320 rwhp FD vs. 2010 Porsche Cayman S
07-01-10, 08:16 AM
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I stand corrected...I've been looking in ALL the wrong places. A friend of mine that is Porsche freak showed me that they can be had for the 60-70k range.
Sorry for jacking your thread :/
Sorry for jacking your thread :/
Hey I'm right there with you on the 993/996 TT but from everything I've ever seen (I'm always looking at the 993TT), it's not often you see a used 993TT (unless it's high mileage) for as cheap as a Cayman S.
The 993TT has done a good job holding it's value.
Now you can get into the 996TT all day long for the price of a Cayman S and that thing is a BEAST in stock form.
The 993TT has done a good job holding it's value.
Now you can get into the 996TT all day long for the price of a Cayman S and that thing is a BEAST in stock form.
07-01-10, 08:57 AM
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They did address the 996 issues after the first two years. 
I don't know that I would call them ugly, but the Porsche purists did hate the headlight change. 
Mark, you might also look into a mid-2000's 996 GT3. When they do pop up, they are in the same price range as a newer Cayman S. Most of them aren't as stripped out as one might expect (as the original owners rarely bought them to be pure track cars). Those versions would be great for both street and track.
I don't know that I would call them ugly, but the Porsche purists did hate the headlight change. Mark, you might also look into a mid-2000's 996 GT3. When they do pop up, they are in the same price range as a newer Cayman S. Most of them aren't as stripped out as one might expect (as the original owners rarely bought them to be pure track cars). Those versions would be great for both street and track.
07-01-10, 10:42 AM
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Mark, you might also look into a mid-2000's 996 GT3. When they do pop up, they are in the same price range as a newer Cayman S. Most of them aren't as stripped out as one might expect (as the original owners rarely bought them to be pure track cars). Those versions would be great for both street and track.
07-01-10, 10:45 AM
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It seems to be a natural progression from an S2000. Quite a few former S owners on s2ki have "upgraded". As far as I know the Cayman has a very solid reliability record.
07-01-10, 10:47 AM
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I don't think I could ever own a Cayman. It just screams "I've got a Porsche but I couldn't afford a 911" Despite its capability it's like owning a C230 Benz in that way.
I just don't see the appeal. The looks are still, well, hardtop Boxster. They're not fast enough in the straight line to beat up on a lot of modern cars. Yeah they handle well but you can get a lot of other newer cars that handle pretty close or even handle better (Elise etc). They not cheap cars yet they don't fully have the status symbol aspect going for them. Imagine the conversations:
Meanwhile you've got 370Z's (or whatever much cheaper car would be in your class) hanging with you, although not necessarily beating you, on the track. And modded cars are still blowing your doors off.
All this for how much money???
I just don't see the appeal. The looks are still, well, hardtop Boxster. They're not fast enough in the straight line to beat up on a lot of modern cars. Yeah they handle well but you can get a lot of other newer cars that handle pretty close or even handle better (Elise etc). They not cheap cars yet they don't fully have the status symbol aspect going for them. Imagine the conversations:
Random non-car person: "So what kind of car do you drive"
no_more_rice: "A Porsche"
Random non-car person: "oh what kind? I like Porsches"
no_more_rice: "A Cayman S"
Random non-car person: "A what? Is that like a Boxster?"
no_more_rice: "Yeah sort of"
no_more_rice: "A Porsche"
Random non-car person: "oh what kind? I like Porsches"
no_more_rice: "A Cayman S"
Random non-car person: "A what? Is that like a Boxster?"
no_more_rice: "Yeah sort of"
Meanwhile you've got 370Z's (or whatever much cheaper car would be in your class) hanging with you, although not necessarily beating you, on the track. And modded cars are still blowing your doors off.
All this for how much money???
07-01-10, 10:53 AM
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Around here, 993s dominate the tracks. That being said, I like having the only rotary out there--and an FB at that. I still run with and sometimes pass the big dogs (granted I have 332whp ).
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07-01-10, 11:56 AM
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Dollar for dollar, modifying and maintaining an FD will always be cheaper than a Porsche. My basically stock FD was much faster than a Cayman on my local track. Therefore I conclude that financially and performance-wise, it makes no sense to switch cars. But then again, the decision to buy a certain car is not always a rational one to begin with
07-01-10, 12:07 PM
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Here's the one I'm looking at
http://hendrick.porschedealer.com/20...17310/info.php
http://hendrick.porschedealer.com/20...17310/info.php
07-01-10, 12:39 PM
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I don't agree with the others putting down the Cayman. If you compare it to a 370z it will look overpriced and if you compare it to a used 993 it looks slow. It is. I think it's a great compromise with the build, looks, performance of a Porsche.
Do you plan on modding this car, or are you going to buy it based on the out-of-the-box experience?
David
Do you plan on modding this car, or are you going to buy it based on the out-of-the-box experience?
David
07-01-10, 01:06 PM
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They were asking 160K for it. My verdict: I was disappointed-- the car felt slightly faster than my stock twin modded FD, and it didn't outhandle it weither (I only have coilovers). After the test drive I expressed this to my buddy (he was the one car shopping) and of course he didn't quite believe me. So we opted to go to my house and so he could take the FD for a drive. His verdict: "I'll be dammed you are right... It really isn't that much better".
Since then I have upgraded to a GT35R T3 with a short short manifold (quick spool) and there is no way that porsche would keep up with me now.
I think it's great looking car. The one we test drove was just like that one, it was even black. Simply gorgeous
07-01-10, 01:08 PM
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07-01-10, 01:28 PM
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07-01-10, 02:26 PM
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I don't know if you saw this article (http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ng_lap-feature) but I'd be way more confindent in tracking a Porsche over a 370Z after seeing this article unless it had the necessary brake upgrades
Cayman S is for men having a midlife crisis who drove a hybrid or corolla on their commute for the past 20-30 years. GT3's appear more track oriented.
Although I would love to see what the Cayenne Turbo S (http://www.porsche.com/microsite/cay...rbo-s/usa.aspx) is capable of...
I saw one in a parking lot once, it was beautiful and the brakes were massive!
Cayman S is for men having a midlife crisis who drove a hybrid or corolla on their commute for the past 20-30 years. GT3's appear more track oriented.
Although I would love to see what the Cayenne Turbo S (http://www.porsche.com/microsite/cay...rbo-s/usa.aspx) is capable of...
I saw one in a parking lot once, it was beautiful and the brakes were massive!
07-01-10, 03:02 PM
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I've seen that article. I wasn't seriously saying he should get a 370Z. I'm sure Nissan will work out whatever the problems are (oil cooler, brakes, whatever) in a model year or two. Maybe I shouldn't have even brought up the 370.
The Cayman S is so much money for so little. Hell used C6 Z06's are going for under 50k now. My neighbor had one and they are nasty, plus the interior isn't bad at all. Hendrick Chevrolet in Cary NC has a bunch of C6 Z06's on the lot last I checked and I bet at least one is used.
The Cayman S is so much money for so little. Hell used C6 Z06's are going for under 50k now. My neighbor had one and they are nasty, plus the interior isn't bad at all. Hendrick Chevrolet in Cary NC has a bunch of C6 Z06's on the lot last I checked and I bet at least one is used.
07-01-10, 03:12 PM
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Here's the one I'm looking at
http://hendrick.porschedealer.com/20...17310/info.php
http://hendrick.porschedealer.com/20...17310/info.php
On the practical side of things you do stand to lose a lot on depreciation. I also think a tracked car is going to take a much bigger hit when you sell it.
I have heard the same thing about the boxter/cayman engine that Fritz mentioned and I have never been to a track day so maybe it's common knowledge. I've heard the same about the early E46 M3s and S2000s. Maybe it's not that big of a deal, turbo rotaries pop too.
I guess it all comes down to money and if you have it to spend than a lot of the concerns and comparisons to other cheaper cars may not matter to you. I could never track a car that cost very much or that was fairly new.
The Cayman will be a nice safe and solid car. It will have great materials and fit & finish compared to a lot other cars on the track.
Why not just get something less modern and more easily worked on by yourself.