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Old 10-08-19, 06:15 PM
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PR 2002 Blue Type-R Bathrust FS in PR!

Casually driving I spotted this Blue FD on the street in front of a used car dealer, parked next to a blue R3 RX-8. I only took a few pics though. I noticed it's rhd and when the salesman came over he said it was recently imported and is not registered yet. They do not know much about the car, they imported it from Florida.

VIN is FD3S-605530, googled it and supposedly it's a 2002 Blue Type-R Bathrust! I didn't get a chance to check it out too much, it was factory original as far as I could tell, rear seats, interior plastics in meh shape, itt had some aftermarket 18 or 19" wheels though, not the originals. They're asking $40k. Will post the few pics I got later.

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Ask them if it has a title lol
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Ask them if it has a title lol
they probably do but that doesnt make it fed legal
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Originally Posted by AE_Racer
they probably do but that doesnt make it fed legal
I'm by no means an expert on this, but I believe since the FD was sold here it is okay to import a rhd one under 25 years old but with some caveats. I know the windshield has to be changed out for dot approved glass, etc. I swear I saw one at a dealership like a decade ago before they were 25 years exempt that was federally legal and the salesperson mentioned everything that had to be done to bring the car into compliance for DOT.

Whether that one is or not, I have no idea. Look at the windshield and see if its DOT approved glass, that'd be a tell tale sign right there. Then again, that loophole could have only applied to the same model year FD's we got here.
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Not federally legal, unless 25 years old or more. PR is part of the US as far as EPA is concerned.
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Originally Posted by SwappedNA
I'm by no means an expert on this, but I believe since the FD was sold here it is okay to import a rhd one under 25 years old but with some caveats. I know the windshield has to be changed out for dot approved glass, etc. I swear I saw one at a dealership like a decade ago before they were 25 years exempt that was federally legal and the salesperson mentioned everything that had to be done to bring the car into compliance for DOT.

Whether that one is or not, I have no idea. Look at the windshield and see if its DOT approved glass, that'd be a tell tale sign right there. Then again, that loophole could have only applied to the same model year FD's we got here.
no, 99.99% of the under 25 year cars are illegal. they were likely imported as bags of rice or bed sheets. regardless if it was sold here or not, the 25 year applies with the exception of the ones ON the nhsta exemption list which is published on their website.
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no, 99.99% of the under 25 year cars are illegal. they were likely imported as bags of rice or bed sheets. regardless if it was sold here or not, the 25 year applies with the exception of the ones ON the nhsta exemption list which is published on their website.
It designates the FD on the list for our model years we received here, but it doesn't have the RHD attribute. It's been well over a decade, but I remember it having some sort of stamp or certification on the firewall or door jamb about some kind of compliance. Of course it could very well have been federally illegal. I believe it was a 92 or 93, but again, could all be irrelevant if it was federally illegal.
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correct. its the RHD designation that isnt present that makes it not legal. the cost and time involved with making a non-compliant car compliant is tremendous. many many many times the cost of an FD in any form. anyone in a position to front the cost isnt going to spend time bringing a RHD FD into regulation when there are relatively so many LHD examples available.
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Originally Posted by SwappedNA
I'm by no means an expert on this, but I believe since the FD was sold here it is okay to import a rhd one under 25 years old but with some caveats. I know the windshield has to be changed out for dot approved glass, etc. I swear I saw one at a dealership like a decade ago before they were 25 years exempt that was federally legal and the salesperson mentioned everything that had to be done to bring the car into compliance for DOT.

Whether that one is or not, I have no idea. Look at the windshield and see if its DOT approved glass, that'd be a tell tale sign right there. Then again, that loophole could have only applied to the same model year FD's we got here.
This has been discussed many times on this forum. It is illegal if it's under 25 years old unless it has qualified for show-and-display law (or whatever it's called). However that doesn't stop people from bringing in these cars and registering them under false VINs like a lot of the R34s, Evo V, Evo VI, S15, or Spirit R that seem to be popping up in, and all around, Forida in many Youtube videos.
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Made an account just to comment on this. If this is the same one on ebay, it has a false VIN stolen from a 94 RX7 turbo. It's an illegal car.
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we appreciate that very much.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Mazda-...dpmXI#viTabs_0

same one
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Originally Posted by cr-rex
we appreciate that very much.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Mazda-...dpmXI#viTabs_0

same one
YES! That's it. That's the one. I was about to link it.
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what else do you know about it?
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Originally Posted by cr-rex
what else do you know about it?
Basically it. I don't live in Puerto Rico but I know a shady car when I see one. If you punch the VIN # into a VIN decoder(I used autozones) it comes up as a 1994 Mazda RX7 3 1.3L Rotary FI Turbo, which is interesting considering it wasn't made to be sold here. I know the VIN for ebay is all 0's which makes it even shadier, as they also put the "VIN" in the description. The whole ebay post just has shade written all over it to me. I just didn't want someone to buy it then be upset when like the fbi shows up and takes it and crushes it.

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yes, you make a valid point. that vin number on the listing is not for or from that car. the title he claims to have is likley from that car though. so hes trying to do a switch-a-roo and put THAT title on THAT car. so long as no one actually has to check the vin then you kind of win. here in florida, if i show up with a title and a proof of insurance, i can walk out with a license plate. at no point is any verification done that the car im there to register even exists. the only time thats actually done is for ACTUALLY imported vehicles and for rebuilt title vehicles. in this case, he already has a title so that verification would never happen. here in florida, you could very easily get away with that car.

otherwise, yes. this is very clearly as shady as it gets. anyone who actually buys this is a fool. the seller himself also seems to be a fool considering he posted a picture of the japanese vin. if he was trying to get away with being shady, hes basically broadcasting the dead giveaway about how messed up this whole deal is.

very exciting to watch
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Originally Posted by cr-rex
yes, you make a valid point. that vin number on the listing is not for or from that car. the title he claims to have is likley from that car though. so hes trying to do a switch-a-roo and put THAT title on THAT car. so long as no one actually has to check the vin then you kind of win. here in florida, if i show up with a title and a proof of insurance, i can walk out with a license plate. at no point is any verification done that the car im there to register even exists. the only time thats actually done is for ACTUALLY imported vehicles and for rebuilt title vehicles. in this case, he already has a title so that verification would never happen. here in florida, you could very easily get away with that car.

otherwise, yes. this is very clearly as shady as it gets. anyone who actually buys this is a fool. the seller himself also seems to be a fool considering he posted a picture of the japanese vin. if he was trying to get away with being shady, hes basically broadcasting the dead giveaway about how messed up this whole deal is.

very exciting to watch
Oh yeah Florida doesn't care. You can get away with a lot of stuff in Florida when it comes to cars lol. Here in GA it's the same but I think they do check the VIN. I could be wrong. When I went to register my Gen Coupe they didn't really need anything but the title lol

But yes, it is exciting to watch. I'm excited to see what happens next.
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yes, you make a valid point. that vin number on the listing is not for or from that car. the title he claims to have is likley from that car though. so hes trying to do a switch-a-roo and put THAT title on THAT car. so long as no one actually has to check the vin then you kind of win. here in florida, if i show up with a title and a proof of insurance, i can walk out with a license plate. at no point is any verification done that the car im there to register even exists. the only time thats actually done is for ACTUALLY imported vehicles and for rebuilt title vehicles. in this case, he already has a title so that verification would never happen. here in florida, you could very easily get away with that car.

otherwise, yes. this is very clearly as shady as it gets. anyone who actually buys this is a fool. the seller himself also seems to be a fool considering he posted a picture of the japanese vin. if he was trying to get away with being shady, hes basically broadcasting the dead giveaway about how messed up this whole deal is.

very exciting to watch

Interesting. Any time i've brought a car to a FL DMV with a title from out of the state, they come out to verify the VIN, and the mileage when required (under a certain age).
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The vin in the auction description comes up as this car, interested to see a carfax on it. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-Mazda-...4AAOSwmRBdSyX-
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Originally Posted by AE_Racer
Interesting. Any time i've brought a car to a FL DMV with a title from out of the state, they come out to verify the VIN, and the mileage when required (under a certain age).
Ahhh... I hadn't considered that. I never registered an out of state vehicle before.

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The vin in the auction description comes up as this car, interested to see a carfax on it. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-Mazda-...4AAOSwmRBdSyX-
Ohhohohohoohoohohoho... the plot thickens
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Ahhh... I hadn't considered that. I never registered an out of state vehicle before.


Ohhohohohoohoohohoho... the plot thickens

nvm, from the 02 auction description:

LISTED AS 1980 BECAUSE EBAY DON'T HAVE 2002 OPTION and vin is a random because jdm vin is not in system

It has pictures of the appropriate chassis code in their original spots which is: fd3s-605530
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The description section is all user input. He didnt need to put a vin from a random fd. He could have just as easily put the jdm vin in there. Theres no reason to have input it there. Very intentional misdirection....
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Yea whole thing is weird. Its illegal anyway, full stop. But im sure someone will buy it.
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of course.... hopefully whoever does, ends up here on the forum
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Originally Posted by AE_Racer
The vin in the auction description comes up as this car, interested to see a carfax on it. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-Mazda-...4AAOSwmRBdSyX-
You did some diggin man. This is amazing. Hopefully more people can find out more. Another thing is in the description he said "no mods" yet he goes on to describe a slew of mods done to the vehicle.. I don't like it. I don't like it one bit.
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Originally Posted by cr-rex
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Mazda-...dpmXI#viTabs_0

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Yeah its this one, it wasn't so shiny sitting on the side of the street by the used car dealer. The phone # one the description is from PR. I don't know about the vin though.


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