4.9 vs. 5.4
05-30-05, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BoostFrenzy
I'm not a GTO guy I Can't comment on those, but I do know a stock STi puts down 230-240whp stock and it's 13.0-13.2 realworld ET's it pulls aren't because of power, it's because of the 1.6/1.7 60 foot... any AWD car is a turd off a roll (drag/driveline loss/curb weight), you just can't verify your claim of the FD being fast vs. an AWD, i know my modified wrx will ASSRAPE my rx7 from a stop but off a roll at certain mphs/rpms, the rx7 might get a second or two of gratification...
And well, for what I do know the GTO is what, 3800lbs? i see them running 13.8-15.0 frequently, both 2004 and "more power" 2005 models at the strip locally, they suck altogether
bottom line, the FD shines in power to weight with it's gearing whilst on a roll, but it sure would be a thing of beauty with twice the power or more that an ls1 could offer it
And well, for what I do know the GTO is what, 3800lbs? i see them running 13.8-15.0 frequently, both 2004 and "more power" 2005 models at the strip locally, they suck altogether
bottom line, the FD shines in power to weight with it's gearing whilst on a roll, but it sure would be a thing of beauty with twice the power or more that an ls1 could offer it
I agree with you on the STi and thats why I included the GTO. 230 whp is slightly more than a stock FD though (225ish). You are missing the point on the GTO ...or maybe partly making it. Its 1/4 mi time is decieving. My point has been that those numbers do not tell the whole story and its odd that we put so much emphasis on them. I think the GTO times I quoted are valid considering their consistancy. AutoWeek in particular is very conservative on the numbers.
I am a big fan of power to weight.Take look at these: I sought test weights when possible (driver included) but there is some wiggle rrom still.
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Pontiac GTO 2005 3787lbs 400hp 9.4675 lbs/hp
Pontiac GTO 2004 3787lbs 350hp 10.82
Mazda RX-7 Stock FD 2881lbs 255hp 11.3
Mercedes E55 AMG 03 3990lbs 469hp 8.5- This car vaporize an FD with a sub 13 sec 1/4 mile, but barely edges the FD in these tests.
FD3S
20-40 mph 1.7
40-60 mph 2.1
60-80 mph 2.6
Mercedes E55 AMG 03
20-40 mph 1.6
40-60 mph 2.2
60-80 mph 2.5
05-30-05, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BoostFrenzy
and uh, you better be pretty heavily modded to go pulling on ~3150lb Z06's with 405hp :/
sure it wasn't a lowly stock automatic c5 ?! i can pull those on a 10 speed drinking a beer
sure it wasn't a lowly stock automatic c5 ?! i can pull those on a 10 speed drinking a beer
Since I've talked so much about the numbers here are a few more. Sorry about the formatting.
http://theclient.hypermart.net/car/Sheet1.htm
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05-30-05, 07:32 PM
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Where did you get the numbers for 20-40, 40-60, and 60-80? No magazine that I've ever read runs those tests.
So what does your "not very heavily modified" car produce at the rear wheels?
So what does your "not very heavily modified" car produce at the rear wheels?
05-30-05, 09:53 PM
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Jim-
AutoWeek performs those tests in their AutoTest File feature.
ex: http://www.autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=4838
I talked with Dutch Mandel there one time about their testing. He's a good guy. His father had just passed at the time. We had a great conversation about how cars evoke philosophy.
My car has the stock twins, but with a PFS intake, IC, M2 DP, HF cat, RB catback and a PFC tops the list of power mods. My motor's compression tested low so I'm guessing 280 rwhp...maybe less. A healthy set up should yield a little over 300 rwhp. JIm, your cars probably make that at idle.
AutoWeek performs those tests in their AutoTest File feature.
ex: http://www.autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=4838
I talked with Dutch Mandel there one time about their testing. He's a good guy. His father had just passed at the time. We had a great conversation about how cars evoke philosophy.
My car has the stock twins, but with a PFS intake, IC, M2 DP, HF cat, RB catback and a PFC tops the list of power mods. My motor's compression tested low so I'm guessing 280 rwhp...maybe less. A healthy set up should yield a little over 300 rwhp. JIm, your cars probably make that at idle.
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05-30-05, 10:01 PM
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R1 tested
0-30 in 1.9
0-60 in 5.0
0-100 in 13.4
0-120 in 19.4
1/4 mile 13.7 @101 mph
R1 tested
0-30 in 1.9
0-60 in 5.0
0-100 in 13.4
0-120 in 19.4
1/4 mile 13.7 @101 mph
05-31-05, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by coolingmist
All I know is that i'd be pissed if I bought a car that was advertised at 4.9 and all I could get was a 5.4.
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