SukMy7

you cant even get a "kit" from mazda anymore. i just tried to get one and the dealer told me the kit was discontinued and that i would have to order each part individually.

j0rd4n

Can anyone tell me what is missing from the Mazda Japan OEM kit? (part # 10-271-8DF1)

Here's what I think wouldn't be included:
Apex seals
seal springs
corner seals
side seals
torrington bearings
crush washers
tension bolt washers
oil pump chain and thermal pellet replacement? (offered by atkins)

I'm looking at buying the kit that from IWNTA20B (https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=723040), but I want to make sure that all the other stuff I'm going to buy in addition to his kit won't end up costing as much as just buying a kit from Atkins or RR.

NoDOHC

You are right, it is probably much better to buy a $20.00 seal than to risk needing a rebuild in 1,000 miles because a seal broke.

I don't think either of the engines I heard of had 180,000 miles on them either.

I was just throwing that out as an option, it is not the one that I am taking.

texFCturboII

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I'm curious; I've been looking at rebuild kits form Atkins, and I was wondering what the difference is, besides price, on the rebuild kits for say, a s4 N/A and a s5 turbo?

initial D is REAL!

Ask him how much his valve job, port, bore and hone, oversized pistons and rings, all new bearings for rods and crank, resurfaced heads, etc etc. Quality machine work costs a lot of money.

On the other hand it kind of sucks that we cant just get a bigger rotor and have our housings resurfaced.

Houpty GT

"If these parts look expensive to you, you need to dump the car and get a domestic.
Ever looked up parts for *European* models?
You'd be glad you just need to buy "cheap" Japanese parts..." -Ted

Please don't spread bad information. I am currently in the process of working on a 911 and an RX-7 engine. The $200 for the Chevy is for seals and that is it. The porsche was probally getting machine work and valve train parts. The kit for the Porsche probally wasn't too much more than the Chevy kit. Just like if you are going to have to replace rotors and rotor housings on you RX-7 it is going to cost you a lot more than just the seals. I have also seen that different communities have different things they do to their engines during rebuilds, some being necessary and some not but this affects what they refer to as their average rebuild cost. Quality parts are going to cost you alot more than a cheapo kits and anything imported is going to be 50% to 100% more. I think you can see the biggest difference in price when it comes from cars produced in lower quantity. One thing to remember is that there are a lot more people rebuilding the engines in their RX-7 then with your typical other car.

RETed

I don't work on Porsches, but I've seen parts invoices for VW's and BMW's...
It's not bad information.
$700 for a water pump is no laughing matter.

I dunno what Porsche's you're working on, but I'm sure next Boxster or Cayenne parts would easily surpass parts for an FC...OEM for OEM.

EDIT: Doing a quick search for Porsche parts, it looks like there is a lot of AFTERMARKET OEM REPLACEMENTS out there...

930-100-901-03 Cylinder head gasket set. Fits 1976-1977 Turbo. $1,385.68
http://www.stoddard.com/shop/shopdis...6+Valve+Covers

Still think it's cheaper?
That's just for the ******' head gasket...


-Ted

j0rd4n

Still looking to see if part # 10-271-8DF1 is an actual Mazda part number for the OEM gasket and o-ring set, as I'd like to buy it from IWNTA20B (https://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=723040) if someone can help me verify that it's everything but seals, etc. Google search returns only a post IWNTA20B made on another site.

IWNTA20B

Information here

http://www.atkinsrotary.com/store/home.php?cat=476

rx713bt

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I have a 996 Porsche and OEM parts are generally more expensive than Mazda OEM parts. There really isn't much out there for 996 aftermarket replacements. Just basic stuff like plugs, filters, etc.

RotaryEvolution

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the full kits you guys are looking at are mainly for those **** retentive people who feel they need to replace everything to brand new even if tolerances are well within spec. why spend $1100 on a master rebuild kit when $400 worth of parts only need to be replaced?

the other aspect of rebuilding prices is the time taken in cleaning parts, i'm pretty meticulous about cleaning so most of my costs are going towards labor and not parts.

Sindregutt

If the **** retentive people got enaugh money to buy new parts, why not?
When i spend a whole day in the workshop cleaning parts it feels great to use just new parts too

Anyway, i am gonna use used parts on the REW engine i just got but i cant really find just a gasket kit for that engine. Somebody got any ide?

Atkins vs oem.. oem wins but i havnt had any problems with atkins yet but i know they use cheaper steal etc etc.. You usually get what you pay for!

Sindre

WhiteRabbit

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This is a very informative thread.

Houpty GT

Well if you want to take a turbo Porsche that makes your car seem as common as a Camry you are only going to be proving my point. When it comes to rare Mazda you can't even get the parts from the dealer! Mazda sent out a letter asking their customers if they had any 13A rotor housings because Mazda needed some so they could fix their car. You can not compare the price of parts off of a Brand new Porsche to you Mazda from the late 80's. Do you think the price of a waterpump for a new RX-8 is going to be much cheaper if you take it to the dealer. The water pump for the S5 list at $340.

Aftermarket Oem does not make sense. OEM is original equipment manufacturer. They are the same parts the dealer puts in a box with their name on it and doubles the price. Aftermarket is independant and is not what the car came with.

When did I ever say it was cheaper? The 911 has 6 head gaskets by the way and Stoddard is a dealer so that is the dealer price. OEM is $630 for those same head gaskets. That is also the highest price part you could find so try and make some fair comparisons next time.

RETed

This was the original post...

Isn't the implication here that the Porsche "kit" was just as cheap as a Chevy kit?

Just for the hell of it, let's try a 1988 Porsche...
SIC-105-191-00 Timing chain cover gasket kit (includes nyloc nuts, gaskets & hardware. Fits 1968-1989. $12.95
930-100-907-04 Cylinder head gasket set. Fits 1984-1989 (except Turbo). $276.81
930-100-901-04 Crankcase gasket set. Fits 1978-1989 (including Turbo). $93.66
That's about $390 just in gasket kits...
They mention valve covers, but I dunno if it's required for replacement, but that adds $500 more easily.

That's just gaskets...


My point is that "comparable" engines parts from European models WILL cost significantly more than "comparable" Japanese parts.

Piston / cylinder & ring sets
http://www.stoddard.com/shop/shopdis...+%26+Ring+Sets

Now that would be comparable to replacing major engine parts with drastic wear or damage from being blown.
Notice the prices.

And we still haven't even gone into con rods and cranks yet...


-Ted

V8what?!

Will you guys cool it on comparing European vs. Ami Domestic prices? Anyway...

As far as Japanese rebuild kits go, I talked to a couple of garages that are littered with race cars. One of them said that a rebuild kit, before tax, is about 500 bucks for the FC. Also, you have to show them your Japanese inspection papers (I learned that word thanks to this little investigation). I asked if I could order a kit without inspection papers, and they said "no". I asked if I could use faxed American inspecton papers, and they said "I don`t know" and "maybe". Another shop said the same thing about the inspection papers, but only quoted me the price of the FD rebuild kit, which was, before tax, about 900 bucks. Still lookin around for rotary guys and other shops, preferably rotary guys.

texFCturboII

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Damn...... there goes the best option I had..... damn jap rules.....

RETed

Why?
I was defending my stance to the OTHER guy, not you.
Why you gotta stick your nose into it?
You don't like what I say, don't read it.


So now you're going to post that you're trying to do something illegal?
You tell me to shut up and then you post something stupid like this?

Fricken kids...


-Ted

V8what?!

RETed, chill out.

The topic of this thread is REBUILD KITS, not european vs domestic prices. Don`t read it?...you got that right. POST YOUR ARGUMENT SOMEWHERE ELSE, or just have it out in pm`s. Geeze.

As for what I`m doing, it has a lot to do with rebuild kits. And I think the people here (especially those that open a thread about rebuild kits) are fourty times more interested in Japan`s domestic prices for rebuild kits than your petty obsession with proving yourself right about the prices of something that has nothing to do with the topic! Man...

If the parts police stop me in two months when I get back to America, I`ll just bribe `em, cause all that illegal stuff sure is a blast!

RETed

You're right...
It's about how OTHERS can get their hands on rebuild kits, and unless you're gonna start to buy these things for OTHERS at a cheaper price, your 2 cents isn't worth a damn in this thread either.

You're posting your personal experience which does not help OTHERS...even specifically for these rebuild kits.

**** it, you go on the ignore list too.


-Ted

texFCturboII

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I would be one of those "others", very interested in cheap japan rebuild kits, and in my opini-

**** it, not even worth it.......

V8what?!

Sorry for fueling the internet fire, ted, and yes, I am trying to find a place here, in Japan, that will sell me some rebuild kits. Many "other" people have already pm`d me about my progress. I`ll fill you all in once I have a sure answer.

'87 turbo II

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That and most people opt for new housings if they're rebuilding above 150k mile cores.

hypntyz7

A lot of information, and some misinformation and misleading opinions here. I am not sure I have time or inclination to set it straight, though. I will say that about 4-600 bucks in parts and a lot of cleaning is all that many engines need to run strong for many years again.

j0rd4n

yes, i appreciate all the info posted. i ordered my seal kit, and once i tear down the motor i'll replace whatever is out of spec (128k, but it runs like really sweet right now), so prolly apex seals, springs, etc