manatecu

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A guy that works with me used to work for a manufacture that made air bags. He told me a while back when I was asking what would happen if I detonated my bag. He told me it would blast off like a rocket and it did. It also sounded like a bomb when it detonated. He told me the material used most often is a derivative of C-4. The reason they use it is for stability inside the car can be a harsh environment. This sodium stuff could be what you are talking about. The only problem using this stuff as a weapon is it would require alot of bags. Air bag Black Market

I am not an expert but I did detonate mine and it was fun and loud. The point is I do not want that coming at my body in a little car if I am in a wreck and have a seat belt on.

Chris

greenhornetfd3s

why dont you go out and by four point harnesses or get a roll cage if you are that worried about crashing. There are some four points that don't require a cage you just bolt them to the frame and your secure.

i'm purchasing a cusco 10 point cage with extra bars and custom welding and Bride Zeta carbon fibre racing seats and Kei Office 5 point harnesses.

but then again i'm not planning on testing it out or anything.

hahaha

the_glass_man

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Airbags are
The only thing I like airbags on are some of my girls.

Crashunit

Ok enough with the **** talk , I like peace of mind, but it seems like most of the forum think airbags are useless . But my matto is "better safe then sorry." I have had many cases where air bags have saved the lives of most of my friends flying out the window, and be sides that, I have a CF/FG hood and bumper, not much to absorb any impact, so sure its all nice to have a Sparco race steering wheel, but when **** goes wrong, I'd like to still be able to walk away. And as for the roll cage, I like to keep my car more accessable for people to get in and out of.

fdracer

better safe than sorry? have you not been reading this thread at all? how about all the people that have said that it did them more harm than good? a ******* paramedic even admitted that they don't do ****. fine, if you want a ******* bomb exploding in your face go right ahead. and how does a front airbag keep you from flying out the window?

Crashunit

Hello?!!!

I started this thread remember? Of course I read this thread. Do you think I really go by everything that is stated on the forum? This is an open site where anybody can post anything they want. Points and Opinions on this forum are all based on personal knowledge or regurgitated information. I asked a simple question on where people place their air bag sensors on their aftermarket bumpers, and of course this lead to other issues, which is fine. But if you think reading everything on the internet is true you need to get out more often. I base my knowledge on personal experience and information that I have read in books written by valid PHD researchers, I use the forum as a tool to accommodate that. If you look as this forum as a site of Facts, you are way off.

Well for one thing if you know anything about air bags, they are suppose to keep the driver or passenger in place during impact, thus avoid injury from hitting the dash, whiplash, and so forth. Plus most air bags are large enough to block you in completely from being thrown out the windshield. So don’t ask stupid questions about things you don’t understand, kid.

Anyways all automobile companies now employ air bag systems in their car to prevent injuries for a reason, and I plan to keep it that way too. There's a difference between a trailer queen and a daily driver. My car is not a trailer queen.

BTW, this is the second rude remark you have made in two of my post whats your problem? Mommy won't let you go outside and play?

saxyman990

My personal opinion is that Air Bags have kinda gotten a bad rap. True, sometimes it causes more problems than it prevents. But I think most people just hear these horror stories, and never stop to listen to how air bags have helped some people.

My sister was involved in a pretty big wreck about 2 years ago. She was driving a 95 (I think. May have been a 96) Ford Escort. She was cruising on the expressway in Michigan, a guy cut her off, she swerved, hit a patch of black ice, lost control, spun the car about 3 times, and had a front end collision with the concrete pillar to an overpass. The car smacked the pillar pretty good, and then rolled once and slid across all 3 lanes of traffic before comming to rest in the median. She was wearing her seat belt.

The crazy thing about all of this was that her belt broke where it was connected to the floorboard. The medics and professionals at the scene stated that the only thing that saved her life was the Air Bag. I was following behind her, so I saw the whole thing happen. It freaked the hell out of me because the wreck almost didn't look like it was survivable for a race car driver with a helmet and 5point harness. Yet, somehow she managed to come away from it with a couple of broken bones, some scrapes, bruises, and a desire to move to southern florida for the rest of the winter. I've got some pics of the car at the salvage yard someplace. Let me see if I can dig them up...

Oh yeah, and if anyone's curious, I have NO plans to remove my air bag.

Rob

fdracer

books by valid phd researchers? are you ******* stupid? i am a phd you *****. i do research for a living and the first thing you learn is for every finding supposedly proven from a study there are two studies that "prove" the opposite. that's why in court the prosecution and defense both have a team of scientists claiming the opposite things, yet they can both be considered technically correct. and what makes a phd researcher valid as opposed to invalid?

the fact is you don't know **** about airbags. they in no way are design to keep you in place. they're original designation was to lower the impulse that your body udergoes during an accident. impulse is defined as change in momentum divided by time. what engineers tried to do is increase the length of time that a force is being applied to the body by applying a cushion to your forward motion. what they didn't take into account is that airbags deploy at such a explosive force that they actually cause more harm than good. that's why airbags today deploy at a slower rate. once again they're not designed to keep you from flying out a window or your windsheild. please be a little more informed before you go trying to school people about **** you obviously don't know anything about.

Donovan

I find it hard to believe that a Person with a doctoral degree would incorrectly punctuate Ph.D., not indent the first line of a paragraph, not capitalize the first word in a sentence or "I." Also misspell undergoes and windshield, use "a" in front of explosive, and use so much profanity.

fdracer

yeah, i know. me no ****** believe it myself sometime. anyway, i wanna apologize crashunit, you're entitled to your opinion.

sexxy7

Man CRASHUNIT, AWESOME looking FD!! Great Job!!

manatecu

iTrader: (6)

I understand that you would not trust everyone on the net but I have no reason to lie to you. See the picture attached. If you don't believe that is my car search my screen name. What I am trying to tell you is that I have rarely seen an example of where an airbag has helped in such a small car. I have seen plenty of wrecks and the only cases where the bag really helps is in the event of a freak accident "Saxyman", or if you are not wearing a seat belt. They do tend to help in larger SUV's and trucks because of all the extra slack in the seatbelt and seats. They do help prevent you from exiting through the driver side window of these larger vechicles. Everyone keeps talking about these new modern seat belts well most of our cars are 10 years old and we have the older high velocity bags that will brake your neck, nose, jaw, or just burn the **** out of you. I highly recommend getting rid of the bags and getting 4 point belts if you want safety but you are going to do what you want.

chris

The plate keeps the cops off, works like gold.

Crashunit

Because you apologized I will refrain from commenting on your post above that one, and I am just not in the mood to deal with another ***** on the forum. But for someone who supposedly has a PHD is anything, your language and rude remarks really me believe you have anything higher then an elementary education. But there’s my little tap back, so we can leave it at that if you wish, and I accept your apology. Just try to be a little bit less crude when speaking to someone you especially do not know anything about nexttime.

Crashunit

No I never implied that you were lying or anything, and I take all your statments into concideration. I have also heard my horror stories of bad air bags as well, but I run my car extremly hard and do alot of crazy things with it sometimes, so "self conciously" I think the Air Bag is an added bonus. I dont mind a broken nose or burns as long as I live thru it. But I have taken all of everyone's points into concideration. BTW I Love the plate, I also know you have a front one your not wearing, so why not sell it to me . Thanks for advice and experience tho too.

pomanferrari

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Manatecu. It's not C-4. C-4 is too powerful. Here's why from http://www.sdearthtimes.com/et0800/et0800s9.html

Sodium azide tablets are stacked like small hockey pucks in two-inch-diameter metal canisters inside airbags. The driver-side airbag can is about 1 and 1/2 inches long and holds about 50 grams of sodium azide. The passenger-side airbag can is about six inches long and holds about 200 grams to inflate a bag big enough to fill the front-seat passenger area.

On impact, an electromechanical trigger heats sodium azide to explosively decompose, forming nitrogen gas - the main constituent of the air we breathe and metallic sodium. Additives like silica or iron oxide sometimes are used to scavenge the metallic sodium, which could cause burns.

There are no regulations requiring the detonation of airbags when cars are scrapped - "a smart way, I think, to get rid of this stuff," Betterton said. Scrap yard operators can remove car airbags and set them aside to accumulate in junk yards. Or, they are left in cars as they rot on the lot. Even worse, they are sent along with cars through crushers, and worst of all, wet crushers. The airbag canisters could be smashed, spilling sodium azide over the ground and generating sodium azide dust.

In laboratory experiments at the University of Arizona, Betterton and his students tested how readily sodium azide oxidizes (combines with oxygen) when exposed to some environmental oxidants that may be found in water, such as hydrogen peroxide, an ingredient in natural rainwater, and ozone, a very powerful oxidant in the atmosphere.

Oxidation is one way sodium azide degrades in the environment, just as the burning (oxidizing) truckload of sodium azide spewed up the spectacular toxic plume in Utah.

Betterton and his students found that only ozone is a potential oxidant for sodium azide.

However, sodium azide combines with water to form the highly volatile hydrazoic acid. Betterton and his students determined the "Henry's Law constant" for hydrazoic acid, or the ratio of how much hydrazoic acid in water will remain in solution and how much will be released as gas into the atmosphere. The Henry's Law constant number is very low. That is, much more of the acid is released as gas into the atmosphere than remains in water.

"I don't know - no one knows what the lifetime of azide is in the atmosphere," Betterton said.

Currently, Betterton and a student are running experiments to determine how sodium azide might migrate through wet soil where there has been an azide spill

Rx-7Addict

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ITS STATISTICAL FACT that airbags do more good than bad. Sure sometimes they can burn your face etc., but most of the time they protect you and your face from hitting the top of the steering wheel or the windsheild.

If I had a choice of no airbag or airbag, Id want an airbag.

Crash: I would move that sensor. It seems that something weird could happen if it is not mounted as its supposed to be

machinehead

What's the big deal if the guy wants to keep his freeking air bags? I personally am keeping mine as well. I have been in a few crashes in my life. A motorcycle crash where a helmet saved my life (this was before the helmet law and I usally didn't wear one). And a car crash where had I been wearing a seatbelt I would have been smashed inside my car (I was thrown from the car which saved my life). So my take on all this, these things can work both ways, when its your time to go, its your time to go and no seatbelt, helmet, or airbag is going to stop that from happening, but why take a chance?

Chronos

TWO near nearly fatal auto accidents?! Man, I hope you do something great with your life, someone up there is looking out for you!!!

fdracer

what i'm saying is it's not a statistical fact. how do you go about getting your statistics when all modern cars have airbags. you'd have to compare intergenerational cars in order to accumulate your data. you'd have to sample the number of fatalities/serious injuries per accident in car models prior to airbags being mandated and compare them to cars after airbags were installed. you can't do that cause there are so many different variables in chassis design from then til now. chassies are all made much stronger and crash resistant than 20 yrs. ago. the only way to isolate the airbag as a benefit you'd have to have data of the exact same cars, w/ the only difference being some have airbags and some don't. you need to take a sampling, where airbags are the only variable. you can't do that now can you? i'd like to see how the results of your statistical analysis were compiled.

the fact is millions of dollars are spent every year independently by each governing race body for safety. and yet each one has independently deemed airbags as unnecessary. nascar, irl, f1, cart, nhra, etc., etc., all spend millions of dollars on safety r&d, yet each through their own studies have concluded they don't need airbags. the fact is once it's all said and done the pro and against argument for airbags comes down to personal opinion. you feel safer having an airbag, then fine. but no one can say that they have concrete scientific proof one way or the other. show me a study that says they help save lives and i'll show you 2 that say they do more harm than good.