The 1995 Model Year
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The 1995 Model Year
I have been looking into the 1995 model year, and i am about 10 days away from having the info for every car, but i do have some insights, and also i would like to know what people have questions about.
for each Vin, i get model, exterior and interior colors, engine number, build date, sale date, selling dealer, and transmission type. not sure what of that is interesting/useful.
so far the insights are thus:
1. the cars were all built in the Hiroshima plant, i am not sure if it was #1 or #2, or both. Mazda can, and did build them in the same line as all the other cars, miatae, 323's etc.
1a. Mazdas production capacity is so big, and the FD production is so low (they could have built the whole ~500 car run in less than 2 days), that the US 95's are built in (so far) 3 batches. there is a batch in late April of 95, September of 95 and December of 95 (i have enough to go where there could be another batch)
1b. the cars do not come out of the factory in vin number order. generally its close, but not always. raises the question of when they assign the build date, i assume it was when the car was done, but for instance Ford assigns the build date when the car was scheduled to be built, which is before it was built.
1c. there do seem to be batches, by color. they seem to do the common colors two or three in a row, Montego Blue, Red, Black.
2. the engines were built next door in the rotary engine plant.
2a. Mazda does not differentiate engine numbers between the manual and the automatic. it seems to just be in the order they were assembled.
2b. since the engines were built next door, they we not installed in the cars in the order the engines were assembled in. so FD 400123 might have engine 13BE 129313, and FD 400124 might have engine 13BE 129299. generally the higher the vin the higher the engine number
2c. engine number is not connected to the vin in any way, except that its recorded which engine went into which car.
for each Vin, i get model, exterior and interior colors, engine number, build date, sale date, selling dealer, and transmission type. not sure what of that is interesting/useful.
so far the insights are thus:
1. the cars were all built in the Hiroshima plant, i am not sure if it was #1 or #2, or both. Mazda can, and did build them in the same line as all the other cars, miatae, 323's etc.
1a. Mazdas production capacity is so big, and the FD production is so low (they could have built the whole ~500 car run in less than 2 days), that the US 95's are built in (so far) 3 batches. there is a batch in late April of 95, September of 95 and December of 95 (i have enough to go where there could be another batch)
1b. the cars do not come out of the factory in vin number order. generally its close, but not always. raises the question of when they assign the build date, i assume it was when the car was done, but for instance Ford assigns the build date when the car was scheduled to be built, which is before it was built.
1c. there do seem to be batches, by color. they seem to do the common colors two or three in a row, Montego Blue, Red, Black.
2. the engines were built next door in the rotary engine plant.
2a. Mazda does not differentiate engine numbers between the manual and the automatic. it seems to just be in the order they were assembled.
2b. since the engines were built next door, they we not installed in the cars in the order the engines were assembled in. so FD 400123 might have engine 13BE 129313, and FD 400124 might have engine 13BE 129299. generally the higher the vin the higher the engine number
2c. engine number is not connected to the vin in any way, except that its recorded which engine went into which car.
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04-30-18, 08:18 AM
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Where is the engine number on the engine itself? Is it on the front iron?
Nice work there! Funny what you're saying about how they could have built them all in 2 days
. I imagine they were also building RHD cars at the same time.
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Nice work there! Funny what you're saying about how they could have built them all in 2 days
. I imagine they were also building RHD cars at the same time.Dale
05-01-18, 01:20 PM
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just going by engine numbers, the US model has 3 runs, but they were making FD's for other markets.in between.
05-01-18, 01:21 PM
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what do you guys think about a registry? its in reverse, because we will shortly have the full list of cars.. be neat to see where they are now
05-01-18, 01:34 PM
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BTW, back in 2004 I almost bought a black base model, #531. Were there a few more than the claimed 500 1995 models produced?
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j9fd3s,
Weren't all FDs (or all RX-7s for that matter) produced at the Hiroshima plant? The Factory Code in the VIN number should be 0 (Zero) for all RX-7s. That is the 11th digit of a VIN. Interestingly, the 10th digit of a VIN with P indicates a 1993 model year, R indicates a 1994, and an S indicates a 1995 model year.
Would it be possible to identify which FDs received the glass sunroof?
I second the question Dale asked: Where is the Engine Serial Number located on the block? I know mine is not the original motor. I was lucky to get a report for my 94 that contained all the info you wish to publish.
I would also like to know how this information would be presented - in MS Excel, MS Access, PDF, or other searchable document? I do have one concern about maintaining a repository of this sort of information: security of VINs. Certain info about a VIN can be searched online. However, what safeguards could be used to prevent mining this info from social engineering schemes?
To other members, I can corroborate j9fd3s' information about the "mismatched" engine to chassis serial numbers. My source disclosed that it was VERY rare to have a matching engine serial to chassis from the factory. In fact, there is no federal regulation that specifies an engine serial must match the chassis number. However, it does require a manufacturer to document the various serial numbers of all major vehicle components, such as a chassis, engine, transmission, etc... Therefore, I propose that we should use the term "paired" not "matched" when verifying serial numbers on cars. A matching number implies that one should see an exact number duplicated on several parts. For example, a Luger P.08 (9mm pistol) manufactured in Germany from the early 1900s to the early 1940s should have matching serial numbers on all of its components if it wasn't thrown into heaping piles of parts then reassembled as spoils of war.
The pistol reference is just an example to point out the significance of a "numbers matching" product. It was not a segway to discuss the finer points about a firearm nor any political or ideological regimes.
Cheers,
George
Weren't all FDs (or all RX-7s for that matter) produced at the Hiroshima plant? The Factory Code in the VIN number should be 0 (Zero) for all RX-7s. That is the 11th digit of a VIN. Interestingly, the 10th digit of a VIN with P indicates a 1993 model year, R indicates a 1994, and an S indicates a 1995 model year.
Would it be possible to identify which FDs received the glass sunroof?
I second the question Dale asked: Where is the Engine Serial Number located on the block? I know mine is not the original motor. I was lucky to get a report for my 94 that contained all the info you wish to publish.
I would also like to know how this information would be presented - in MS Excel, MS Access, PDF, or other searchable document? I do have one concern about maintaining a repository of this sort of information: security of VINs. Certain info about a VIN can be searched online. However, what safeguards could be used to prevent mining this info from social engineering schemes?
To other members, I can corroborate j9fd3s' information about the "mismatched" engine to chassis serial numbers. My source disclosed that it was VERY rare to have a matching engine serial to chassis from the factory. In fact, there is no federal regulation that specifies an engine serial must match the chassis number. However, it does require a manufacturer to document the various serial numbers of all major vehicle components, such as a chassis, engine, transmission, etc... Therefore, I propose that we should use the term "paired" not "matched" when verifying serial numbers on cars. A matching number implies that one should see an exact number duplicated on several parts. For example, a Luger P.08 (9mm pistol) manufactured in Germany from the early 1900s to the early 1940s should have matching serial numbers on all of its components if it wasn't thrown into heaping piles of parts then reassembled as spoils of war.
The pistol reference is just an example to point out the significance of a "numbers matching" product. It was not a segway to discuss the finer points about a firearm nor any political or ideological regimes.
Cheers,
George
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j9fd3s,
Weren't all FDs (or all RX-7s for that matter) produced at the Hiroshima plant? The Factory Code in the VIN number should be 0 (Zero) for all RX-7s. That is the 11th digit of a VIN. Interestingly, the 10th digit of a VIN with P indicates a 1993 model year, R indicates a 1994, and an S indicates a 1995 model year.
Weren't all FDs (or all RX-7s for that matter) produced at the Hiroshima plant? The Factory Code in the VIN number should be 0 (Zero) for all RX-7s. That is the 11th digit of a VIN. Interestingly, the 10th digit of a VIN with P indicates a 1993 model year, R indicates a 1994, and an S indicates a 1995 model year.
Would it be possible to identify which FDs received the glass sunroof?
I would also like to know how this information would be presented - in MS Excel, MS Access, PDF, or other searchable document? I do have one concern about maintaining a repository of this sort of information: security of VINs. Certain info about a VIN can be searched online. However, what safeguards could be used to prevent mining this info from social engineering schemes?
Cheers,
George
Cheers,
George
that being said, i was thinking about vin, model, color, interior and exterior, engine number, port of entry, selling dealer, state the dealer was in and build date. any objections to that? once its out its out, so i would rather err on the side of caution.
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05-02-18, 07:34 PM
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but your vin has no security. its on the outside of the car, and tied to the license plate. the DMV is happy to sell this data. put your license plate in here, KYB Online Parts Catalog and see for yourself
I was also thinking about another data point: (Vehicle) Status. It could contain entries such as Active, RIP, Off-Road, Salvage, and Chassis. Active would mean the VIN is fully registered for daily street use. RIP would mean the VIN was destroyed and eternally rides through the gates of Valhalla, shiny and chrome! Off-road would mean the VIN is exclusively used in race applications and is not permitted for daily street use. Salvage would mean the VIN was resurrected from the dead. Finally, Chassis would mean the VIN purely exists as a stripped down bare frame.
What do you think about the Status category? I'm interested so long as we keep this data secured. What do other members think?
Cheers,
George
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i found an article about Mazda's assembly plant, and it, well here http://www.autonews.com/article/2005...utside-the-bin
i admit it doesn't really matter which one they used for the FD, if not both, i'm just curious
not sure what you mean by indexable. glass roof was only on the touring package in 94-95. so far there is only one 1995 touring, and it was written off a long time ago.
i think i have it, so i'll look into it. i was mostly planning on just not posting sensitive stuff.
there are about 3 categories, clear title, an RDR reversal which is something to do with how it was originally sold, and branded. branded means its been written off somewhere, probably a salvage title, but by default its not going to be a complete list, i'm sure there are salvage cars Mazda doesn't know about. i was going to post the number of branded title cars, but not necessarily which ones.
i admit it doesn't really matter which one they used for the FD, if not both, i'm just curious
I thought that the glass roof was rare. Could this still be an indexable item?
I agree, once the info is out, it is out and susceptible to exploitation. Have you given any thought to using MS Access?
I was also thinking about another data point: (Vehicle) Status. It could contain entries such as Active, RIP, Off-Road, Salvage, and Chassis.
Cheers,
George
Cheers,
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Fun Fact! the last FD to be sold new in the USA was sold on 7/21/2005. it was built 12/19/1995.
05-03-18, 01:16 PM
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I think I remember something about that car, it was at a Mazda dealer and they kept it in the showroom or something.
I started on the Big List back in '96 and I remember people looking for unsold '95s on dealer lots at the time.
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I started on the Big List back in '96 and I remember people looking for unsold '95s on dealer lots at the time.
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Mazda usually ends a model years production run in about June of a given year. the 1995 FD doesn't finish production until December., in fact more than half the cars are built in December, so maybe once they decided not to make it OBD2 compliant, they just made another batch of 1995's. its unusual
05-03-18, 03:17 PM
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neit_jnf,
Thanks for the additional photo and the some disassembly required note!
j9fd3s,
That was really cool to see the car sold 10yrs later as a new vehicle. I wonder why the dealer held onto it for so long? Good link to the article of Ujina #2. That is basically known as "Just in time (JIT)" manufacturing, one of many concepts in Lean Six Sigma to eliminate production waste.
By indexable item, I meant to create a data block in the database/spreadsheet such as: Roof - Solid (no sunroof); metal (steel sunroof); and glass (should coincide with Touring Package).
Thanks for sharing the different title status - Clear, RDR reversal, and Branded. Perhaps that data block could be populated with input from forum members when gaps appear? I would like to know more about the RDR reversal. Do you have any links to share?
What do you think about providing an engine & turbo blocks? This would allow feedback from members to cover different engine options such as 3-rotor, V-8 swaps, and different turbo kits.
A Remarks block may also be necessary to account for various changes to the car such as "installed steel/glass roof", "installed xxx wing", "installed R1 front lip", "installed 99+body panels", "installed 99+ light set (specify front/rear or both)", etc...
I have one more idea for a data block - # Owner. This would indicate the number of times the VIN has changed hands. No personal information would be recorded in this field. For example, a 2 would indicate the VIN is on its 2nd owner. That may be hard to tell without help from other forum members.
Cheers,
George
Thanks for the additional photo and the some disassembly required note!
j9fd3s,
That was really cool to see the car sold 10yrs later as a new vehicle. I wonder why the dealer held onto it for so long? Good link to the article of Ujina #2. That is basically known as "Just in time (JIT)" manufacturing, one of many concepts in Lean Six Sigma to eliminate production waste.
By indexable item, I meant to create a data block in the database/spreadsheet such as: Roof - Solid (no sunroof); metal (steel sunroof); and glass (should coincide with Touring Package).
Thanks for sharing the different title status - Clear, RDR reversal, and Branded. Perhaps that data block could be populated with input from forum members when gaps appear? I would like to know more about the RDR reversal. Do you have any links to share?
What do you think about providing an engine & turbo blocks? This would allow feedback from members to cover different engine options such as 3-rotor, V-8 swaps, and different turbo kits.
A Remarks block may also be necessary to account for various changes to the car such as "installed steel/glass roof", "installed xxx wing", "installed R1 front lip", "installed 99+body panels", "installed 99+ light set (specify front/rear or both)", etc...
I have one more idea for a data block - # Owner. This would indicate the number of times the VIN has changed hands. No personal information would be recorded in this field. For example, a 2 would indicate the VIN is on its 2nd owner. That may be hard to tell without help from other forum members.
Cheers,
George
05-04-18, 01:07 PM
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Ill post the vin of my white 95 Base 5 speed this weekend. It is in the 520/530s so I believe it is one of the last 15-20 FDs. Years and years ago I did a lot of research through the forum and cars posted for sale. The highest vin Ive seen was in the 530s, leading me to believe the actual production number was slightly higher than 500 for the LHD US FDs.
05-04-18, 08:04 PM
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I'm not sure why the VIN is a worry, consider that people see your plate number anytime they drive.
However, you could just use the last 8 of the VIN if you want to obscure the full VIN and it would still be relevant info. That's your serial number in there.
Vince
However, you could just use the last 8 of the VIN if you want to obscure the full VIN and it would still be relevant info. That's your serial number in there.
Vince
05-04-18, 09:08 PM
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To All,
My concerns comes from publishing a consolidated list of vehicle information that could be exploited for nefarious purposes. Having a list of all valid VINs at the tip of one's fingers is vastly different than having some cat take note of your VIN or license plate in a parking lot. Using the last 8 digits of a VIN would be an acceptable compromise. Regardless, I strongly believe this data should be safeguarded within our community. I'm certain j9fd3s has spent far too much time gathering data on all 1995 model year cars. I would much rather see his hard work be an asset to the forum instead of being used to defraud any one forum member.
j9fd3s,
To recap, what info would you like to include in this database/spreadsheet? Based upon input thus far, would it be:
1. VIN (all or last 8)
2. VIN Status
3. Year
4. Model
5. Package Type (Base, Touring, PEP, etc...)
6. Engine No
7. Transmission Type
8. Exterior Color
9. Interior Color
10. Assembly (Birth) Date
11. Retail (1st Sold) Date
12. Retail Dealer
13. Port of Entry
14.* Roof Type
15.* Current Engine
16.* Current Turbo
17.* Major Body Mods
18.* Number of Owners
19.* Remarks
* - Previously proposed suggestions that may/may not require additional information from Members.
Cheers,
George
My concerns comes from publishing a consolidated list of vehicle information that could be exploited for nefarious purposes. Having a list of all valid VINs at the tip of one's fingers is vastly different than having some cat take note of your VIN or license plate in a parking lot. Using the last 8 digits of a VIN would be an acceptable compromise. Regardless, I strongly believe this data should be safeguarded within our community. I'm certain j9fd3s has spent far too much time gathering data on all 1995 model year cars. I would much rather see his hard work be an asset to the forum instead of being used to defraud any one forum member.
j9fd3s,
To recap, what info would you like to include in this database/spreadsheet? Based upon input thus far, would it be:
1. VIN (all or last 8)
2. VIN Status
3. Year
4. Model
5. Package Type (Base, Touring, PEP, etc...)
6. Engine No
7. Transmission Type
8. Exterior Color
9. Interior Color
10. Assembly (Birth) Date
11. Retail (1st Sold) Date
12. Retail Dealer
13. Port of Entry
14.* Roof Type
15.* Current Engine
16.* Current Turbo
17.* Major Body Mods
18.* Number of Owners
19.* Remarks
* - Previously proposed suggestions that may/may not require additional information from Members.
Cheers,
George
05-04-18, 10:07 PM
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To All,
My concerns comes from publishing a consolidated list of vehicle information that could be exploited for nefarious purposes. Having a list of all valid VINs at the tip of one's fingers is vastly different than having some cat take note of your VIN or license plate in a parking lot. Using the last 8 digits of a VIN would be an acceptable compromise. Regardless, I strongly believe this data should be safeguarded within our community. I'm certain j9fd3s has spent far too much time gathering data on all 1995 model year cars. I would much rather see his hard work be an asset to the forum instead of being used to defraud any one forum member.
j9fd3s,
To recap, what info would you like to include in this database/spreadsheet? Based upon input thus far, would it be:
1. VIN (all or last 8)
2. VIN Status
3. Year
4. Model
5. Package Type (Base, Touring, PEP, etc...)
6. Engine No
7. Transmission Type
8. Exterior Color
9. Interior Color
10. Assembly (Birth) Date
11. Retail (1st Sold) Date
12. Retail Dealer
13. Port of Entry
14.* Roof Type
15.* Current Engine
16.* Current Turbo
17.* Major Body Mods
18.* Number of Owners
19.* Remarks
* - Previously proposed suggestions that may/may not require additional information from Members.
Cheers,
George
My concerns comes from publishing a consolidated list of vehicle information that could be exploited for nefarious purposes. Having a list of all valid VINs at the tip of one's fingers is vastly different than having some cat take note of your VIN or license plate in a parking lot. Using the last 8 digits of a VIN would be an acceptable compromise. Regardless, I strongly believe this data should be safeguarded within our community. I'm certain j9fd3s has spent far too much time gathering data on all 1995 model year cars. I would much rather see his hard work be an asset to the forum instead of being used to defraud any one forum member.
j9fd3s,
To recap, what info would you like to include in this database/spreadsheet? Based upon input thus far, would it be:
1. VIN (all or last 8)
2. VIN Status
3. Year
4. Model
5. Package Type (Base, Touring, PEP, etc...)
6. Engine No
7. Transmission Type
8. Exterior Color
9. Interior Color
10. Assembly (Birth) Date
11. Retail (1st Sold) Date
12. Retail Dealer
13. Port of Entry
14.* Roof Type
15.* Current Engine
16.* Current Turbo
17.* Major Body Mods
18.* Number of Owners
19.* Remarks
* - Previously proposed suggestions that may/may not require additional information from Members.
Cheers,
George
as far as colors vs models, any exterior color seems to be available with any model or interior color, except there are no White R Package cars so far.
05-04-18, 10:42 PM
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I would suggest keeping Items 3, 4, and 5 separate. This would aid in sorting data later and could include the other model years further down the road. For example, a member would like to sort out all the R2's by Assembly Date and Exterior Color. Or, a member would like to compare all the Base models by External Color. Keeping data elements separated would increase the search resolution and search options. This would hold true for any database or spreadsheet.
If there is no variation to record between Item 5 and Item 14 then it could be eliminated. However, I believe certain assumptions should be stated to remove any doubts. For example, the R2 package came with stiff (hard) suspension (don't recall the proper Mazda term), Touring came with X, Y, and Z as standard options, etc... Think of it as a legend on a map.
I'd be happy to lend a hand in compiling data with you. I don't have any skin in the game for the 95 FDs but when it is successfully completed and people start to use it, I believe it would be great to work on the other model years. PM me if you are interested in enlisting some help!
Cheers,
George
If there is no variation to record between Item 5 and Item 14 then it could be eliminated. However, I believe certain assumptions should be stated to remove any doubts. For example, the R2 package came with stiff (hard) suspension (don't recall the proper Mazda term), Touring came with X, Y, and Z as standard options, etc... Think of it as a legend on a map.
I'd be happy to lend a hand in compiling data with you. I don't have any skin in the game for the 95 FDs but when it is successfully completed and people start to use it, I believe it would be great to work on the other model years. PM me if you are interested in enlisting some help!
Cheers,
George
05-05-18, 03:28 PM
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I just went back through my emails and there was a CW on black base automatic ending in 440 for sale on eBay back in January. Not sure if this info helps but figured I would share it. I can probably dig up the VINs of the other 95 cars I've sold over the years if it would help in some way.
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I just went back through my emails and there was a CW on black base automatic ending in 440 for sale on eBay back in January. Not sure if this info helps but figured I would share it. I can probably dig up the VINs of the other 95 cars I've sold over the years if it would help in some way.