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Old 08-09-21, 06:27 PM
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Early FD Designs from Mazda

This is a scan from my copy of Jack Yamaguchi's excellent RX-7 book, and it shows the runner-up design for the FD. It is said that executives debated for hours on which design to finalize before eventually settling on the shape we all know and love, which was penned by Taiwanese stylist Wu-huang Chin at Mazda's design studio in Irvine, California. The runner-up design was from Mazda's headquarters in Hiroshima, and the short-nose, long-tail design incorporated the latest aerodynamic technology of the day.


Some of these elements were later incorporated into the final FD design, which originally had a more rounded, tapered rear end. This earlier design of the FD is pictured at the bottom right, below.

Here are a few more avant grade exterior designs that were penciled early in the design process. Mazda eventually chose eight designs to make clay models of, two from each of their major design studios.

What do you think of the runner-up design? Would you like the FD more if they had gone this direction?
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Old 08-09-21, 07:44 PM
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First off, everyone should have a copy of the Yamaguchi book. It's SO good.

There's elements of some of the designs that later turned up in the RX-01 and some other Mazda cars (MX-3). Really hard to say since those designs are SO early, they have to go through a lot of refinement.

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Whatever decision process they used to get to the final design was THE RIGHT process. Thank goodness they didn't pick some of those other ones.
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You can definitely see the Mazda MX-6 in some of those designs.
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You can definitely see the Mazda MX-6 in some of those designs.
i used to hate those things when i worked at the dealership, but we race against one, and once you get it down to the shell its a really great looking car. the engine is quite good too, once you replace the distributor with something that doesn't fail all the time
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Makes me relieved. Some of the final details added, like the double bubble roof kept it from looking like a bar of soap.
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Originally Posted by ptrhahn
Makes me relieved. Some of the final details added, like the double bubble roof kept it from looking like a bar of soap.
It's funny you mention the double bubble roof, as that was added later in the design process after the aero engineers found that the design of the rear was creating lift. The solution was to create a shallow valley in the surface of the roof, which supposedly accelerated the airflow over the critical area at the rear and eliminated the lift.

Another design guideline according to Yamaguchi was driver visibility - specifically, being able to see the front fenders from the driver's seat.

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I read that in the final design approval they were required to widen the car, which then put it offside with certain government guidelines. I try to imagine what a thinner FD may have looked like, and how many Texans you could fit in it. Answer: None.
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Originally Posted by c0rbin9
Another design guideline according to Yamaguchi was driver visibility - specifically, being able to see the front fenders from the driver's seat.
this feature was added to the ND miata, and it is part of why the ND feels so much like the FD from the drivers seat.
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Ahem. I fit just fine in mine! All 165lbs of me.
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If the FD came out in 1955, it might not have been ahead of its time.




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Here's the one painting Chin has ever done of the FD. I Picked it up at an art auction maybe 5 years ago.


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^ I like how the wheels look like 17s/18s and are basically flush with the fenders. Even Chin knew the stock wheels are sunken battleship status!

There was a recent Road & Track article about Wu-Huang Chin and his design of the FD. Turns out he owns a Brilliant Black '95 PEG. Here's a pic from the article:



Interesting to see what aesthetic choices the actual designer of the car made. Looks like just a set of classic looking wheels, and that's it. No tacked on body kits or giant spoilers, surprisingly. /s
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BC

I think I see a uhaul bubble wrap box. Familiar to us purveyors of used car parts. Are those racing beat muffler tips?

Hood is up, must have just come back from a run!

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BC TVR in The Hood

Out for a walk this morning and a huge specialty car hauler pulls up in this complex. Two TVR being delivered from somewhere to someone. One was still out at dinnertime.




The TVR is the one in gunmetal grey.

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^I think that's a TVR "Sagarro". TVR always made such interesting cars. This one has something like a Buick/Rover V8 in it, I think.
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I've always loved TVRs. That one looks like a cross between and an FD and a MK5 Supra.
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Originally Posted by gmonsen
^I think that's a TVR "Sagarro". TVR always made such interesting cars. This one has something like a Buick/Rover V8 in it, I think.
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Put a Dollarama cover on the car to protect from forest fire ash, and the Alpha Romeo B.A.T. car emerged by magic!

Is this how the wind sees the car?
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(Seems like as decent of a place as any to include these)

A few years ago, I saw this "Concept Model" for the RX-7 at the Petersen Museum in Los Angeles. It seems like this is another step in the evolution of the FD's design, much closer to the one we know, but clearly showing differences or concept car quirks. The info card for it read as follows:

Fiberglass Shell
1993 Mazda RX-7 Concept Model

The third-generation Mazda RX-7 was powered by the most highly developed Wankel-rotary engine ever installed in a production car. Believing that such advanced engineering called for equally advanced styling, Mazda initiated an internal design competition among its studios in Hiroshima and Yokohama, Japan, and Irvine, California. This model of the winning design was created by Art Center College of Design graduate Wu-Huang Chin at the Mazda Design Center in Irvine, one of the first studios established in Southern California by a Japanese automaker.






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This is a scan from my copy of Jack Yamaguchi's excellent RX-7 book
Just to add this to the connective tissue of the internet, is this the book? RX-7: The Mazda RX-7: Mazda's Legendary Sports Car (ISBN 4947659017 / 978-4947659019)?
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I wondered if that design is of the narrower version before the final go-ahead mandated a wider car?

Nice to see that example out of Mazda's basement storage.

It would be nice If they could bookend with the LHD Spirit R.
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Originally Posted by Redbul
I wondered if that design is of the narrower version before the final go-ahead mandated a wider car?
Could be, also looks like it doesn't have the double-bubble roof.

Originally Posted by B-Hydra
Just to add this to the connective tissue of the internet, is this the book? RX-7: The Mazda RX-7: Mazda's Legendary Sports Car (ISBN 4947659017 / 978-4947659019)?
Yep, that's it. Yamaguchi also wrote books on other RX generations, but that's the title and number of the one on the FD from which my pictures came.

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Could be, also looks like it doesn't have the double-bubble roof.
Oddly, it also looks like it isn't the same side-to-side. The driver's side has a front fender vent and more cut lines, where the passenger side has no vent and fewer cut lines. The production version is somewhere in between the two.

Yep, that's it.
Thanks for confirming!
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Lets just take a moment to acknowledge that one of the final prototypes was rocking meshies and ganadors.
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