2014 FD new options: onboard logging/tuning. help sought
12-23-13, 08:22 AM
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2014 FD new options: onboard logging/tuning. help sought
for many years my laptop has been perched on the passenger seat of my FD as i have logged runs on the road. Power FC/Datalogit/Laptop. it worked for me and many FD pilots.
recently i ran the Texas Mile. needing to be tech'd for over 200 everything had to be bolted down, including my HP Pavilion. since the pass seat was out of the cabin for the event i ended up bolting the laptop to the pass side floor.
i really, really wanted the logs from the runs.
it turned out that the line for the runs positioned my car so the sun was at my back and it blanked out the screen. which had probably (?) reverted to screensaver mode... i didn't know the status as i was belted in and couldn't do much but hit F8 which would have started the logging.
so no logs.
meanwhile the tech train has moved a long way down the tracks since the Pavilion.
i will be back at the Texas Mile in late March and will log my runs.
i am thinking tablet. it would have to be able to load my ViPEC V88 program. it would need to connect w either a USB or CAN... (which is better? i can do either) i have around 75 separate items to log and i of course want as much data as possible... certainly 20 Hz or better.
i was in Best Buy a month ago and the guy suggested a Surface Pro 2 but mentioned other options would shortly be available. probably logging speed might be a question... i want as much as possible.
by having a notebook or thereabouts size i could, while belted in, hold it and then when time came to make the run i could slide it into an aluminum container/slot and tech would be happy.
i think there is something like a Windows Pro 2 that would work, i believe Dell makes something but i am not anywhere near where i need to be to make the best decision.
i would greatly appreciate help on this matter which is important to me and i suspect a great many others.
TIA,
howard
recently i ran the Texas Mile. needing to be tech'd for over 200 everything had to be bolted down, including my HP Pavilion. since the pass seat was out of the cabin for the event i ended up bolting the laptop to the pass side floor.
i really, really wanted the logs from the runs.
it turned out that the line for the runs positioned my car so the sun was at my back and it blanked out the screen. which had probably (?) reverted to screensaver mode... i didn't know the status as i was belted in and couldn't do much but hit F8 which would have started the logging.
so no logs.
meanwhile the tech train has moved a long way down the tracks since the Pavilion.
i will be back at the Texas Mile in late March and will log my runs.
i am thinking tablet. it would have to be able to load my ViPEC V88 program. it would need to connect w either a USB or CAN... (which is better? i can do either) i have around 75 separate items to log and i of course want as much data as possible... certainly 20 Hz or better.
i was in Best Buy a month ago and the guy suggested a Surface Pro 2 but mentioned other options would shortly be available. probably logging speed might be a question... i want as much as possible.
by having a notebook or thereabouts size i could, while belted in, hold it and then when time came to make the run i could slide it into an aluminum container/slot and tech would be happy.
i think there is something like a Windows Pro 2 that would work, i believe Dell makes something but i am not anywhere near where i need to be to make the best decision.
i would greatly appreciate help on this matter which is important to me and i suspect a great many others.
TIA,
howard
12-23-13, 08:37 AM
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Could you just plug in a thumb drive and have the ECU save data logs that way? I know several of the new ECU's that come with onboard logging will constantly overwrite themselves in loops of however much memory is onboard (mine has a base memory of 1MB). That really does stink that your Link doesn't have onboard logging...
Are any of the common dash display/loggers (like the AIM MXL for example) compatible with your ECU?
Are any of the common dash display/loggers (like the AIM MXL for example) compatible with your ECU?
12-23-13, 10:18 AM
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Give this guy a try: DisplayLink - graphical user interface — Link Engine Management Systems - plug-in & wire-in aftermarket ECU's
It's for the Link and it's meant to log 30 min worth of data, obviously your logging time will likely decrease if you add more variables that you're trying to track.
Either way, that combined with a drive to dump your data on to should sort out your lack of logging.
It's for the Link and it's meant to log 30 min worth of data, obviously your logging time will likely decrease if you add more variables that you're trying to track.
Either way, that combined with a drive to dump your data on to should sort out your lack of logging.
12-23-13, 11:07 AM
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thanks for getting me thinking in the right direction... i have 4 MB of logging thru the ecu.
never mind, however the subject might still be if interest for Power FC owners.
hc
never mind, however the subject might still be if interest for Power FC owners.
hc
Last edited by Howard Coleman; 12-23-13 at 11:10 AM.
12-23-13, 11:39 AM
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AiM-sportline's new EVO4 series of loggers are awesome, inexpensive, and extremely expandable. You don't need to swap over to their dash units anymore if you're interested in keeping your stock gauges, however they still supply the display only Pista 'Dash' unit, as well as their GT series steering wheels.
AiM EVO4
AiM MXL Dash
AiM GT Steering Wheel
They support linear potentiometers, O2 expanders, EGT expanders, etc etc. and talk directly with most ECUs via CAN or serial. I'm currently installing one in a 3 rotor GT2 car, so far its been a breeze and easily configurable.
AiM EVO4
AiM MXL Dash
AiM GT Steering Wheel
They support linear potentiometers, O2 expanders, EGT expanders, etc etc. and talk directly with most ECUs via CAN or serial. I'm currently installing one in a 3 rotor GT2 car, so far its been a breeze and easily configurable.
12-23-13, 09:58 PM
#7
I'd suggest taking a look at Autosport Labs Race Capture. Cool stuff and only $400
RaceCapture/Pro Data Logger | Autosport Labs
RaceCapture/Pro brings data logging and control with real-time telemetry capabilities to your race or street car
Log
High Frequency 10Hz GPS
Precision 3 Axis accelerometer
Yaw Sensor
8 Analog inputs
1Hz to 200Hz logging
Hardware expansion to add OBD-II and CAN
All in a compact, rugged enclosure
Analyze
A data acquisition system like this wouldn’t be complete without software. Race Capture Pro includes software which allows you to configure the hardware settings as well as perform analysis on your racing data.
Control
Race Capture Pro doesn’t only collect data; it can process it in real-time and control devices on your race car.
Activate a fan or intercooler spray based on temperature. Intercept and re-map an OEM sensor to override stock engine management behavior.
In Real-Time
Stream telemetry to the cloud in real-time with RaceCapture Live, where you can monitor your race car’s vitals from the pits or anywhere in the world on your web-connected device.
Compact Digital Dash to display lap times / Android app dashboard
Features in detail
High Frequency 10Hz GPS for accurately tracking your position in the world
Precision 3 Axis digital accelerometer to measure G-forces in all directions
Yaw Sensor to measure car rotation and detect oversteer and understeer conditions
Sensor inputs to measure engine temperature, throttle / brake position, boost pressure, wheel speed, RPM and more
Hardware expansion to add future OBD-II and CAN interface upgrades
Log sensor data from 1Hz to 200HZ
Software which allows you to configure the hardware settings as well as perform analysis on your racing data
Connectivity port connects optional Real Time Telemetry expansion that streams your race car data right to the internet, enabling monitoring from the pits or anywhere else in the world
Bluetooth add-on to connect Android based dashboard
All in a compact, rugged enclosure you’d be proud to show off!
Real Time Telemetry Option
RaceCapture/Pro’s cellular telemetry module add-on allows you to see in real time your race car’s performance and stats via a pre-paid T-Mobile SIM card (purchased separately; AT&T support coming soon). Data streams directly to the cloud to race-capture.com and is viewable from anywhere, whether the pits, to friends at home, or fans far away.
RaceCapture/RealTime benefits and features
Make more strategic decisions based on live data from your car
View vital stats from anywhere in the world with an internet connection
Allow your drivers to do what they do best while you monitor your vehicle’s performance
Plan your racing and pit strategy based on real data
Share lap times and GPS location with your team’s fans
Track and record lap times
Replay and analyze previous events (coming soon!)
RaceCapture/Pro Data Logger | Autosport Labs
RaceCapture/Pro brings data logging and control with real-time telemetry capabilities to your race or street car
Log
High Frequency 10Hz GPS
Precision 3 Axis accelerometer
Yaw Sensor
8 Analog inputs
1Hz to 200Hz logging
Hardware expansion to add OBD-II and CAN
All in a compact, rugged enclosure
Analyze
A data acquisition system like this wouldn’t be complete without software. Race Capture Pro includes software which allows you to configure the hardware settings as well as perform analysis on your racing data.
Control
Race Capture Pro doesn’t only collect data; it can process it in real-time and control devices on your race car.
Activate a fan or intercooler spray based on temperature. Intercept and re-map an OEM sensor to override stock engine management behavior.
In Real-Time
Stream telemetry to the cloud in real-time with RaceCapture Live, where you can monitor your race car’s vitals from the pits or anywhere in the world on your web-connected device.
Compact Digital Dash to display lap times / Android app dashboard
Features in detail
High Frequency 10Hz GPS for accurately tracking your position in the world
Precision 3 Axis digital accelerometer to measure G-forces in all directions
Yaw Sensor to measure car rotation and detect oversteer and understeer conditions
Sensor inputs to measure engine temperature, throttle / brake position, boost pressure, wheel speed, RPM and more
Hardware expansion to add future OBD-II and CAN interface upgrades
Log sensor data from 1Hz to 200HZ
Software which allows you to configure the hardware settings as well as perform analysis on your racing data
Connectivity port connects optional Real Time Telemetry expansion that streams your race car data right to the internet, enabling monitoring from the pits or anywhere else in the world
Bluetooth add-on to connect Android based dashboard
All in a compact, rugged enclosure you’d be proud to show off!
Real Time Telemetry Option
RaceCapture/Pro’s cellular telemetry module add-on allows you to see in real time your race car’s performance and stats via a pre-paid T-Mobile SIM card (purchased separately; AT&T support coming soon). Data streams directly to the cloud to race-capture.com and is viewable from anywhere, whether the pits, to friends at home, or fans far away.
RaceCapture/RealTime benefits and features
Make more strategic decisions based on live data from your car
View vital stats from anywhere in the world with an internet connection
Allow your drivers to do what they do best while you monitor your vehicle’s performance
Plan your racing and pit strategy based on real data
Share lap times and GPS location with your team’s fans
Track and record lap times
Replay and analyze previous events (coming soon!)
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12-24-13, 08:12 AM
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in addition to the logging capability, i am looking for a windows based tablet type of display so i can call up graphs of the logs as well as the auto tune feature so i still am needing some help.
it is important to get back in line after a run as it can be 2 hours plus between runs. i could go back to my pit, grab my HP, plug it in to the ECU log and do what i needed to do tuning-wise but i would be significantly delaying my next run.
w a tablet i could just get back in line and work the tablet while waiting.
howard
it is important to get back in line after a run as it can be 2 hours plus between runs. i could go back to my pit, grab my HP, plug it in to the ECU log and do what i needed to do tuning-wise but i would be significantly delaying my next run.
w a tablet i could just get back in line and work the tablet while waiting.
howard
12-24-13, 10:27 AM
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Just change the laptop to not go into screensaver or hibernation in both the "while plugged in" and "when unplugged" options. Then you don't have to spend any money. Or we could all find something sweet to justify a Xmas gift.
12-24-13, 04:21 PM
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in addition to the logging capability, i am looking for a windows based tablet type of display so i can call up graphs of the logs as well as the auto tune feature so i still am needing some help.
it is important to get back in line after a run as it can be 2 hours plus between runs. i could go back to my pit, grab my HP, plug it in to the ECU log and do what i needed to do tuning-wise but i would be significantly delaying my next run.
w a tablet i could just get back in line and work the tablet while waiting.
howard
it is important to get back in line after a run as it can be 2 hours plus between runs. i could go back to my pit, grab my HP, plug it in to the ECU log and do what i needed to do tuning-wise but i would be significantly delaying my next run.
w a tablet i could just get back in line and work the tablet while waiting.
howard
Why not tune the car before you leave and not have to fix it when you get there?
People have installed tablets into their cars and can view live data but I wouldn't trust a tablet to change the values in the ecu because I find it is a bit more difficult. Jmo
12-24-13, 11:15 PM
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If it an update to your laptop, how about a Panasonic Toughpad?
Can't get my link to work. Just do a Google search for Panasonic Toughpad...
The Toughbook, which is what a lot of law enforcement folks use, is rugged and there are mounts for cars. Can't confirm a mount for the Toughpad yet. Have a demo on loan from Panasonic right now. We are looking at using them as a mobile solution for use in chemical plants. The one I have has GPS, front/rear camera, Mobi chip, plus a few other bells & whistles. Key for us is that it can be Class I, Div II C&D certified (that's non-spark generating for those who are not familiar with the classification).
Can't get my link to work. Just do a Google search for Panasonic Toughpad...
The Toughbook, which is what a lot of law enforcement folks use, is rugged and there are mounts for cars. Can't confirm a mount for the Toughpad yet. Have a demo on loan from Panasonic right now. We are looking at using them as a mobile solution for use in chemical plants. The one I have has GPS, front/rear camera, Mobi chip, plus a few other bells & whistles. Key for us is that it can be Class I, Div II C&D certified (that's non-spark generating for those who are not familiar with the classification).
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12-25-13, 02:23 PM
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I say use the onboard logging on the Link ECU. If you've got 4 megabytes on board that will be enough to cover an entire run. Make the logging as robust as possible to any sort of silly thing like bad glare, laptop freezing up, whatever.
Set it to engage with a trigger if you want to--a button on the dash if it can do that, or parameters within the ECU (TPS value etc). The problem with these third party external loggers is that they can't read calculations done in the ECU. You want to know how boost control and air temperature compensation were working? That's not going to be easy to record with an external device meant to read OBD II data or 0-5v analog inputs.
A tablet is fine for some display purposes, but the real work is going to have to be done with a laptop. I don't see how you can carefully analyze the data without the flexibility of a laptop. Toughbooks are fine but they are really expensive.
Set it to engage with a trigger if you want to--a button on the dash if it can do that, or parameters within the ECU (TPS value etc). The problem with these third party external loggers is that they can't read calculations done in the ECU. You want to know how boost control and air temperature compensation were working? That's not going to be easy to record with an external device meant to read OBD II data or 0-5v analog inputs.
A tablet is fine for some display purposes, but the real work is going to have to be done with a laptop. I don't see how you can carefully analyze the data without the flexibility of a laptop. Toughbooks are fine but they are really expensive.
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