3 gen vs. Porsche 911
04-05-02, 05:18 AM
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MakoDHardie,
BTW there are many women Porsche 911 drivers who can work the gears just fine at the Porsche Club drivers ed events. There's one in particular that I have a great time with chasing her around the track...
And she looks great in a driving suit!
BTW there are many women Porsche 911 drivers who can work the gears just fine at the Porsche Club drivers ed events. There's one in particular that I have a great time with chasing her around the track...
And she looks great in a driving suit!
04-05-02, 05:24 AM
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Silver Porsche 911s are classic! Note that Ruf uses the narrower normally aspirated 996 Carrera body, not the 996 Turbo or GT-2's wider body. Ruf likes the better aerodynamic flow (slipperier) for higher top speed!
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04-05-02, 05:34 AM
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I think everyone will agree that for short bursts (drag racing), and or short chases around the twisties, the FD Rx7 is formidable competition for either the 993 or 996 Carreras, at least for the normally aspirated versions...you'd need a 3-rotor to keep up with a GT-2 or Twin Turbo 996...
Once you encounter the normally aspirated ('95 to '98) 993s, ('99 to present) 996 Carreras, or any of the earlier 911 Turbos (930 Turbo or 964 Turbo)--out on the drivers education circuits or club races--you'll see that the FD will have trouble keeping up...
If the FD Rx7's prepared with bullet-proof reliability as the main focus (not horsepower as the main focus), I truly believe that our FDs do have a CHANCE in beating a Porsche 911 in the long haul!
Once you encounter the normally aspirated ('95 to '98) 993s, ('99 to present) 996 Carreras, or any of the earlier 911 Turbos (930 Turbo or 964 Turbo)--out on the drivers education circuits or club races--you'll see that the FD will have trouble keeping up...
If the FD Rx7's prepared with bullet-proof reliability as the main focus (not horsepower as the main focus), I truly believe that our FDs do have a CHANCE in beating a Porsche 911 in the long haul!
04-05-02, 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by SleepR1
MakoDHardie,
BTW there are many women Porsche 911 drivers who can work the gears just fine at the Porsche Club drivers ed events. There's one in particular that I have a great time with chasing her around the track...
And she looks great in a driving suit!
MakoDHardie,
BTW there are many women Porsche 911 drivers who can work the gears just fine at the Porsche Club drivers ed events. There's one in particular that I have a great time with chasing her around the track...
And she looks great in a driving suit!
04-06-02, 06:43 AM
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You know I should have mentioned....
My friend has an 85 Carrera and I compared it to the 996 Carrera. The 996 just felt TOO slushy. Many veteran Porsche owners complain about the same thing. The fact that the new Porsches are not an enthusiasts car
I can tell you that my buddies 85 Carrera feels like a rock and handles incredibly well. I can almost compare its ride harshness to the FDs 
My friend has an 85 Carrera and I compared it to the 996 Carrera. The 996 just felt TOO slushy. Many veteran Porsche owners complain about the same thing. The fact that the new Porsches are not an enthusiasts car
I can tell you that my buddies 85 Carrera feels like a rock and handles incredibly well. I can almost compare its ride harshness to the FDs
04-06-02, 06:46 AM
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Originally posted by SleepR1
Silver Porsche 911s are classic! Note that Ruf uses the narrower normally aspirated 996 Carrera body, not the 996 Turbo or GT-2's wider body. Ruf likes the better aerodynamic flow (slipperier) for higher top speed!
Silver Porsche 911s are classic! Note that Ruf uses the narrower normally aspirated 996 Carrera body, not the 996 Turbo or GT-2's wider body. Ruf likes the better aerodynamic flow (slipperier) for higher top speed!
04-06-02, 06:49 AM
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Originally posted by SleepR1
.......Once you encounter the normally aspirated ('95 to '98) 993s, ('99 to present) 996 Carreras, or any of the earlier 911 Turbos (930 Turbo or 964 Turbo)--out on the drivers education circuits or club races--you'll see that the FD will have trouble keeping up......
.......Once you encounter the normally aspirated ('95 to '98) 993s, ('99 to present) 996 Carreras, or any of the earlier 911 Turbos (930 Turbo or 964 Turbo)--out on the drivers education circuits or club races--you'll see that the FD will have trouble keeping up......
04-06-02, 02:17 PM
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i recently went head to head with a new porche 911 im pretty sure it was turbo becuase i got smoked pretty bad. i seen the porsche a couple cars ahead and was gonna merge on to the freeway. so i scooted right in behind the guy i can tell he didnt like the fact that i was about 2 feet from his bumper, the guy takes off and i follow him around a donut like freeway onramp about to merge on to the freeway now im not a bad driver and im learning how to drift so please believe me when i tell you that car must have been doing 75 to 80 easy around this donut like onramp and pretty much left me about 5 car lengths back when i got on the freeway. i tried to keep up i could even hear my tire rubbing in the fenderwell and my brain felt like it was gonna fly out of my left ear around that turn. when i got on the freeway i noticed him slowing down with no cars ahead of him. at this point i said screw it i was real curious how my car matched up being a cheater that i am i left it in 3rd and let the guy slow down enough to where i was right next to him then i took off like a bat out of hell. the devil must have been driving that porsche becuase not only did i have atleast a 2 car length lead from the get go i was also in my sweet spot. im at 120 and climbing he passes me like i was at a standstill. being the poorsport i am i pretty much gave up and relaxed the car. i have a 94 twin turbo basically stock just intake exuast and hose upgrades also boost controller and bov mustangs and corvettes are nothing to me i eatthem on a daily basis so dont think my car is wack i love my car im starting to love that porsche though.
04-06-02, 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by SleepR1
Porsche usually underestimates its horsepower ratings...
Porsche usually underestimates its horsepower ratings...
Factory said :420 HP on crank..
Dyno said : 419 ON WHEELS!!!!!!!!
04-06-02, 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by SleepR1
Mako,
Well might not find many in Taiwan, so you'll have to come the United States for the "hot" driving women racers
Mako,
Well might not find many in Taiwan, so you'll have to come the United States for the "hot" driving women racers
I want go to America!
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I disagree with this. In the 4 x 12hr endurance races held in australia in the early to mid 90's the FD beat the porsches every single time, even against the 911 RSCS in 95. Those FD's had no problems going the distance.
Originally posted by SleepR1
It really depends on the driver.
I think that's where Porsches will ultimately beat the FD Rx7. Porsche 911s offer consistently reliable high performance during the length of a lapping day or endurance race, where the Rx7 will be fast for a short while, but won't have enough to last the entire event, start-to-finish.
It really depends on the driver.
I think that's where Porsches will ultimately beat the FD Rx7. Porsche 911s offer consistently reliable high performance during the length of a lapping day or endurance race, where the Rx7 will be fast for a short while, but won't have enough to last the entire event, start-to-finish.
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Originally posted by sejanus2
I disagree with this. In the 4 x 12hr endurance races held in australia in the early to mid 90's the FD beat the porsches every single time,....
I disagree with this. In the 4 x 12hr endurance races held in australia in the early to mid 90's the FD beat the porsches every single time,....
04-07-02, 01:34 AM
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The fact that the new Porsches are not an enthusiasts car
Don't get me wrong, they are fine automobiles but they're losing their exclusivity, passion and stigma.
Hey mom, look! A Porsche SUV! *yawn*
04-07-02, 07:44 AM
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sejanus2,
Yeah I have a video of the '95 Triple M Mazda Rx7 SP win over the Porsche 993 Carrera S Club Sports.
I'm sorry to say that your American counterparts don't have the same bragging rights that you Aussies have for FD Rx7 victories over the Porsche 993s...
As potent as the Porsche 993s were, the 996es are faster than the 993s, and surprisingly more reliable (eventhough the diehard air-cooled 911 enthusiasts panned the water cooled flat-six!).
toadman,
I agree that Porsche is jumping on the SUV bandwagon. BMW and Mercedes did, so why not, right?
True the new 996es are quite luxurious for sports cars. You'd hardly guess that you're driving a 180-mph sports car, but I guess that's what the well-heeled want for their money...
Think about the typical Porsche 996-owner. Probaby a male in his mid-40s (or early 50s). When you get to that age range, you start to expect luxury in everything, because you've made do for most your life. So now the 40-to-50-something male can afford a Porsche Carrera, and of course he wants the car to ride as nice as possible. He wants quality workmanship, fine, supple leathers in the interior, and all the best that Porsche has to offer...
Now think about a typical FD Rx7 owner. Probably a male in his 20s. He's undoubtedly the third or fourth owner of his FD. His FD is probably beat up, because he bought the FD for $9000 and hopes to dump $20000 worth of mods in his FD to make it a supercar He probably has NOT experienced the finer things in life. He's ok with a brutal ride quality. He's ok with chintzy plastic pieces that rattle and shake. He's ok that the FD leaves a little oil puddle everywhere it sits for more than 20 minutes. Quality details don't matter to a twenty-something male. All that matters is how fast to 60 mph...how fast to 1320...how fast will it run given unlimited road... A twenty-something male doesn't even really care about handling prowess, or lateral stick...because he just wants that push in his back streaking down the interstate with his foot on the gas pedal tempting fate...
Yet all 40-to-50-something males were ONCE 20-something males...so when a 20-something male in his FD Rx7 engages a 40-something male to a street race, the 40-something male regresses back to a 20-something male, except this time the 40-something male has MONEY and horsepower disguised in fine luxury (the Porsche 996 Carrera)...and the inevetiable happens...the 20-something male gets his *** whooped...BUT it's all in fun, and the two males part company...the 40-something male gets his adrenaline rush, and suddenly feels alive (at 40-something), and the 20-something male has something to work toward...
So if you break it down...it's really a generational difference in tastes between would-be owners of 3rd Gen Rx7s, and would-be owners of Porsche 996es...
Yeah I have a video of the '95 Triple M Mazda Rx7 SP win over the Porsche 993 Carrera S Club Sports.
I'm sorry to say that your American counterparts don't have the same bragging rights that you Aussies have for FD Rx7 victories over the Porsche 993s...
As potent as the Porsche 993s were, the 996es are faster than the 993s, and surprisingly more reliable (eventhough the diehard air-cooled 911 enthusiasts panned the water cooled flat-six!).
toadman,
I agree that Porsche is jumping on the SUV bandwagon. BMW and Mercedes did, so why not, right?
True the new 996es are quite luxurious for sports cars. You'd hardly guess that you're driving a 180-mph sports car, but I guess that's what the well-heeled want for their money...
Think about the typical Porsche 996-owner. Probaby a male in his mid-40s (or early 50s). When you get to that age range, you start to expect luxury in everything, because you've made do for most your life. So now the 40-to-50-something male can afford a Porsche Carrera, and of course he wants the car to ride as nice as possible. He wants quality workmanship, fine, supple leathers in the interior, and all the best that Porsche has to offer...
Now think about a typical FD Rx7 owner. Probably a male in his 20s. He's undoubtedly the third or fourth owner of his FD. His FD is probably beat up, because he bought the FD for $9000 and hopes to dump $20000 worth of mods in his FD to make it a supercar
He probably has NOT experienced the finer things in life. He's ok with a brutal ride quality. He's ok with chintzy plastic pieces that rattle and shake. He's ok that the FD leaves a little oil puddle everywhere it sits for more than 20 minutes. Quality details don't matter to a twenty-something male. All that matters is how fast to 60 mph...how fast to 1320...how fast will it run given unlimited road... A twenty-something male doesn't even really care about handling prowess, or lateral stick...because he just wants that push in his back streaking down the interstate with his foot on the gas pedal tempting fate...Yet all 40-to-50-something males were ONCE 20-something males...so when a 20-something male in his FD Rx7 engages a 40-something male to a street race, the 40-something male regresses back to a 20-something male, except this time the 40-something male has MONEY and horsepower disguised in fine luxury (the Porsche 996 Carrera)...and the inevetiable happens...the 20-something male gets his *** whooped...BUT it's all in fun, and the two males part company...the 40-something male gets his adrenaline rush, and suddenly feels alive (at 40-something), and the 20-something male has something to work toward...
So if you break it down...it's really a generational difference in tastes between would-be owners of 3rd Gen Rx7s, and would-be owners of Porsche 996es...
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Originally posted by SleepR1
No contest...Porsche 996.
I test-drove a 296-hp 1999 version, and it was considerably more powerful than my FD. Remember the Porsche is normally aspirated, so there's no boost lag...just a linear rush of power.
I can only presume the 2002 320-hp versions are even more of an adreanline rush.
The sweet thing about the Porsche is that it's perfectly usable and comfortable transportation, but the 996 can also be used on the race track with very little done to prepare the 996 for track use!
As for handling, the '99 996 was quite neutral, with power oversteer on demand with your right foot.
Steering feel was excellent, and telepathic.
I really love the new ergonomics of the 996es, compared with the 993s and older 911 Carreras.
The 2002 Porsche 996 Carrera is a wonderful sports car, and worth the asking price! If I could afford a 2002 996 Carrera, I 'd have one!
No contest...Porsche 996.
I test-drove a 296-hp 1999 version, and it was considerably more powerful than my FD. Remember the Porsche is normally aspirated, so there's no boost lag...just a linear rush of power.
I can only presume the 2002 320-hp versions are even more of an adreanline rush.
The sweet thing about the Porsche is that it's perfectly usable and comfortable transportation, but the 996 can also be used on the race track with very little done to prepare the 996 for track use!
As for handling, the '99 996 was quite neutral, with power oversteer on demand with your right foot.
Steering feel was excellent, and telepathic.
I really love the new ergonomics of the 996es, compared with the 993s and older 911 Carreras.
The 2002 Porsche 996 Carrera is a wonderful sports car, and worth the asking price! If I could afford a 2002 996 Carrera, I 'd have one!
04-08-02, 05:44 PM
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Yeah, I can't wait to instruct my Porsche student in a couple of weeks at Putnam Park...instructors get to drive the student cars during the first session (hee hee)
04-08-02, 05:48 PM
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I feel a bit sorry for the Porsche purists, watching their elite cars from Stuttgart get diluted amidst the upscale SUV and me-too roadster crowd.
Don't get me wrong, they are fine automobiles but they're losing their exclusivity, passion and stigma.
Hey mom, look! A Porsche SUV! *yawn*
I feel a bit sorry for the Porsche purists, watching their elite cars from Stuttgart get diluted amidst the upscale SUV and me-too roadster crowd.
Don't get me wrong, they are fine automobiles but they're losing their exclusivity, passion and stigma.
Hey mom, look! A Porsche SUV! *yawn*
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I'm a Porsche man through and through, and so is my father. But I lost all respect and faith in the company with that bastard of a creation the Cayenne SUV.
I'm a Porsche man through and through, and so is my father. But I lost all respect and faith in the company with that bastard of a creation the Cayenne SUV.
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