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Old Dec 27, 2003 | 08:11 AM
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is 10/40 oil ok to use in the fd?

Well even if its not ive been using it with good results so far.So heres the deal.During the summer I was using 5/30 and 10/30 oil.But it was just too thin.The engine ate like half a quart a week and it ran way hotter than I remember it running.I talked to a friend of mine who happens to know a lot about cars.He suggested i get thicker oil.He said it would stand up to the heat better.Especially when he saw how hot the rotary gets.He said in theory that the thicker oil should last longer and should also cool the engine better.So I bought a quart of 10/40 synthetic and put it in.The car runs better,stays cooler,and ive checked my dipstick numerous times to see if the engines been eating up oil and the dipstick barely changes.I already know about the oil injection into the combustion chamber and that its perfectly normal.My question is this.Im not running full 10/40.More like a mix of 5/30 and 10/40.Im coming up on an oil change and I wonder if running full 10/40 will change the results of my findings and also if it will be detrimental to my engine.
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Old Dec 27, 2003 | 10:21 AM
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Most peope don't recommend 10w-40 because of the additives. Use either 10w-30 or 10w-50.
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Old Dec 27, 2003 | 10:31 AM
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hmm.well ive tried to use 10/30 already with somewhat questionable results.What additives are in 10/40 thats bad for the rotary? Basically what does it do to the engine thats bad? you also mentioned 10/50.So I take it that 10/50 is thicker than 10/40 and no harmfull additives? if thats true then 10/50 is for me.The thicker the more protection for my baby.And the cooler it will probably stay.Right?
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Old Dec 27, 2003 | 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by maxcooper
Conventional (mineral) 10W-40 oils have more viscosity enhancers in them, and this has given them the reputation of not performing as well as other weights. No car manufacturer that I know of recommends this weight for any of their new cars, which might also be an indication that it isn't good oil. As with most information available about oils, this is more of a rumor than a substantiated fact.

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The thicker the oil, the longer it will take to warm up. If you are in Colorado, you should run 10w-30 during the colder months. Then, if you want to switch, switch to 20w-50 during the warmer months or on tracks days if you put the car on a track.
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Old Dec 27, 2003 | 11:02 AM
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I normally run 20w50 Castrol dino juice during the hot seasons, and during the cold, run 10w40 dino. I have recently switched to 15W50 synthetic since I removed my OMP.
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Old Dec 27, 2003 | 11:39 AM
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No, its not ok.
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Old Dec 27, 2003 | 11:55 AM
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so synthetic 10/30 in the winter and synthetic 20/50 in the summer.sounds good to me.
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Old Dec 27, 2003 | 01:10 PM
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I use 10/30 syn year round. 10/30 is all my car has ever seen. At 85K, I have no complaints so far.
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Old Dec 27, 2003 | 01:58 PM
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what is wrong with 10/40? Ive been running it all winter?
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Old Dec 27, 2003 | 02:14 PM
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what is wrong with 10/40? Ive been running it all winter?
Read the above statements for your answer.
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Old Dec 27, 2003 | 02:19 PM
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I read and see that it says it has harmful additives... but why would it be worse than 20/50 or 10/30 dont they have the same additives? I thought the only difference was in weighting and viscosity?
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Old Dec 27, 2003 | 02:23 PM
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but why would it be worse than 20/50 or 10/30 dont they have the same additives?
No

Originally posted by XSTransAm
I thought the only difference was in weighting and viscosity?
Wrong again. Not all motor oils are the same.
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Old Dec 27, 2003 | 02:29 PM
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so im not supposed to run 10/40 because it has some special additive that all the other weights dont? does anyone have any information what this additive is or why it shouldent be used? does it eat seals or bearings or something?
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Old Dec 27, 2003 | 02:45 PM
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For what ist worth,I have been using Pennzoil 10-40 for over 20 years in all ( except my 8) of my trucks, cars and motorcycles and have never had an engine(rotary or piston) failure.
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Old Dec 27, 2003 | 02:50 PM
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this is why im asking, i see ALOT of misinformation on these forums and I want to see if anyone has any real facts to back it up or if its just hearsay
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Old Dec 27, 2003 | 02:57 PM
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this is why im asking, i see ALOT of misinformation on these forums and I want to see if anyone has any real facts to back it up or if its just hearsay
Here is a good link for you to read. It will answer all of your questions. It is more then you ever wanted to know about motor oil.

http://www.vtr.org/maintain/oil-overview.html

Quoted directly from the site.

Multi viscosity oils are one of the great improvements in oils, but they should be chosen wisely. Always use a multi grade with the narrowest span of viscosity that is appropriate for the temperatures you are going to encounter. In the winter base your decision on the lowest temperature you will encounter, in the summer, the highest temperature you expect. The polymers can shear and burn forming deposits that can cause ring sticking and other problems. 10W-40 and 5W-30 require a lot of polymers (synthetics excluded) to achieve that range. This has caused problems in diesel engines, but fewer polymers are better for all engines. The wide viscosity range oils, in general, are more prone to viscosity and thermal breakdown due to the high polymer content. It is the oil that lubricates, not the additives. Oils that can do their job with the fewest additives are the best.

Very few manufactures recommend 10W-40 any more, and some threaten to void warranties if it is used. It was not included in this article for that reason. 20W-50 is the same 30 point spread, but because it starts with a heavier base it requires less viscosity index improvers (polymers) to do the job. AMSOIL can formulate their 10W-30 and 15W-40 with no viscosity index improvers but uses some in the 10W-40 and 5W-30. Mobil 1 uses no viscosity improvers in their 5W-30, and I assume the new 10W-30. Follow your manufacturer's recommendations as to which weights are appropriate for your vehicle.
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Old Dec 27, 2003 | 04:13 PM
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this is why im asking, i see ALOT of misinformation on these forums and I want to see if anyone has any real facts to back it up or if its just hearsay
BYW, On my cars & trucks I change the oil every 3 months or 3000 miles. I change the oil every other ride on dirt bikes.
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Old Dec 27, 2003 | 06:43 PM
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For a start, it's considered a bad idea to use any kind of synthetic oil in a rotary. IMO you should be using a mineral based oil. Any of you that say you shouldn't use 10w-40 because of the additives should check the kind of crap used in synthetic that won't fully combust, leaving lots of ***** in your housings.

I recommend Castrol GTX 10w-40 (Don't think Castrol make the 10w-30 anymore!)

But hey, what would I know :P
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Old Dec 29, 2003 | 03:18 AM
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What does Mazda recommend on the FD 1999+?

I have been using 10W - 30 since this is what Mazda & my mechanic recommends. However, as in Greece it gets really hot I was wondering whether I should be using something else...
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Old Dec 29, 2003 | 07:45 AM
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Well while we are on the subject how about straight 30 weight in the summer? I am guessing it would have no additives at all since it doesn't need to morph or whatever the 10wXX does.
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Old Dec 29, 2003 | 08:08 AM
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No don't run it, everytime you do god kills a kitten!
That and it's the $hit oil.
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Old Dec 29, 2003 | 08:36 AM
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I use Mobil 1 15W50. Mobil 1 synthetic is all my 13,000-mile KDR street-ported motor has used since Jan 2003.
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Old Dec 29, 2003 | 10:04 AM
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maybe the discussion of the additives maybe a myth??

not sure...

but my BMW M3 uses 10-60 (yes it is a real weight and only castrol makes it and cost $8-9 aquart!!) and the oil change recommended by BMW is around every 15000 miles!
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Old Dec 29, 2003 | 10:11 AM
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Mazda's ONLY recomended Oils for the FD are 10-30, for most regions, and 5-30 for climates w/Average temps BELOW 32degF (0c) they do not recomend anything heavier than 10-30 for any climate range - I run Castrol GTX 10-30.
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Old Dec 29, 2003 | 10:18 AM
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here is a group of people studying Mobil1 (on the same site they are currently comparing Mobil1 vs. Amsoil)

http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/mobil1.html

the interesting thing about the analysis of the data and oil is that they concluded 8-15000 miles between changes and that "topping off" the oil and changing the filter was just as good and that changes every 3000 miles actually caused MORE wear on the engine...
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