moosejaw

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Pay ticket and move on.....
It's a shame they gave a ticket to OEM part and not of them cheap fiberglass jobs.
I take it Pluckers is a fired chicken joint?

RX7 RAGE

iTrader: (22)

Wow, deafening loud for sure.

Meiogirl

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dude just buy some crappy ones from autozone, use some of that temp 3m tape at Home depot, stick them on go get the ticket waived and pull them back off. You just have to make it look good for the officer who is doing the inspection to waive the ticket.

Falcon21

San Antonio Police are just pulling everyone over for any little thing because of the no refusal policy for breathalizer(sp?) tests. The FD is in the garage for engine work, but I don't have a front plate on either it or my Miata. Every year around this time I get pulled over for no front plate and questioned about whether I've been drinking, I'm sure it'll be worse this year.

rx7bj

It actually happened in San Marcos. I think I am going to buy the tape and see if I can get it dismissed. If not I guess bumper modification. Anyway thanks for the advice guys.

BlackTruenoAE86

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Falcon you're probably right. Specially if they see you driving away from a place that sells alcohol. I do my best to avoid drinking and driving if it happens to be I know I'm gonna drink at least one I make sure I go in my truck.

Athanon

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are you talking about the side marker light next to the blinkers on the front bumper or some sort of marker bllinkers on the front fenders. cause if you dont have the marker lights on the front bumper, at night you will get hit all the time in texas esspecially around that area, but if this cop is talking about side marker lights on the fender, hes an idiot

Athanon

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this is how i have it set up but i dont think it matters inside or outside but it does have to be there and the light connections are there and the bulbs are about 3 bucks at any auto store

Supernaut

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I don't think anyone would use new fenders if they didn't have to and you would probably get them repainted anyway where as for a 99 spec bumper, they are incredibly difficult to find used. I have an extra set of CYM fenders that I have no idea what I'm going to do with that I ended up getting for dirt cheap.

Yea maybe your right about the installation of the fender. I personally never removed one before but I always imagined it would be easier to precisely cut than the bumper itself.

Ruler_Mark

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I love florida, We drive around sans front bumper/support/fenders/front turns/front running lights and theres no tickets issued.

RENESISFD

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^Exactly my thoughts.

Also, I do not think theorie had to remove his fenders in order to install his marker/turn signal lights so that point is moot. you still need to remove the fender liner in both cases. The only thing imo that can be argued is easier is the wiring; as the existing wiring can be utilized if installing side markers in the stock location.


However installing the marker lights in the fender still is not complying with the federal law as there is a certain distance the side light must be located within the front of the car.

1QUIK7, is your 99 bumper authentic?


John

1QWIK7

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I took my fenders off, as well as my bumper in the past and the bumper is easier to take off/make the modification to.

Both pieces would suck to make a mistake on and in which case the bumper is worse if thats what you're talking about.

But given you actually know what you're doing, i think doing it to the bumper is better IMO. And easier to install.

Yes renesisfd my 99 front is authentic.

NoPis10

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As stated before.... the orange relectors on the front of a USDM bumper are reflective and DO NOT blink with the turn signal.

You have 2 options that are simple...

1) Just purchase a dummy light or reflective tape and get the ticket dismissed.

2) Pay the ticket. It isn't a moving violation so no points will be given. Small price for 10 years of ownership...

Montego

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No matter how ridiculous it may seem if you are breaking the law the other party will use that information to better their case. And the stronger case the opposing party has = less money that goes to you or more money that you have to payout.

If you disagree then you have never been involved in an injury accident.

jacoolv6

+1
I have driven with no hood, fender, bumper, one headlight and didn't got pull over...love FLA.

amp

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plus one...
although one would think that your valid inspection might help in the dispute..
you werent aware.. and shouldve been noted in the inspection process.. you just might get a pass..

NVMYRX-7

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Thank you sir, God forbid you are involved in an accident with a lawyer. He/she will rip you a new a_hole and then you will be back on here crying about how some slick lawyer took advantage of you.

Julian

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Technically with the JDM '99 parts you would still need a reflector on the side forward of front wheel well. Side marker would be wired into turn circuit as a turn signal, front comb lights provides forward facing turn but no side reflector. Look at lights on some other cars to see what I am talking about Mazda 3's use clear side (with yellow bulb) and a yellow reflector inside the comb headlight housing. If you cannot place inside the Comb; (I have not tried as I don’t want to break the seal) you could put yellow reflective tape on edge of wheel arch, look at US spec Lotus.

southsidecox

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well in my initial response i thought op had gotten a ticket for the clear lenses,yes he should install side markers or reflectors,i sure wouldnt be spending big bucks on the fix though,such as replacing entire front bumper, its a bit of a stretch to say "oh look hes at fault for the accident" i failed to see the front of his vehicle due to lack of side markers", no headlights or tails i could understand , the ******* low life ins. companies these days will do anything they can to get out of a claim so i would have all my bases covered anyways

Athanon

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Texas General Requirements
Motor vehicles must have at least two headlights in front and two taillights in back. Taillights must emit a red light that can be seen from a distance of 1,000 feet. A white light must illuminate the rear license plate. Motor vehicles must also have two red- or amber-colored stoplights in back, and the lights must light when the brake is applied. Front turn signals must emit a white or amber light. Rear turn signals must emit a red or amber light.

Spotlights
Motor vehicles may have no more than two spotlights, aimed so that no part of the high-intensity portion of the beam strikes the windshield, window, mirror, or occupant of another vehicle.

Fog Lights
Vehicles may have no more than two fog lights, aimed so no part of the high-intensity portion of the beam from a light mounted to the left of center on a vehicle projects a beam of light at a distance of 25 feet that is higher than four inches below the level of the center of the light.

Hazard Lights
Hazard lights should be visible at a distance of at least 500 feet in normal sunlight. They should flash simultaneously, and emit a white or amber light in front and a red or amber light in back.

Projecting Loads
Vehicles carrying loads that extend at least four feet beyond the bed or body of the vehicle must display two red lights that are visible at a distance of at least 500 feet from the rear. In addition, they must have two red reflectors that show the maximum width, and two red lights that indicate the maximum overhang. These lights must be displayed at night or when lighting is insufficient to allow a person or vehicle to be clearly seen at a distance of 1,000 feet ahead.

Duty to Display
Motor vehicles are required to use lights at nighttime, or whenever conditions don't allow a person or vehicle to be clearly seen at a distance of 1,000 feet ahead. At least one light must be displayed on each side of the front of the vehicle. A vehicle can't display more than four headlights or other lights that project a beam that's brighter than 300 candlepower at one time on the front of the motor vehicle.

Restrictions
Unless authorized by law, a person can't operate or move a vehicle, other than a police vehicle, with a light that displays a red light visible from directly in front of the center of the vehicle.

License Plate
Texas does not allow illuminated license plate frames, including neon ones, to be attached to license plates because they interfere with reading the plate.

References
Texas Constitution and Statutes: Subchapter D. General Provisions Regarding Lighting Requirements
Texas Dept. of Public Safety: FAQs: Vehicle Lighting - License Plate Lighting
Resources
Texas Dept. of Public Safety: Texas Commercial Motor Vehicle Driver's Handbook
National Safety Council: Defensive Driving Courses Information Highway
Teen Driving

THE COP WAS BEING A DICK !
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Athanon

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SEC. .324/.325 TURN SIGNAL LAMPS REQUIRED/REFLECTORS REQUIRED
(.324 governs trailors or vehicles in tow.) this law has nothing to do with side marker lights on actual drive vehicle. the cool thing about laws is you dont have to try and read between the lines. what they state is what they meen no need for interpretation.
Most people dont realise this and try to fit themselves or someone else into a catagory when in fact they dont belong in any catagory.
(.325 refers to a motor vehicle, trailer, semitrailer, or pole trailer shall be equipped with at least two red reflectors on the rear of the vehicle. A red reflector may be included as a part of a taillamp.

(b) A reflector shall be:

(1) mounted at a height from 15 to 60 inches; and

(2) visible at night at all distances:

(A) from 100 to 600 feet when directly in front of lawful lower beams of headlamps; or

(B) from 100 to 350 feet when directly in front of lawful upper beams of headlamps if the vehicle was manufactured or assembled before January 1, 1972.

(ie; you are in a car behind me with your headlights on looking at my reflectors on my rear bumper)

He was cited for having elegal smoke tint on headlight covers/taillight covers or elegal clear lense on tail lights or defective headlamp


TRC 547.3215 Defective Equipment/Head Lamps Do Not Comply W/CFR $40.00 fine

TRC 547.3215 Unapproved Vehicle Equipment-Head Lamp Covers
Smoked $40.00 fine

TRC 547.3215 Unapproved Vehicle Equipment-Tail Light Assembly Clear $40.00 fine

if it was me I would fight the ticket and not change anything on my car unless I really wanted to.
what you were cited for and what is writen on the ticket are not the same nor is there any law that says you have to have a side marker lights. If there were then you would not be able to plate a quad or atv or motorcycle from favtory motorcyles have everything facing foreward or backwards. things sold aftermarket that project sideways are for a profit in industry.

RENESISFD

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^ What about federal saftey standards?

In 1968 passenger cars were required by federal law to have an amber light and reflector infront of the foreward wheel arch visable from the side profile of the vehicle.




John

Athanon

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standards are not leagaly binding and that was 1968.... its a standard to wair a helmet when on a drag strip if you have t tops or glass sunroof, if you dont your not going to have to pay a fine for it.

my point is that he was given a ticket for something that has nothing to do with what the officer said he needed to have fixed or on his car. (this alone negates the ticket in the court of law)
there are loopholes that they can run on there angle if they want to be real donkeys about it. he would be in violation if the vehicle had them from the factory and then he removed them. if the bumper does not have the applicable spot for siad relector or side marker light then it is not necessary. this would be covered under a completely different citation code though.
the only thing needed to license and drive a vehicle is headlights taillights blinkers front and rear marker lights a light over license plate and at least 2 mirrors anything else is for added safety not manditory (as far as lighting is concerned)

RENESISFD

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Why not? Why have them then?



John

Athanon

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to confirm his post and my notion that if it was there from factory.....

Subpart B - Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards 571.108 Standard No. 108; Lamps, reflective devices, and associated equipment.
This standard specifies requirements for original and replacement lamps, reflective devices, and associated equipment.

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...px?reg=571.108

Now can an officer give you a ticket for this? Sure he can if he writes the ticket accordingly but this was not his case when he was pulled over and given a ticket not covering this area, this is what I have been stressing.
To note that federal safety standards are deligated to the state to change as they see fit. hence the reason why Texas motor vehicle lighting laws do not cover this, as previously posted