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Old Jul 25, 2002 | 08:01 PM
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why do we have water seals?

Hey guys. I was just thinking, why do we have water seals? Seems like something else to go bad, you know? Just wanted to know what they're there for, might be very obvious but just let me know. Thanks.
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Old Jul 25, 2002 | 08:05 PM
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how would they blow if we didnt have them? or more to the point, how would you keep coolant out of the combustion chamber without them? nsu rotor housings are "closed" so they dont have water seals, but i'm sure it adds other problems and cost

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Old Jul 25, 2002 | 08:09 PM
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Ya thats my point, just something else to go bad. Is there a real reason to have them?
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Old Jul 25, 2002 | 08:22 PM
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Guys, how else can you seal the mating surfaces? particularly when the mating surfaces are subjected to high heat?
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Old Jul 25, 2002 | 08:22 PM
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Ya thats my point, just something else to go bad. Is there a real reason to have them?
In order to be able to take the engine apart, and put it together, we have to have separate housings.

In order to keep the engine from overheating and destroying itself, we have to put coolant flow around the housings.

In order to keep fluids from flowing between two metal surfaces that can't be made perfect, we need to sue gaskets.

That's why they're there. The coolant HAS to be there, and Metal-to-Metal contact is never perfect enough to make a seal, so water-o-rings must be used. The o-rings keep the coolant from outside of the inside of the engine, and from outside of the engine assembly.
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Old Jul 25, 2002 | 08:29 PM
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No different than having a head gasket

Originally posted by Ryde _Or_Die
Ya thats my point, just something else to go bad. Is there a real reason to have them?
Real reason: Keep Mazda dealer busy replacing engines sourced form Mazda. Mazda likes rebuilding engines Dealers like charging you for them

For the amount of power we have, we need water cooling assist. Too bad that the seals aren't robust enough. Too bad that the Mazda rotary is an iron/aluminum sandwich engine and that the metals expand/contract at different rates. So, once you overheat, say 'bye bye' to the seals.
Too bad that they didn't overheat when new and all failures are because of owner negligence.
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Old Jul 25, 2002 | 08:33 PM
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In order to be able to take the engine apart, and put it together, we have to have separate housings.

In order to keep the engine from overheating and destroying itself, we have to put coolant flow around the housings.

In order to keep fluids from flowing between two metal surfaces that can't be made perfect, we need to sue gaskets.

That's why they're there. The coolant HAS to be there, and Metal-to-Metal contact is never perfect enough to make a seal, so water-o-rings must be used. The o-rings keep the coolant from outside of the inside of the engine, and from outside of the engine assembly.
Even if you could get the metal to metal contact perfect enough to make a seal the aluminum rotor housings and cast iron side and intermediate housings I believe heat up and expand at different rates and would lose thier seal during these transitions and leak.
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Old Jul 25, 2002 | 09:43 PM
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In order to be able to take the engine apart, and put it together, we have to have separate housings.
This will work for me
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