RarestRX

Yo,

Damn, I thought it was funny. Maybe when you master the "shift" key you'll see the humor in it.

KS
1989 GTUs "Can I get an AMEN?!"

RX-7Impreza

IM SORRY ILL TRY TO USE THE SHIFT KEY MORE OFTEN

JUSTIN

Erik

HAHA...yeah, no "lag" but you're saying your n/a has power below 3K? riiiiiiiiiiight

i've had my n/a for 3 years now...its awesome, not the fastest car, but so solid. i couldn't have asked for a better car. always gotten me to where i need to go, and in STYLE now i also have a T2 but i don't think i'll ever love it as much as the n/a. since that was MY first real car. i've done a lot of changing as a person in the last 3 years but the FC has always remained a constant in my life. hopefully it can keep doing so...

NZConvertible

I'm not here to knock NA's but you've made a few errors and incorrect assumptions. In a comparison, turbo lag should only be considered a disadvantage when comparing two similarly powered cars. A 200hp Turbo may have turbo lag, but at no point does it make less power than a 160hp NA. Floor a Turbo at 2000rpm, and it's instantly making at least the same as a NA, a second later it's making a lot more. It's an internal combustion engine. It'll detonate and knock just as well as a turbo if you tune it wrong. Same thing. Poor modifying and tuning causes engine death, not turbos. You've obviously never been in any thing with a T88! "Fun" wouldn't begin to cover it... You've just described a 400-500hp car, which my mum would be able to drive (not that I'd let her!). Spend the same money on an NA and you'll have 300hp tops and it'll probably never see the street again. Besides, who said you have to spend that much money? $1000 goes a lot further on a stock turbo than a stock NA. A 200hp NA requires a lot more money than a 200hp Turbo (hell, that's practically stock), and the turbo will have double the torque at 3000rpm, which is much more important on a street car.
Don't get me wrong here, I'm not bagging your car at all. If it makes you happy, that's all that really matters. But I think you're opinions of turbo 7's are based on the same misinformation I see popping up here all the time. Personally, I'd never own a NA version of any car available with a turbo, because they don't allow me the flexibility to own and modify a powerful car, and still be able to drive it to work every day.

SoloIIdrift

I've owned a turbo II, and I'm building an N/A for soloII and solo I events, I like N/A because there is less chance of blowing up the motor running it for 3 hours on a track. Even well tuned turbo motors that put out higher hp don't last very long, it's facts.

I hope to be the N/A saviour soon

But I'm sure you've already seen my plans in previous posts, so I wont bore anyone w/ the details again....

muahahaha!

Bambam7

A few points to ponder.

I will take the N/A for the road course anyday.
Very predictable, and free revving, simpler, more reilable, more "Pure".
I love the low end torque of a turbo versus my street ported gerbilpower at 3000 rpm.
N/A's make much better sleepers.
My car almost feels like it's on boost with crazy lag, the way the HP spikes up with RPM's.
N/A mileage sucks.
TII mileage pays the mortgage on half the houses in Texas.
I can smoke a TII- I don't even have to wind my car out.
It took me over 4000 bucks (Canadian) plus car price to be able to smoke that TII.
That TII goes home, and spend 600 bucks, and he should be able to beat me.
An N/A noise practically equals to 1db=1hp!!

After 10 years of rx'ing, I'm putting a turbo on my car- I think that says it all.
I love being able to say I have a realy fast N/A, simply becuase it mean I have really accomplished something- a real point of pride for my hard work. Now I have honed my driving skills on a progressivly more powerfull car- a GREAT way to learn, not to mention learned a lot of the fundamentals of rotary mechanics, before progressing to the turbo. Now I am ready for the next step in power.... I'll surely get at least 250 rwhp from the turbo. (10psi limit)
Well-- I'm just concentration on getting my car running tops first- and having fun with cars who think they should be faster!

2DoritosOnAStick

Damn dude.. No one but me thought that was hilarious?

boostmotorsport

I have owned 5 NA's and now finally own a T2, and damn those NA failed in comparison! On a side note my T2 motor, modified, has had less probs than all my stock NA motors. Face it, not to be a dick but, NA's have nothing over there big brother counterpart. Seriously, how can you dabate that?

RarestRX

Yo,


2DoritosOnAStick, you da man!

Thanks!

KS
1989 GTUs "I'm so underappreciated."

Node

iTrader: (1)

Heh, actually turbos seem to get far better gas mileage than N/As. I always see people w/ 10-14MPG on N/As. 20mpg or so on turbos, pity

Sounds like it belongs in the holy book itself, Jack Yamaguchis FC Book (what'd you think I was gonna say? The bible. Ha, I'm an atheist )
Wonderfully said

ASE_Joe

2doritosonastick on ASE_Joe's computer:

NZ said it best. IMO, never buy the N/A version of a car available as turbo. Look at supra, skyline, 300z, eclipse... I could go on.

If I were to get an N/A rotary, it would be a 1st gen for sure.

It's all about what you want. If you don't want lots of torque and horespower, that's your deal... most people do

Supermac

Thanks for the motivational speeches for the N/A side guys

I was feelin sad cause i got beat quite a bit tonight out racing...


N/A's handle well, they look cool, and make a great daily driver.

Turbos require more matinence, and are extremely rewarding.

My next car, now that i have learned the rotary, will be a turbo.

However, the N/A will always have a place in my heart

mazdaspeed7

I didnt bother to read the rest of the post, but who am I to not get in my opinion on the n/a vs TII thread.

I am selling my n/a. Why? Its too loud, its quick, but not quick enough, and the drivability just isnt there. I coul dmake a TII just as fast, and not give up a singel thing that affects drivability adversely. Dont get me wrong, n/a's can be fast. and my car is impressive, as far as acceleration. But it all comes down to the fact that my n/a is not what I want. I dont want to wake the dead when I redline my car.

The feeling of spinning a n/a to insane revs is hard to beat, but I will have to admit, boost is more fun.

Adam, TII all the way

Felix Wankel

Yes, come to the dark side.

I also read about your vert plans. Sounds like a fun car when its done.

mazdaspeed7

You bet. I have to admit, n/a's are hella fun, but it all comes down to the fact that Ive grown up and its time to move onto bigger and better things. My next rotary WILL be turboed. No question, whatsoever. I an now starting to see things the way some of the cool TII owners see them. Yes you can make a TII faster than an n/a, but if you really wanted to, you could always make a school bus faster than a Ferrari. Being unique is one thing I will never grow out of, and I am looking forward to building one hell of a n/a motor. Too bad I wont be the one to drive it(well, Im sure Justin will let me drive it a few times ). For now, my uniqueness in the RX7 world will have to be accomplished with a V8 vert. Yes, you heard me, that vert WILL be getting a V8.

Felix Wankel

I read about them telling you to get a World Class T5. If you shift hard, you might want a Tremec instead.

mazdaspeed7

I was just reading back, and I saw this. More true words were never said. My car is definatyle quick, but Im trying my best to get it sold QUICK. Summer is coming, and I want a/c, and some peace while driving. My car is quick, loud, obnoxious, and generally NOT a good daily driver, or weekend racer for that matter. Its not drivable enough for a daily, and not fast enough for a weekend racer.


I dont think Im going to be rough on the tranny. This car will be my daily, and i dont want to be blowing up trannies. I think a few times at the track will be more than plenty. there are a few people I need to embarass, but not enough that I think I might kill a tranny.

Felix Wankel

I've already been there I had a TII for my second car. It got totaled before I could mod it much. Then a year or so (and many other cars) later I got the GXL. Did basically everything possible to it. (this was about 4 years ago) It still was not what I wanted. Had to get another TII. I'm much happier now. If I want to go rail on a mountain road somewhere, I have the FB (which to me is more fun to drive than an FC anyway).

Marco

I always post a message like this in threads like this. At the moment I own a 1988 NA. I would love to own a turbo powered FC. As I would love to own a FD and a first gen would be nice also. What the heck.. I want them all...

Marco.

turbotwista

I don't care I love all RX-7 wish I had one for everyday of the week

T2monster

Actually, thought that last one was kind of humoruous myself....i've had a 1st gen that ran like hell, a GXL that would stick to pavement like melting Nike's, and currently own the most fun to drive, my TII. To be perfectly honest, ALL rotaries are insanely addictive, but i miss the 9k rpm shifts and higher, places that i don't dare approach w/ my turbo.

RX-7Impreza

dude,
if you ever say "hella" in reference to mycar i will beat you with the closest cam shaft

J/K

hey what else would a cam shaft be good for..... oh wait..... dont V8's have those?????

J/K

all in good fun

Justin

Barwick

I wouldn't mind a nice BUILT N/A first gen. But since my '90 TurboII already exists, it's getting my attention.

InfiniIIIREX

Well I took the A/C of my turbo II and I don't miss it. I find rolling down the window works just fine. I guess living in DC I can't speak for some of you guys in Florida or CA though. To answer the title of this post, NA's are not so bad and when us turbo guys say " NA's suck" "NA's are slow" "They are just wannabe's, not true RX-7's" "Sell that piece of crap and by a Turbo II" Half the time we are just joking, kidding, teasing, etc. Don't take it too seriously man, and the guys who are serious about what they say are just dicks IMO.

DCmina

I love my N/A, but I wouldn't mind getting a TII.