bad.
Reply
Old Sep 19, 2023 | 07:41 PM
  #27  
fendamonky's Avatar
F'n Newbie...
Tenured Member: 15 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,942
Likes: 323
From: Nokesville, Va
^ in addition to that, Ray knows the part number of practically every FD part off the top of his head. Even if you don't know the past number or proper name for something, just describe it to him and he'll most likely know exactly what it is and the correct part number for it.

The man is absolutely invaluable!
Reply
Old Sep 19, 2023 | 10:10 PM
  #28  
TeamRX8's Avatar
10000 RPM Lane
Tenured Member: 15 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,740
Likes: 924
From: on the rev limiter
Originally Posted by ZE Power MX6
Man I wish I can buy it without shipping and tax! That would be $4200 for the engine.
quite a few years ago maybe ….
.
Reply
Old Sep 20, 2023 | 03:56 AM
  #29  
theunitedforge's Avatar
Thread Starter
Snakecharmer
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2023
Posts: 70
Likes: 2
From: Virginia
Originally Posted by F1blueRx7

crowe.ray@aol.com

703-785-5554

But get it from Tomsn if he has one now, good guy to deal with, I've bought parts from him before. My 2 cents on this: I buy OEM parts from Ray, especially engines. Because adding resellers into the mix presents two problems. 1: You're beholden to the middleman for warranty, parts status, and problems. 2. With Ray, you're dealing directly with a Mazda USA and their dealer network. You can read the horror stories in this forum regarding the issues of using a third party to order the same thing you can buy yourself directly from Mazda. Not all resellers are bad.
thanks for the wise insight there, and contact <3
Reply
Old Sep 20, 2023 | 09:15 AM
  #30  
ZE Power MX6's Avatar
Boilermakers!
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (169)
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 3,767
Likes: 375
From: Chicago, IL
Originally Posted by TeamRX8
quite a few years ago maybe ….
.
That's current price.
Reply
Old Sep 20, 2023 | 09:40 AM
  #31  
theunitedforge's Avatar
Thread Starter
Snakecharmer
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2023
Posts: 70
Likes: 2
From: Virginia
Originally Posted by ZE Power MX6
That's current price.
spoke to him today, its 5200+ shipping, and takes about a month to get
Reply
Old Sep 20, 2023 | 09:52 AM
  #32  
ZE Power MX6's Avatar
Boilermakers!
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (169)
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 3,767
Likes: 375
From: Chicago, IL
Originally Posted by theunitedforge
spoke to him today, its 5200+ shipping, and takes about a month to get
That’s the correct pricing from Ray, I didn’t order from Ray tho
Reply
Old Sep 20, 2023 | 10:19 AM
  #33  
theunitedforge's Avatar
Thread Starter
Snakecharmer
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2023
Posts: 70
Likes: 2
From: Virginia
Originally Posted by ZE Power MX6
That’s the correct pricing from Ray, I didn’t order from Ray tho
do tell ^.^ did you just contact nucar in DE?
Reply
Old Sep 20, 2023 | 10:48 AM
  #34  
fendamonky's Avatar
F'n Newbie...
Tenured Member: 15 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,942
Likes: 323
From: Nokesville, Va
Originally Posted by theunitedforge
do tell ^.^ did you just contact nucar in DE?
No, you contact Ray Crowe and order it through him. Ray charges you through their account and ships it through their shipping center.
Reply
Old Sep 30, 2023 | 01:56 AM
  #35  
TeamRX8's Avatar
10000 RPM Lane
Tenured Member: 15 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,740
Likes: 924
From: on the rev limiter
Originally Posted by ZE Power MX6
That’s the correct pricing from Ray, I didn’t order from Ray tho

it looks like Motorsports lowered the racer price back to $4,900

but I suppose that begs the question of whether you’re in Japan, or if you ordered it from Japan then how much was the shipping cost?

because in the USA $4,200 seems like less than wholesale cost. I’m not entirely sure though, or if you’re a Mazda employee and qualify for special pricing?
.
Reply
Old Oct 2, 2023 | 01:11 PM
  #36  
j9fd3s's Avatar
Moderator
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 31,796
Likes: 3,210
From: https://www2.mazda.com/en/100th/
Originally Posted by Banzai-Racing
Mazdacomp will not even sell one right now, all sales are restricted as they are about to have a massive price increase
you were not kidding! suggested retail went from $7282.94 to $13,546.89. i guess someone doesn't want to sell these anymore!
Reply
Old Oct 2, 2023 | 02:03 PM
  #37  
Banzai-Racing's Avatar
Rotary Specialists
Tenured Member: 15 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 4,867
Likes: 343
From: Indiana
Originally Posted by j9fd3s
you were not kidding! suggested retail went from $7282.94 to $13,546.89. i guess someone doesn't want to sell these anymore!
Unfortunately I wasn't. N3G1-02-200 is no longer available to order on Mazda Motorsports either as of today. Maybe a new part number with the new price?
Reply
Old Oct 2, 2023 | 02:47 PM
  #38  
j9fd3s's Avatar
Moderator
Community Builder
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 31,796
Likes: 3,210
From: https://www2.mazda.com/en/100th/
Originally Posted by Banzai-Racing
Unfortunately I wasn't. N3G1-02-200 is no longer available to order on Mazda Motorsports either as of today. Maybe a new part number with the new price?
that would be nice. it looks like it happened like today, so its too soon to see if this is USA only, or everyone
Reply
Old Oct 2, 2023 | 03:57 PM
  #39  
ZE Power MX6's Avatar
Boilermakers!
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (169)
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 3,767
Likes: 375
From: Chicago, IL
In the past USA has been given the lower price compare to everywhere else in the world even in Japan, now looks like we have to pay the same. Glad I ordered more before this happen, thanks Chris for the heads up!
Reply
Old Oct 2, 2023 | 07:31 PM
  #40  
fendamonky's Avatar
F'n Newbie...
Tenured Member: 15 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,942
Likes: 323
From: Nokesville, Va
Originally Posted by j9fd3s
you were not kidding! suggested retail went from $7282.94 to $13,546.89. i guess someone doesn't want to sell these anymore!
That's gunna suck for the folks waiting on an engine from IRP.. that's one HELL of a price jump! Especially hard to swallow for somebody that already paid upfront a few years ago and hasn't received their engines yet.
Reply
Old Oct 2, 2023 | 07:40 PM
  #41  
Banzai-Racing's Avatar
Rotary Specialists
Tenured Member: 15 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 4,867
Likes: 343
From: Indiana
Just confirmed with Ray, his sales price is now over $9k.

I just got off the phone with Mazda Motorsports and they are not selling them any longer.

Last edited by Banzai-Racing; Oct 3, 2023 at 10:22 AM.
Reply
Old Oct 3, 2023 | 03:24 PM
  #42  
1badFB's Avatar
GSSL-SE
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 1,381
Likes: 238
From: Canada
Jeez. Do we think engine parts are next? Time to stock up on housings/etc?
Reply
Old Oct 3, 2023 | 06:41 PM
  #43  
Whizbang's Avatar
Respecognize!
Tenured Member 20 Years
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 4,106
Likes: 72
From: Anchor Bay, CA
ill be curious how this shapes up for other parts.
Reply
Old Oct 4, 2023 | 10:22 AM
  #44  
TeamRX8's Avatar
10000 RPM Lane
Tenured Member: 15 Years
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,740
Likes: 924
From: on the rev limiter
glad I bought all the major parts separately earlier this year

the only problem now is the engine guy is in the same boat and not taking any new orders

so clearly we still haven’t peaked wrt the post-covid impact reality, now with the political impact reality ramping up, the next 12 - 18 months should be concerning to anyone not living under a rock …
.
Reply
Old Oct 14, 2023 | 12:04 AM
  #45  
theunitedforge's Avatar
Thread Starter
Snakecharmer
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2023
Posts: 70
Likes: 2
From: Virginia
time to abandon this dead platform and swap to 2jz, at that price you have to be a fool...
Reply
Old Oct 14, 2023 | 05:05 PM
  #46  
TwinCharged RX7's Avatar
Built Not Bought
Tenured Member: 15 Years
Top Answer: 1
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 4,389
Likes: 962
From: Stamford, CT
Originally Posted by theunitedforge
time to abandon this dead platform and swap to 2jz, at that price you have to be a fool...
why are you on an rx7 forum? If the rotary is dead because an assembled engine costs $13k, then the 2jz is also in the same category. It’s not exactly a common swap anymore unless you are a drifter, and even then it’s becoming less common.
Reply
Old Oct 14, 2023 | 08:18 PM
  #47  
theunitedforge's Avatar
Thread Starter
Snakecharmer
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2023
Posts: 70
Likes: 2
From: Virginia
Originally Posted by TwinCharged RX7
why are you on an rx7 forum? If the rotary is dead because an assembled engine costs $13k, then the 2jz is also in the same category. It’s not exactly a common swap anymore unless you are a drifter, and even then it’s becoming less common.
the main issue here is that you will do 4-5 rebuilds in the lifespan of one- 2jz, maybe even more, trying to make the same power that a 2jz does on stock block.... Also the transmission is light years ahead of the 13b's in terms of capability and upgrades. And the scope of people who can work on these because its a piston engine is much greater, and we are not forced to deal with shady companies.. Also, billet by pac exists, and if we are going to these price levels then billet will soon become a topic of conversation, i am a financial analyst and I could tell theres a problem occuring in this sector, when i posted originally was the best time to buy.

For the record ive just sourced each part individually, if it costs 13k for a basically reman from mazda titled as "New" but has burnt exhaust ports and showing signs of use, then buying all the parts individually, only costs about 8k and you know its BRAND NEW and assembled to how you want it

Last edited by theunitedforge; Oct 14, 2023 at 09:23 PM.
Reply
Old Oct 14, 2023 | 08:36 PM
  #48  
TwinCharged RX7's Avatar
Built Not Bought
Tenured Member: 15 Years
Top Answer: 1
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 4,389
Likes: 962
From: Stamford, CT
If you build and tune it right, you will not go through 5 motors within a JZ lifespan. No need to spread useless misinformation here, there is already enough of that.

Also, you show your lack of knowledge by saying the 2j transmission is "light years" ahead of a 13b. Both engines have been paired with multiple transmissions. There are at least 8 different trans that came attached to a 2jz.

If you are speaking to a 6 speed gertrag, it is stout, but it's old technology so "light years ahead" is just nonsense. And $10k for a used transmission? no thanks. Much better options available in this century.

And not sure what you are calling "questionable". I think it's actually a good thing that Mazda tests the engines before shipping. "Burnt exhaust ports", give me a break.

Last edited by TwinCharged RX7; Oct 14, 2023 at 08:41 PM.
Reply
Old Oct 14, 2023 | 08:42 PM
  #49  
R-R-Rx7's Avatar
Rotor or no motor
Tenured Member: 15 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 3,731
Likes: 492
From: Limassol, CYPRUS
Do all the supporting mods and tune it right and it will last A LOT longer than you expect.
i am on my 11th year now with tons of power at ~30 psi and thousands of track miles and street miles
Reply
Old Oct 14, 2023 | 08:44 PM
  #50  
theunitedforge's Avatar
Thread Starter
Snakecharmer
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2023
Posts: 70
Likes: 2
From: Virginia
Originally Posted by TwinCharged RX7
If you build and tune it right, you will not go through 5 motors within a JZ lifespan. No need to spread useless misinformation here, there is already enough of that.
Wish it was misinformation, there's no amount of mechanical or electrical tuning that can make these engines hold as much, or, for as long as a jz in power or torque at the same build levels, at a full blown peripheral port, your making around 700, the jz does this without changing any internals...

I use previous racers like Len bacon , pac racing, and mazdas own racing team for inspiration and data... In terms of raw power its simply not the same, and the powerband is much different, a peripheral port isn't street-able, where as a 600-800hp 2jz , most definitely is and your biggest concern would be traction.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:30 AM.