TurboTagTeam

How can you say this??? Any serious Rotor guy is definatly on this site.

You been a rx-7 owner for a very short time. Why don't you learn how to drive the car before you go out trying to make insane power. 450whp in a fd???? I seriously doubt you know what that is gonna be like in a 2500lbs street car. I'm guessing that your next thread topic is gonna be how, you blew your motor, or crashed your car on the way home.

Settle down.

rynberg

The point is that you aren't really knowledgable about what is required to run those power levels, and it doesn't sound like your tuning shop is either. Basically, at best, it's going to be a partial waste of time, because you don't have the proper mods to run those levels. Worst case, you blow the motor, and the apex seals shred the turbine wheel on your turbo.

As far as holes in your story, you made it sound like you are currently driving around on the stock ecu with a pretty good-sized single turbo. A lot of what you are saying just doesn't make sense. Now either it's because you aren't knowledgable enough, or it's because you're making things up.

If you are legit, I think you better listen up, because everyone here has been trying to help you from blowing your motor. Not next year, but during the tuning session. No one here has ever heard of that shop/tuner and guess what that means? That it's doubtful they are highly skilled with rotaries, which is what it takes to safely setup a car with those kind of power levels.

snaponbrian500hp

what hp does everyone think I am trying to get tommorow I will reiterate probably 450-400 do you not this is possible and why not b/c of no water injection and not a big enough fuel pump which btw is capable of supporting 450rwhp anyway

snaponbrian500hp

oh yea and as far as the stock ecu its actually a g-force ecu i don;t know what that is exactly but when i looked at it did look like a stock one that had been flashed or something but besides that it needs the aem it idles like crap and runs way to rich


the closest anyone has been to my area is nj 8 hours away...I don't know any shops in ca why would you know any here besides rotorsports in nc and ther has been some people on there that have heard of that shop

I think its just as important in my caqse using the AEM to get a shop that is highly proficent in that and and not necessarilt experts with the rotary

TurboTagTeam

Your not gonna put out 19psi safely with only 93oct. And 1 supra pump is not going to cut it for 450whp.

Try Again

Edit--1000cc primaries with a "chipped" ecu????? omg

snaponbrian500hp

if you read and werenlt just tring to find flaws you have seen that I haven't put the injectors in yet and on the rx7 store site it clearly staes the pump is capable unless you know more then them now

yuichiror

iTrader: (1)

Too rich? What's that ? I checked out Millenium Autosports' website, then I remembered that I stopped there once on a charity Poker run. Good size shop, but like I said, I don't know how much they know rotaries. I think most of us tend to go to PFS up in Md. If I can get my "car not starting while sitting in a parking garage issue" resolved, I'll try to stop by. Hopefully I'll be able to validate your story.

canadaisintexas

These guys are being as nice as they can possibly be snaponbrian but at the same time arent sugar coating it. What you are talking about WILL blow your motor before the summer is out without a doubt.

Steps you need to take:

Do some searches on 1600cc injectors etc. on the single turbo subforum. Even ask here in the 3rd gen section, the people are nice enough to be so worried about keeping you from blowing your motor that they will awnser your question regardless if it has been repeated a thousand times.

Probably 99% of the guys running single turbo FD's are on this forum

Theres years and years of high HP rotary experience on this forum and contrary to what you have been led to believe, everything to do with a rotary is different. Where the average joe can tune a piston motor it takes a bunch of talent and experience to tune a rotary.

You could spend a week reading thread after thread and barely learn enough to do a half *** tune right. It all comes down to experience. Look at it this way do you want your car to be the $4000 guinea pig for a guy doing his first rotary tune. I know some piston tuners that like to start WAY rich then lean the car out gradually. Do that with a rotary and you may as well say bye bye. Same applies to starting lean.

Give PFS a call, they tuned my car before i bought it and it ran fine and still would now if it wasnt for the bad coolant seal. They will probably cost less all said because they already know how to do these installs instead of you paying for hours of the shop standing around trying to figure stuff out.

All that said if you remain stubborn and your motor blows and takes everything with it including housings etc. i have a good condition 13B-REW TT that i will sell you just needs a rebuild (bad coolant seal) $900 im in NC too!

snaponbrian500hp

yea that'll be cool i mean there were plenty of shops that turned my request for tuning down so i am very confident in them esp. if I am about to pay them a 1000 to do the work....

I don;t know what needs to validated to some of these guys tho

Lupercal_CATS

$1000 seems STEEEP.

Steve kan charges like $350?

snaponbrian500hp

thanx for the input but what is going to blow my motor ???? the professional tuning, the fact that i did go out anf get a proper fuel system and have a fully built 13b with low miles i still don't here anyone say what hp can i get safely and or agressively

Montego

iTrader: (1)

Two possible outcomes:

1)You get your motor blown and have everyone say I told you so.
2) like you say this shop is the **** and you get to come back and tell everyone off.

Honestly I hope it's #2, though I don't think your motor is gonna survive high boost levels on 93 I still hope it does.

I think your car can run safe boost levels and make 375 RWHP on 93.

TurboTagTeam

Why are they tunning with aem ems?????

I'ts my assumption that they are experienced with tunning aem ems. Most reputable shops are. However, just because they can tune aem ems does NOT mean they can tune a rotary. Did you ask them if they have tuned any previous single turboed fd's??? These are not easy cars to tune. There is a reason why there are not many high horsepower rotary tuners.

snaponbrian500hp

i think the price is fair i kinda expected more maybe they really do know what they are getting into tho but 400$ to installt the rails and injectors and 600$ for aem intialization 2 hors of dyno runs and street tuning

canadaisintexas

What is going to blow the motor is the tuner not understanding what to look for when he is tuning your car. You have to look for different "signs" when tuning a rotary vs. a piston motor. Then allowing you to leave with a tune that is good but something is a little off.

BTW: for that price you could have PFS install and tune as well as pay for a UHAUL to trailer it there and back

Hell for that price you could prolly fly Steve Kan out to do it for you.

rynberg

I'm done with this thread...this guy doesn't want to listen.

Last try -- take your car to PFS instead...Ray could tune that car in his sleep.

canadaisintexas

With a piston motor you can stick the same tune on every car with an identical setup and it will run great. With a rotary that just isnt possible. Check out the ECU forum to see some of the problems other guys run in too and many of them are just doing basic tunes on almost stock cars.

snaponbrian500hp

of course I asked them they have tuned 7's before i thnk they said haltech but i could be mistaken i thought had to be burned....

I think the aem is the best if tuned right and it will be

I know I will make over 400 (damn too optimistic not) but the way the car feels i think i am not way too far awat from that at 9.5-10lbs now

I am just comparing the power to the way my last car an sti would pull

KaiFD3S

iTrader: (37)

All I can say is goodluck and hope that everything works out for you....

snaponbrian500hp

welll all this talk and all i got is about 3 responses ti my question and everyone else being negative motor blowing nuts

point blank they wouldn't tune the car if they didn;t think they could...this shop doesn't specialize in 7's but there work can be found in local supermarkets in the import mags

if the make 350 hp on a good safe tune then thats what they will do if its 400 then kick ***

either way you will see a dyno on this sight tommorow night prob late because even the shop said it will be a long day


bitch !!

KaiFD3S

iTrader: (37)

If they tune it right you should be around 375 to 410 I would say...

snaponbrian500hp

like all i ever said over 400 I am happy under a lil disappointed



btw kai where did you get your hood the only plave i have found that hood is over 1100

KaiFD3S

iTrader: (37)

Chuck @ Rotary Extreme...

eastcoastbumps

iTrader: (1)

AEM Factory trained tuners are only taught how to use the software. AEM does not teach how to tune a motor. It is understood that anyone going in to be certified already knows how to tune (piston) motors. Just because they know the software and the interface does not mean that they know how to tune every motor that AEM makes an ECU for. Be aware of that.

Good luck on the dyno. What kind of boost numbers are you thinking of? What kind of dyno do they have? I need to know before I'll guess.

snaponbrian500hp

http://www.millenniumautosports.com/dyno.php