Will a turbo manifold fit on a N/A?
12-01-08, 02:36 PM
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Will a turbo manifold fit on a N/A?
i have a N/A engine and was wondering if i could get a TII exhaust manifold and such and put it on my n/a
i have heard the compression is diffrent
im a newb at cars so what would happen if i did turbo an N/A besides having to get a new ECU
i have heard the compression is diffrent
im a newb at cars so what would happen if i did turbo an N/A besides having to get a new ECU
12-01-08, 02:40 PM
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Copied directly from the FAQ:
Can I swap a Turbo engine/Jspec engine/13BT/etc into my Non Turbo?
Yes, check these links:
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...threadid=26647
http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/ro...conversion.htm
How do I add a turbo to my NA 13B?
What Turbo kits can I add onto my non turbo RX-7?
There are no longer kits formally made at the time of this post, however there are companies from time to time that do make available non turbo to Turbo Kits. Because most of these companies stop building the kits, or go out of business in short time, it is impossible to keep active links for them.
Most people that turbo a non turbo make their own kits:
Using the stock TII turbo, exhaust manifold with spacer, NA intakes and NA ECU:
http://www.aaroncake.net/rx-7/naturbo.htm
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...threadid=88540
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...threadid=88758
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=124232
http://users2.ev1.net/~ccoutts/turbo..._a_project.htm
Using the stock TII turbo, exhaust manifold, intakes, ECU:
http://forum.teamfc3s.org/showthread.php?t=37694
Turbo-NA Forum:
http://www.aaroncake.net/forum/forum...urbocharged+NA
Can I swap a Turbo engine/Jspec engine/13BT/etc into my Non Turbo?
Yes, check these links:
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...threadid=26647
http://www.rotaryresurrection.com/ro...conversion.htm
How do I add a turbo to my NA 13B?
What Turbo kits can I add onto my non turbo RX-7?
There are no longer kits formally made at the time of this post, however there are companies from time to time that do make available non turbo to Turbo Kits. Because most of these companies stop building the kits, or go out of business in short time, it is impossible to keep active links for them.
Most people that turbo a non turbo make their own kits:
Using the stock TII turbo, exhaust manifold with spacer, NA intakes and NA ECU:
http://www.aaroncake.net/rx-7/naturbo.htm
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...threadid=88540
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...threadid=88758
https://www.rx7club.com/forum/showth...hreadid=124232
http://users2.ev1.net/~ccoutts/turbo..._a_project.htm
Using the stock TII turbo, exhaust manifold, intakes, ECU:
http://forum.teamfc3s.org/showthread.php?t=37694
Turbo-NA Forum:
http://www.aaroncake.net/forum/forum...urbocharged+NA
12-01-08, 02:43 PM
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This has been asked 3209482309 times. Do some search n/a to tii or look up aaroncake project tina. He has a 6port turbo.
To make your life easier, Tii manifold will not work with n/a intake manifold. You ither need to make an adapter plate that has the manifold come out. Or get a tii intake manifold set up and then the manifold will work.
Yes, compression is different.
If you turbo an n/a without the tii ecu and sensors it will run funky. If you want to be turbo charged and want the reliability. Get a full t2 swap.
Do some searching. It will help a lot.
To make your life easier, Tii manifold will not work with n/a intake manifold. You ither need to make an adapter plate that has the manifold come out. Or get a tii intake manifold set up and then the manifold will work.
Yes, compression is different.
If you turbo an n/a without the tii ecu and sensors it will run funky. If you want to be turbo charged and want the reliability. Get a full t2 swap.
Do some searching. It will help a lot.
12-01-08, 05:28 PM
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You could buy a TurboII intake manifold from JAPAN2LA and then the turbo exhaust manifold will fit like a champ. See jpg.
But...anybody who knows How Stuff Works, will realize that the ACV will now be non functional. You figure how to get around that and all is well. Plus you'd need a turbo throttle body.
You don't just buy a Turbo intake manifold and bolt it on. The intake ports won't match at all. The JAPAN2LA intake manifold is ready to go. No work involved.
An added benefit to the JAPAN2LA, is that for the turbo water cooling, all you have to do is drill a hole in the freeze plug on the rear rotor housing. Big deal.
See, there are other ways to do this swap that have not been mentioned in the above threads.
But...anybody who knows How Stuff Works, will realize that the ACV will now be non functional. You figure how to get around that and all is well. Plus you'd need a turbo throttle body.
You don't just buy a Turbo intake manifold and bolt it on. The intake ports won't match at all. The JAPAN2LA intake manifold is ready to go. No work involved.
An added benefit to the JAPAN2LA, is that for the turbo water cooling, all you have to do is drill a hole in the freeze plug on the rear rotor housing. Big deal.
See, there are other ways to do this swap that have not been mentioned in the above threads.
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12-02-08, 09:40 AM
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****************im a newb at cars so what would happen if i did turbo an N/A besides having to get a new ECU*********************************************** ********************
You need to read alllll those other threads as to what you need besides the part I mentioned above. But you can flat ignore a lot of the parts they recommend in those other posts. Like the rear end from a turbo car, half shaft etc. And there is no problem with the slightly higher compression ration of the n/a if you stay in the 10psi and below boost range.
A n/a to turbo is one of my daily drivers and a n/a with a Turbo engine only is another daily driver (five yrs or more on that one, stock n/a rear end).
You need to read alllll those other threads as to what you need besides the part I mentioned above. But you can flat ignore a lot of the parts they recommend in those other posts. Like the rear end from a turbo car, half shaft etc. And there is no problem with the slightly higher compression ration of the n/a if you stay in the 10psi and below boost range.
A n/a to turbo is one of my daily drivers and a n/a with a Turbo engine only is another daily driver (five yrs or more on that one, stock n/a rear end).
12-02-08, 01:13 PM
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Personally, i can't see anyone wanting to turbo a six port unless they:
1. Have years of rotary experience and want to do it.
2. Hate turbo lag of any kind (in which case, why not use n/a rotors in a T2?
3. Dont know turbo II engines with ecu and harness are dirt cheap ($1200 shipped to your front door 8 times out of 10).
4. Dont know how hard it is to turbo a six port and have it run right. You'll need to do some minor fab work, stand alone, etc.
Personally, i dont think you need the tII intake. If you understand how turbo systems work, all i would do is switch to larger secondary and primary injectors, run stand alone, egt, ait and wideband plus the normal monitor gauges like boost/oil press/oil temp/etc. You need a manifold to clear all the six port crap, oil lines (water lines depending on turbo), fmic or smic if you dont have a vented hood........ If you sit down and think about it, the money spent boosting your six port will be at or greater than a turbo II swap. They are NOT expensive engines. Not when you look at the prices of 2jz's, rb's, b18c5 type r, etc. I sat down and thought about it, long and hard. The tII swap is far easier/cheaper to do. It drops right in. There's no test fitting/cut/weld/more test fitting..... Just bolt it in, wire it up, plug in the ecu, get it running proper and it's done.
$1200 for a complete engine with turbo, downpipe, tmic.......pretty much everything you need. If you dont have a tII hood, the tmic is pretty much useless so have $100 or so to buy a front mount and another $100 to assemble your piping. (that's ebaying it, just make s ure you use legit multiply thread reinforced couplers).
1. Have years of rotary experience and want to do it.
2. Hate turbo lag of any kind (in which case, why not use n/a rotors in a T2?
3. Dont know turbo II engines with ecu and harness are dirt cheap ($1200 shipped to your front door 8 times out of 10).
4. Dont know how hard it is to turbo a six port and have it run right. You'll need to do some minor fab work, stand alone, etc.
Personally, i dont think you need the tII intake. If you understand how turbo systems work, all i would do is switch to larger secondary and primary injectors, run stand alone, egt, ait and wideband plus the normal monitor gauges like boost/oil press/oil temp/etc. You need a manifold to clear all the six port crap, oil lines (water lines depending on turbo), fmic or smic if you dont have a vented hood........ If you sit down and think about it, the money spent boosting your six port will be at or greater than a turbo II swap. They are NOT expensive engines. Not when you look at the prices of 2jz's, rb's, b18c5 type r, etc. I sat down and thought about it, long and hard. The tII swap is far easier/cheaper to do. It drops right in. There's no test fitting/cut/weld/more test fitting..... Just bolt it in, wire it up, plug in the ecu, get it running proper and it's done.
$1200 for a complete engine with turbo, downpipe, tmic.......pretty much everything you need. If you dont have a tII hood, the tmic is pretty much useless so have $100 or so to buy a front mount and another $100 to assemble your piping. (that's ebaying it, just make s ure you use legit multiply thread reinforced couplers).
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12-02-08, 04:07 PM
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I don't fit under any of those and I have a 9.7:1 6 port turbo car running 8 pounds. Search Jspec on this section and note how many people have gotten blown Jspecs. Japan2LA is the only reputable Jspec engine seller and he quoted me $1300+shipping for a shortblock.
The biggest reason to go 6 port turbo is if you have a clean NA car with a good engine that you don't want to junk.
All those extras you listed (EMS/gauges/WB) are needed for any turbo car running higher than stock boost. You can easily get by without them, either go RTEK or SAFC+FCD/RTEK 1.5/7.
And enjoy your 30whp gain over your NA? Seriously though, it is just like turbocharging any other car. You're comparing a 180whp setup to a 250whp+ setup. About the manifold, if you plan on using the stock turbo you can get by with the spacer easily.
The biggest reason to go 6 port turbo is if you have a clean NA car with a good engine that you don't want to junk.
All those extras you listed (EMS/gauges/WB) are needed for any turbo car running higher than stock boost. You can easily get by without them, either go RTEK or SAFC+FCD/RTEK 1.5/7.
And enjoy your 30whp gain over your NA? Seriously though, it is just like turbocharging any other car. You're comparing a 180whp setup to a 250whp+ setup. About the manifold, if you plan on using the stock turbo you can get by with the spacer easily.
12-03-08, 03:14 PM
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Absolutely not stock! All the stock turbos are old and worn out, and the HT-18 was designed in the '70s. There are far better choices these days for better turbo response and more power.
You forgot option #5: If a full bolt on kit was available that anyone could do in a weekend for 300HP by Monday morning, no tuning required. Yeah, that would be sweet, wouldn't it? 
Personally, i can't see anyone wanting to turbo a six port unless they:
1. Have years of rotary experience and want to do it.
2. Hate turbo lag of any kind (in which case, why not use n/a rotors in a T2?
3. Dont know turbo II engines with ecu and harness are dirt cheap ($1200 shipped to your front door 8 times out of 10).
4. Dont know how hard it is to turbo a six port and have it run right. You'll need to do some minor fab work, stand alone, etc.
1. Have years of rotary experience and want to do it.
2. Hate turbo lag of any kind (in which case, why not use n/a rotors in a T2?
3. Dont know turbo II engines with ecu and harness are dirt cheap ($1200 shipped to your front door 8 times out of 10).
4. Dont know how hard it is to turbo a six port and have it run right. You'll need to do some minor fab work, stand alone, etc.
12-04-08, 12:52 AM
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OMG? im so confused sorry if i upset anyone im just really new to all of this and
and half the stuff you guys mentioned i dont even know where to start for understanding
im going to go read other threads but i really really really appreciate the help
and half the stuff you guys mentioned i dont even know where to start for understanding
im going to go read other threads but i really really really appreciate the help
12-04-08, 08:21 AM
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Minor mistake in your post
I don't fit under any of those and I have a 9.7:1 6 port turbo car running 8 pounds. Search Jspec on this section and note how many people have gotten blown Jspecs. Japan2LA is the only reputable Jspec engine seller and he quoted me $1300+shipping for a shortblock.
The biggest reason to go 6 port turbo is if you have a clean NA car with a good engine that you don't want to junk.
All those extras you listed (EMS/gauges/WB) are needed for any turbo car running higher than stock boost. You can easily get by without them, either go RTEK or SAFC+FCD/RTEK 1.5/7.
And enjoy your 30whp gain over your NA? Seriously though, it is just like turbocharging any other car. You're comparing a 180whp setup to a 250whp+ setup. About the manifold, if you plan on using the stock turbo you can get by with the spacer easily.
The biggest reason to go 6 port turbo is if you have a clean NA car with a good engine that you don't want to junk.
All those extras you listed (EMS/gauges/WB) are needed for any turbo car running higher than stock boost. You can easily get by without them, either go RTEK or SAFC+FCD/RTEK 1.5/7.
And enjoy your 30whp gain over your NA? Seriously though, it is just like turbocharging any other car. You're comparing a 180whp setup to a 250whp+ setup. About the manifold, if you plan on using the stock turbo you can get by with the spacer easily.
12-04-08, 09:21 AM
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It sounds like the best approach for you is to do a standard TII swap.