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Hey, your car looks like a Porsche 944 Turbo!!

 

BBS LMs no?

 

YES BBS LM , 18x10 with 265/35/18. YA 2 gen RX7 do look a lot like 944.
When people, know u drove a 16 years old green race car. and they heared u only make 270 HP. they got that look all the time. but when I smoked 400 HP WRX, 330 HP M3. and 80000 dollors Porsche. PRICELESS

 

fact remains, as all arguments have admitted... the FD is not an exotic. never was, never will be.

on a side note, i don't care how fast the FC posted is, its no more an exotic than an FD. would MUCH rather have a Ferrari than that, anyday. but that's just my opinion

 

The problem with this discussion is the definition of exotic and supercar. Where is the line line drawn?

What is a 305/328? Most poeple consider Ferraris exotic. Also I have never heard of build quality being associated with the word exotic. Ferraris in general, with their crappy copper valves, and ridiculous maintenance limitations, are not of exceptional quality. When you say build quality, that should also denote reliability. Noone has ever associated reliability with exotics.

As for the FD, it has been acknowledged by numerous automotive publications as being a bargain exotic/bargain supercar when it came out. It had everything but the name and the pricetag, in terms of performance and looks.

That isn't an opinion, that is a fact which is available for all to peruse at scuderiaciriani. Read the articles, and try to remember what was available in 1992/1993.

And that is what really sticks in peoples craw. The unholy elevation of a Mazda product to the level of Ferrari or Lamborghini.

What is even sicker is what would have happened if the FD had come with the 20B. Now enumerate all the exotics and supercars that would be faster.
That just turned into a tiny list.

If someone wants to bring up F-40/F-50/F-1 then by all means do, but that is where the conversation starts getting ridiculous. The upper end of the supercar market is pretty silly. Those vehicles are for the most part, racecars for the street and I don't think they belong in this conversation. Which brings us full circle back to our FDs, which are designed to be track cars for the street.

 

PVerdieck, very well said.

 

exactly... but IT DOESN'T therefore its not. had it come out with a 20B, then stock it still would have only been produced with around 280bhp and we all know it... of course it could have been tuned up... but then, its not stock. mazda is not exotic. all ferrari builds is race cars for the street and other locals. mazda makes grocery getters, pick-ups etc. its not the same type of company in anyway shape or form.

 

So you're saying that the Chrysler ME 4-12, which Chrysler promises will reach production, weighing in at only 2880lbs, w/ 4 turbos, an AMG V-12 mid engine making 850bhp, 0-60 mph in 2.9 seconds, 0-100 mph in 6.2 seconds, a top speed of 240 mph, and a quarter mile time of 11.0 seconds, will never become an exotic, simply because Chrysler primarily makes slow and heavy luxury cars for senior citizens...well I got news for ya pugg57: Chrysler is making the ME 4-12 SPECIFICALLY to change the minds of ppl like you (I don't mean that in a negative way). But simply said, even your everyday car company can make an exotic supercar -- and one of the best ever made, at that.

 

So you're saying that the Chrysler ME 4-12, which Chrysler promises will reach production, weighing in at only 2880lbs, w/ 4 turbos, an AMG V-12 mid engine making 850bhp, 0-60 mph in 2.9 seconds, 0-100 mph in 6.2 seconds, a top speed of 240 mph, and a quarter mile time of 11.0 seconds, will never become an exotic, simply because Chrysler primarily makes slow and heavy luxury cars for senior citizens???

Well I got news for ya pugg57: Chrysler is making the ME 4-12 SPECIFICALLY to change the minds of ppl like you (I don't mean that in a negative way). But simply said, they're out to show that even your everyday car company can make an exotic supercar -- and one of the best ever made, at that.

 

screw them haters man , i love those rims . not is that colour , but i love'em advan racing rims , hard to get now .
they have a new line out , called the advan super racing rims ..or something like that ...hehe.. which are also cool

 

You can make any car fast if you dump enough money into it. If you can buy a new M3, an $80K Porsche or Ferrari, that generally suggests that you're a successful person. With most FDs selling in the low teens, just about *anybody* can afford one. And for that reason, it's lack of exclusivity doesn't make it "exotic", in that sense. It's not always about what's fast, it's about showing people what you can afford. Sure you smoked the guy in the $80K Porsche, but I bet he has a nicer job, and a bigger house than you.

 

LOL!! sad but true!

 

his wife probably has the more expensive boob job too!

 

How can you be so sure? What if he/she is a drug dealer? His house and car will not be there for long. Plus, I am sure many people here have serious amounts of cash dumped into their cars. If its a status symbol you want, go buy one.

 

anto me, yes, its a supercar... but that doesn't go hand-in-hand with an exotic.

hot girl from fiji = exotic and superhot
ugly girl from fiji = exotic but not hot at all
hot girl from NYC = not exotic but superhot

the brand is exotic the car is rated against performance. its still a chrysler. it takes alot more than one car amoung 100s of designs to make a brand exotic. Porsche, Ferrari, McLaren, Lamborghini, Maseratti, Lotus, Tommy Kaira, Lotec, ItalDesign, Bugatti... to me, that is what exotic is. something of a brand you don't see everyday. a supercar is a supercar based on its performance.

you guys keep going what if it had this and that... well it doesn't have this and that, it never did and it never will therefore it doesn't matter if you can shoehorn a 20B into an FD that doesn't make it exotic... it just makes it faster. what if it had a 100k price tag... that still doesn't make it exotic it just would again probably push it closer to if not into the rhelm of supercars... but again, I DID'T and it ISN't. just giving my $.02 you can argue all you want and people like chrysler can produce anything they feel like to try and change my mind, but you know what? point of the discussion is that the FD isn't exotic and though it may be close to supercar performance out of the box, its not a supercar.

i will say though that a high price with low productivity does allow for some to be considdered exotic... i suppose the ME 4-12 could be one when it actually comes out right now its just a fart in a board room... everyone talks about it but no one has done anything or fessed up. the Mercedes SLR McLaren is another example... this one however is in production... its price and exclusivity push it into exotics... bear in mind though, it was designed by McLaren which gives it even more right to exotic status.

 

Screw that, exotic, is just a man made word like everything else in this world. And it can mean a number of things, so exotic is, exotic to whomever percieves it to be that, as well as a supercar, its a matter of opinion.

And this is not a good enough analogy, to prove your statement, because basically what your saying is if it aint from America, it aint exotic, and that's . Look at the Vector's, Gt40's, and cobra's those are as exotic as they come and they were built here. I'm not flaming you just giving you my perspective.

 

not flaming me but giving me the big BS flag? you just came up with 4 of the MAYBE 10 (if you're lucky) "Exotic" cars ever produced in the US. but lets take a closer look. how many Vector's were ever made compared to the FDs? cost for a new Ford GT or Cobra vs. that of a brand new FD? yeah, its not the same ballpark at all. that was a sh*t comeback and you know it.

the whole point is the FD is not exotic... its not a supercar. no matter how many examples you can come up with of other cars to argue with my reasoning, it doesn't have anything to do with the FD.

 

I gotta agree w/ pugg57, because I failed to make the distinction between supercar and exotic. It just so happens that many supercars are exotic, and many exotics are supercars, but this doesn't always hold true.

I can't speak for other ppl, but I would venture to say that most FD owners believe the FD was on the verge of supercar status...it was basically a supercar on a budget. I think that myself.

Exotic? Pugg's right...Mazda ain't no exotic label. I have been in the situation many a time where someone comes up to me and is like "WOW MAN...that's an awesome car...what is it?" So I'm like "It's an RX-7." Then they reply, "Yea? Who makes that?" And when I say "Mazda," they're like "oh..." basically meaning "oh so maybe it's not ALL that then."

Why? Simply because Mazda definitely isn't exotic. It's like the Supra...hell of a car. But guess what? It's a Toyota... reliable as hell, indestructible engine, etc...so it doesn't have that "exotic" flare to it.

But I'd also like to think that TODAY, people do look at RX7s as cars of an exotic nature. Not because they're Mazdas, or because of price etc...but because they know it's a very rare twin turbo vehicle, and they give it respect. So I'd say, right now, the FD is kind of on the edge...not quite a supercar, not quite an exotic, but definitely one hell of a car. And for me, that's more than enough.

 

Devil fc, your cars are beautiful. Dont let the show **** keep you down. While these guys are sitting here discussing worthless ****, your out there driving two incredible cars. If anyones rice, in here. These ************* are. Great pics man.

 

The FD would certainly look better next to those cars in stock form .

 

Guess again, and maybe he has something else to compensate for, I'm sure everyone thinks that of me when I drive by, and you know what?, I could care less wether people think I'm successful or not and for the time and money I put into my 7 I could buy the porsche, IT"S A CAR PEOPLE, as I said above the difference is, I chose to have a car built by me the way I wanted. The problem I face now is I've taken it as far as I can go both tastefully and performance wise, I'm not sure what my next car will be. I always keep coming back to highly modded 7 when I sit and think about it.

 

what if we took all the badges and pricetags off every car...?

regardless of the argument, those wheels are very flamboyant and i dont really see how anyone can argue against that.

 

Just about everything under the hood is hand made, and made by me nothing any more special than what you guys haven't already seen or heard of before, once I get it pieced back together I will put up some pics, customer cars come up first.

 

Zero Banger,

if its not a 20b turbo, you havent gone far enough.
and if you have. Kudo's.. = )

 

Both of your cars are the ****.