Crashunit

where did you mount your air bag sensor? Mine is located right behind the latch release but the arrow is pointing to the left. I hope it still works, but Im just wondering if any of you guys moved or kept them in the same spot.

skunks

you still got your airbag?

Mr. Stock

...and you still have your stock steering wheel?





If you do, I think you should take my nickname "Mr. Stock"

Crashunit

Safty first, in my book. I still drive like a maniac and.... Its far from being a trailer queen, but Im ordering a 99 FD steering wheel which should come with an air bag anyways, so I just wanted to know.

lerch32

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Mine go bye bye.

jspecracer7

they come with airbags?

FDjunkie

I’ve always READ that these airbag sensors are directional and this is part of the reasoning behind having several sensors mounted at different locations. So IF the arrow is meant to point toward the front of the car, then this sensor MAY not function correctly in an accident and possibly the airbag won't deploy. Which direction was the arrow pointed toward when it was in its OEM position?

the_glass_man

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Whats an Airbag???

Crashunit

Here you go tell me if some of you guys still have them or just got rid of them, I still want safety in my car for me and my passager, so I decided to keep it. Im not all about getting rid of everything and having it not streetable. But here's and older pic of my engine bay, so, know of any other ways of mounting it cause this was the best I could do at the last minute for the front impact sensor, and I've been too lazy to mess with it yet.

manatecu

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With the size of the FD you will do more damage to yourself with an airbag if you are wearing your seatbelt. Airbags were designed to help people that did not wear seatbelts. Just yesterday I went to a wreck S2000 and the girl had a broken nose and really bad burns on her face from the bag. Granted she was short and a little to close in my opinion but the seat belt held her back and the bag smacked her ***, well thats what here face looks like now. I see this alot of airbags that hurt people. That is why about three years ago you started seeing switches in car to turn the bags off. If you wear your seatbelt you need to deactivate the bag.

Chris

maxpesce

Crashunit:
The arrow on the sensor needs to point to the front - (the direction of anticipated impact) with it mounted like that it will trigger the bag during a drivers side impact (NOT what you want)

Manatecu:
WTF are you talking about - AIRBAGS are to be used ONLY IN CONJUNCTION WITH SEATBELTS - w/o a belt the body accelerates toword the bag and impacts it prior to full deployment increasing impact and the possibility of injury. A PROPERLY BELTED person impacts the bag AT OR AFTER full deployment and the DEFLATION of the bag absorbs the impact.
The burns are caused by the hot gas released by the EXPLOSIVE device that inflates the bag.
The ONLY reason to deactivate the bag is if because of your smalll stature (like if you are less than about 5'3" tall) you need to sit closer to the dash/ steering wheel than the safe deployment radius of the bag - about 10" in most cars. or if a child in a REAR facing child safety seat is positioned in front of the bag.
Some newer air bag systems use multi stage deployment systems in conjunction with weight/position sensors in the seats to adjust the deployment rate to the size/weight ot the seat occupant.

PS F-1 is considering airbag protection systems for F-1 Race cars. particularly for side impacts

fdracer

if you're gonna use f1 as an example, i can just turn that around and say that no race cars, in any form of motorsport, have airbags. so how useful are they when the cars which get into the most horrific crashes only use seatbelts and not airbags to protect the driver.

Rotary13B1

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Manatecu said: Airbags were designed to help people that did not wear seatbelts

David SCREAMED: WTF are you talking about - AIRBAGS are to be used ONLY IN CONJUNCTION WITH SEATBELTS -

glad you CLEARED that up David, I would have had to call channel 4 news and made THAT the top story of the day...

saxyman990

Actually, both manatecu and maxpesce are partially right. Air bags were originally invented to be used in conjunction with a seatbelt. The bag was intended to soften the impact by providing a cusion for the persons chest and face. This system was invented because some people still hit their head on the steering wheel or windshield despite the fact that they had on a seatbelt.

However, some genious in the government (a person without any type of engineering degree I might add), decided that the air bag was a great system and it should be altered so that it could save a persons life WITHOUT the use of a seatbelt. The only way engineers could figure out how to make this happen was to drastically increase the rate at which the air bag deploys. The air bags on most cars today (prior to the last couple of years) actually deploy about 20-100 times faster than they really need to. Again, the idea behind the increase in speed was to save the lives of people who don't wear belts. The problem with that, is that it does more harm than good for people who actually wear their belts, due to the extreme force that it explodes with.

Recently, the government has rescinded that idea behind the use of air bags. On more modern cars (ones made within the past year or so), they have actually slowed down the speed of the air bag a lot, much closer to the original design. Hopefully, newer air bags will not cause quite the problems that they used to (although, you should still not use an air bag if you sit too close to the wheel, or for a rear-facing childseat).

Not sure if that really clears anything up, or if things are just as muddy as before... oh yeah, I got this info during a research project that I did on safety devices. I ended up calling Chrylser, Ford, and a few other manufacturers. It was really hard to extract this info from them as they tend to not liking talking about stuff like this. Fortunately, thats why people have contacts on the inside....

Rob

saxyman990

hmmm.... sorry for the long reply. I guess I got a little carried away

Donovan

Well if you're gonna use all motorsport as an example I can just turn around and say that there is NO car maker that installs 6 point harnesses mounted to reinforced points and a approved racing seat and rollbar. Also NO seat has a built in helmet

rx7tt95

I was in an accident where the airbag deployed about 1.5 years ago. Because of the airbag, (long story) I had surgery on my shoulder from my arm being exploded backwards perpendicular to my spine. I'm STILL not 100% healed and am in the process of attending physical therapy and will have surgery again in about 6 weeks. On top of that I had burns on my face and hand, as well as severe bruising. All while wearing my seatbelt. Not arguing one way or the other, just stating my experience :-)
Michel

fdracer

true, but if airbags were helpful at all why not have them anyway as extra precaution? the fact is no one has felt the need to put them in any racecar where safety is of the utmost concern. i've been in an accident w/ an airbag and i didn't even feel it. the seatbelt held me in just fine. the fact is, without a seatbelt the airbag is gonna smack into your face and **** it up. w/ a seatbelt the airbag is totally unecessary. and if you're in an accident severe enough that the seatbelt won't handle all the force, which is rare, all the airbag is gonna do is smack you in the face and chest. all airbags are good for is ******* up your interior when they deploy.

Donovan

Well.... Airbags are trying to cover all kinds of situations as well. They protect someone that is thrown upwards toward the window in certain impacts. They help reduce the stress put on your neck as it snaps forward if you hit the air bag as well. I'd rather have some burns than a broken neck.
HOWEVER I sit at a proper distance from the wheel and use my seatbelt.
I was in a T-bone accident two years ago. I smacked a lady that failed to stop at a intersection at a highway. I hit at about 50 MPH My front to her side. I had bad bruises caused by the seatbelt and on my knees as they hit the dash and door.I had some redness on my nose and chin where my face hit the airbag and my thumbs were sore (from the explosion of the bag). So the air bag most likely didn't do that much.
The main idea is to sit as far back as you can still controll the vehicle and wear a seat belt. If you sit too close the airbag may do more harm than good, also if you don't wear a seatbelt well.. you are an idiot
I would submit that a properyl seated person with a seatbelt is for the majority of impacts as secure with or without the airbag.

fdracer

yeah, exactly the airbag didn't do much for me either. basically you're gonna have two accident situations when your wearing your seatbelt. either the seatbelt is gonna hold you in, or the crash is so severly extreme that you might as well kiss your as goodbye cause the airbag ain't gonna do ****. hence, the airbag is pretty much useless.

MazdaMike

just dont slam ur hood down, may cause some funny ****

RyanREX

I got my airbags, no A/M front tho, just the 99 spec spoiler.

I gotta say though, Crashunit's FD rocks!

manatecu

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by maxpesce
Manatecu:
WTF are you talking about - AIRBAGS are to be used ONLY IN CONJUNCTION WITH SEATBELTS - w/o a belt the body accelerates toword the bag and impacts it

Well I am not an engineer but I do volunteer as a paramedic and I can tell you I have rarely seen a case where the bag has helped if you are wearing your seat belt. Being as the public needs to be idiot proofed and may not wear the seat belt the bag is a good idea. I have seen it save the lives of many drunk people. If you have on a seat belt and it is working properly you end up getting hit twice. Once by the other guy and once by your bag. When we took my bag out of my car we detonated it with a 12 volt battery. It was quite interesting. It was upside down. I would say it blasted about 100 yards in the air, possibly higher. The fact that they use C4 as the explosive to deploy the bag doesn't make me feel comfortable but do whatever makes you feel good you obviously know more than me. But I hope you have a good hospital nearby.

Chris

RX7withNitrous

omg that's so bad ***

pomanferrari

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by manatecu

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[i] The fact that they use C4 as the explosive to deploy the bag doesn't make me feel comfortable but do whatever makes you feel good you obviously know more than me. But I hope you have a good hospital nearby.

Chris

Hahaha, I can see the Palestinians stealing airbags out of car so they can build more bombs ....

Actually, the explosive they used in airbags is Sodium Azide NOT C-4 which is a plastic explosive.