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Where does my FD really come from ? Canada ? USA ?
Hey,
I'm from France and bought my first FD last month and I have doubts about its origin.
According to the seller, it is a Canadian imported car. The thing is, according to the VIN of the car ( JM1FD3315P******* ), it should be from the USA. (Canadian ones having a JM1FD332* code)
Also, there's something weird concerning the first registration date, which is officially 03/1996. But, again, according to the VIN, it should have been a car produced in 1993 (the P letter in the VIN)... so, why has it been released 3 years after ?? Could be a USA market unsold car, sold in Canada later ?
About the car itself :
No cruise control / No leather Seats / No sunroof
No headlight washers / No rear Wiper / No Washer tank in the trunk
2 oil intercoolers
Interior:
Indications (sun visors, etc) are written both in English AND French (like Canadians)
Cluster Speedometer is in KM/H only (like Canadians)
So, now, I don't have any clue where does this car really come from...
Canadian FD’s Speedometer is in both Kilometers (larger numbers) and Mile Per hour (smaller numbers) and the Speedo reads up to 280 KIlometers per hour.
Canadian FD’s also have day time running lights and a Maple leaf sticker in the Drivers side door jam.
If at sometime it was registered in North America there will be a CarFax report on it listing the ownership history. Check out this website, make sure you let us know if you figured out the history of your car. We love a good mystery.
The thing is I've already tried 2 other similar websites (cheaper though), and they gave me just a few informations, nothing very interesting.
Except, maybe for vinecoderz.com that gave me those informations :
I just don't know if I can trust them, there is a report from 12/1995 but the car has a first registration date in 03/1996... so maybe the car dealership made those campaign recalls before selling the car ?
What about the 3rd line about Tires in LA ? can this be a reliable information ?
Anyway, I'm not ready to pay 38€ ($44) to carfax for nothing new Unless I could be sure they have real informations before paying...
Zoom-Zoom > thanks for letting me know, indeed, I don't have the Maple leaf stickers and my speedo is Km/H only up to 280.
So, I guess it may be a USA model first, which was modified after.
I read the maple leaf comment and thought it was a joke at first.
What year did they stop selling FD's in Canada? I have a USA 1995 model year, and they didn't sell very many.
So the speedo is kilometers per hour and is the odometer in kilometers as well? Unless someone swapped in a different instrument cluster it doesn't sound US to me. Everything is in miles on US cluster, including odometer, with small kilometers/hour markings on the speedometer below the miles/hour numbers.
Those 2 entries are above are for recalls - the first is the coolant recall where they change the radiator cap and put in the fan recall stuff, and the second is the fuel hose recall where they replace/ugprade the fuel lines.
Quite possible the first was done before sale, on these recalls they have any unsold cars on the lot taken care of.
I'm from France and bought my first FD last month and I have doubts about its origin.
According to the seller, it is a Canadian imported car. The thing is, according to the VIN of the car ( JM1FD3315P******* ), it should be from the USA. (Canadian ones having a JM1FD332* code)
Also, there's something weird concerning the first registration date, which is officially 03/1996. But, again, according to the VIN, it should have been a car produced in 1993 (the P letter in the VIN)... so, why has it been released 3 years after ?? Could be a USA market unsold car, sold in Canada later ?
About the car itself :
No cruise control / No leather Seats / No sunroof
No headlight washers / No rear Wiper / No Washer tank in the trunk
2 oil intercoolers
Interior:
Indications (sun visors, etc) are written both in English AND French (like Canadians)
Cluster Speedometer is in KM/H only (like Canadians)
So, now, I don't have any clue where does this car really come from...
tomatoto,
Based upon the partial VIN you provided, the 10th character is "P" which means that it was a 1993 model year VIN. If the 10th character is an "R" then that is a 1994 model year. If the 10th character is an "S" then it is a 1995 model year car. The partial information you provided looks like that VIN was first imported into the US and then migrated into Canada then to you in France. Changing the speedo to read KPH and odometer to km is easy - Dale has a thread that talks about KPH->MPH speedometer conversions. Thank you, Dale!
I'm sure that Mkiv98 will give you a lot more information when you provide the full VIN.
There are threads that pertain to VIN decoders and VIN calculators. Check them out when you have some time to kill.
Congratulations on your FD and may it bring you 1,000 smiles/min!
I read the maple leaf comment and thought it was a joke at first.
What year did they stop selling FD's in Canada? I have a USA 1995 model year, and they didn't sell very many.
So the speedo is kilometers per hour and is the odometer in kilometers as well? Unless someone swapped in a different instrument cluster it doesn't sound US to me. Everything is in miles on US cluster, including odometer, with small kilometers/hour markings on the speedometer below the miles/hour numbers.
yep Maple Leaf in door jam on both my Canadian FD’s.
Yes speedometer is in Kilometers and MIles per Hour. In the US the Miles per hour are displayed larger with kilometers indicated smaller closer to the inside of the gauge. It’s the opposite in Canadian cars. Kilometers are larger with miles per hour displayed smaller.
Cars built for export to North America all ended with the 1995 model year. I don’t believe there are Left hand drive RX7’s even manufactured after 1995 for any country.
I see that your oil pressure gauge is measured in lb/in^2 (pounds per square inch). If the car was imported to a country outside of the US/UK Market then it would measure in kg/cm^2 (kilograms per square centimeter). Much like changing the speedometer from MPH to KPH, the oil pressure gauge can be swapped to a metric gauge.
BTW, do you have proper oil pressure? The photo indicates the car was running with 0 oil pressure. The OEM Oil sender frequently fails and is often inaccurate.
I also see that your car has a side marker light on the front fender. Does your car have the DRL and headlight sprayer? Does your car have the Canadian Maple Leaf sticker on the door jam?
It would be interesting to learn your car's history. Keep us posted!
BTW, do you have proper oil pressure? The photo indicates the car was running with 0 oil pressure. The OEM Oil sender frequently fails and is often inaccurate.
Indeed, this gauge failed on me recently I'll see if I order a new one or if I go with a real sender and additional gauge.
Originally Posted by Gen2n3
I also see that your car has a side marker light on the front fender. Does your car have the DRL and headlight sprayer? Does your car have the Canadian Maple Leaf sticker on the door jam?
No, it doesn't have the headlight sprayer nor the daylight running lamp.
Originally Posted by Gen2n3
It would be interesting to learn your car's history. Keep us posted!
That's exactly the point of this topic
The autocheck report from mkiv98 (thanks a lot!) didn't learn us a lot, except this record from 1992 (wow) :
06/17/1992 Independent SourceVEHICLE MANUFACTURED AND SHIPPED TO DEALER04/24/1995ManufacturerMANUFACTURER RECALL
RECALL 60504
FUEL LEAKAGE RECALL
LOCATE YOUR NEAREST AUTHORIZED MAZDA DEALER TO SCHEDULE REPAIR.09/27/1996ManufacturerMANUFACTURER RECALL
RECALL 65609
BRAKE VACUUM HOSE
LOCATE YOUR NEAREST AUTHORIZED MAZDA DEALER TO SCHEDULE REPAIR.
Since the report does not mention this car was originally sold on the US market nor sold for export in any other country, we believe that it was never sold in the US.
So, I guess it should have been exported to Canada after a couple years being unsold in the US.
So, if anyone around here is using "carproof" (a Canadian website similar to carfax), I'd be glad if he could check my VIN
Oh, well... I'm trying to reach this carproof website, but it's redirecting to carfax... so, I guess they're out of service now
So, if anyone has the opportunity to check on carfax (for free) for me, I'd be very glad to
I also tried this official Canadian VIN verifying service : VIN Verify
but it tells me that the VIN has NOT been identified as a vehicle listed in their records...
Looks like it will be tricky to learn more about this car's history...
may be ! on my end, when I go to https://www.carproof.com on my browser, it's redirecting to www.carfax.eu ... Maybe I should ask on the Canadian section of the forum.
Anyway,
Thanks j9fd3s, for this great information about my car :
It is a USA market R1, in PZ black, built new in 1992, and sold new the same year in Jacksonville, Florida.
So now, I know where she was born Such a good starting point for tracking this car's history !
I also have the original engine's number, so I'll check soon if it's still the same under the hood.
I'm so glad too
Nevertheless, I'll keep on tracking more infos, I would like to know where it went from Jacksonville, if she really been in Canada or not, when it arrived in EU, etc... gathering any pieces of her history
Looks to me like the car was a US car that had the Speedo swapped out. The Vin calls it a US car. It was likely imported to Canada and someone swapped out the Speedo.
You can can request a letter from Mazda Canada based on VIN. We do that for importing these cars to the US. Go to Mazda Canada website and look for the link.
That speedo does not have the mph in smaller size like other CDNDM. Could it be a speedo from a European (French) model? I think Brian Long reports that there were some new cars being sold in the US in 1996; Also that RX7 continued to be exported to the UK in limited amounts in 1996. But those would have ben be RHD, I suppose.
Last edited by Redbul; 07-07-18 at 02:25 AM.
Reason: Added info.
Alright,
I've stumbled upon some old papers, and found out that the car was registered in Italy before France... I even got the name of the Italian owner, but I can't find him anywhere on google, facebook, etc... too bad.
So, this car seems to have travelled a lot >> USA > Canada (?) > ?? > Italy > France
So I've contacted Mazda USA & Mazda Canada, and more recently Mazda Italy & Mazda France...
Hopefully one of them will tell me some relevant informations about my car... or not
For the moment, only Mazda CANada replied and told me that they don't have any informations and that I should contact Mazda USA. So I'm still waiting for them to reply.
Originally Posted by Redbul
That speedo does not have the mph in smaller size like other CDNDM. Could it be a speedo from a European (French) model?
06-28-18, 11:03 AM
Unless I could be sure they have real informations before paying...
No MPH
