NA86RULZ

Question

I was talking to my roommate today and he claims he has 280 HP at the wheels in his 1993 Mitsushitty 3000GT. I think he is full of ****, so I asked him howthis is what he says he has under the hood

headers, computer chip, and exhaust.
(I do not know brands, sorry)

BTW, he is running a NON TURBO V6, 5 speed manual.

My question is, can an '86 NA Rx7 that is not
modified beat this 3000GT that apparently has 280 HP at the wheels? And yes, I can shift

Mike
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'86 NA
no mods

autocrash

maybe you should look up the stats... chances are he isn't running much better than stock.....

...or here is an even better idea, WHY DON'T YOU FIND OUT???????
(or are you scared you're gonna lose?)


(sorry, I'm an ***... I know.... )
( http://www.car-stats.com )

Ryde _Or_Die

His car is much faster than yours. Can you beat him? I guess there could be a driver somewhere that is shitty enough, ya. But my guess is your car would run a 17 flat and his would run somewhere in the mid 15s. I do doubt his claim to 280whp. If he really does have it, he should be even faster.

Supermac 7

race him just because you can no other reason. unless you have some stuff done to your N/A, prepare to lose unless he's a shitty driver.

The 3kGT has 222 hp stock, but also is one heavy SOB. weighs around 3600 i believe.

Lets say headers gives him 20 hp
Computer chip gives 15
exhaust 5

That bumps him up to 242 hp. Taking in account a 15% loss because he is RWD, you come up with 205 or so at the wheels.

If you have a decently modded n/a, it could be a good race.

Jameson

Rxmfn7

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Stock for stock he would beat you. I raced a stealth R/T in my N/A, (not a TT) granted at the time I was stock I think, but he pulled about 3 carlengths from ~20-100. Also lay of the "Mitsushitty" stuff, for one its ignorant and 2 youll get a warning.

Also SuperMac, they are FWD not RWD, so drivetrain loss would be considerably less.

Ryde _Or_Die

Guess what? They are front wheel drive amazingly. I haven't a clue why though.

NA86RULZ

Mitsus****y was just a joke. I do like Mitsubishi's (Lancer anyone?), just not 3000 GT.

hawk 7

iTrader: (2)

Why don't you just race him and find out??

Thaniel

We are talking the 3000 GT right (rwd)? Not the eclipse (FWD). Aw...maybe they changed them. I haven't looked at them since the mid 90's. Was most interested in the VR4 (4wd)

Vroomaster

225hp @ 3600lbs. vs.
145hp @ 2600lbs

hard to say-it'll probably be close.

MazdaRx7Racer4Life

I have a cone intake, i have my sixports hooked up to the air pump, i have gutted cats, and straight back exhaust from there, i consider myself a helluva driver, also i have 245 50 16's in the back. I ran a friend of mine's 5speed 3kgt, and i got him by about a car length, maybe a little less, then we hit about 120, and for some reason i blew him nasty from there, so im guessing theyre top end is horrible or something because it was pretty close at first, but then. gone.

Rxmfn7

iTrader: (4)

The 3000GT Vr-4 and Steath R/T Turbo are both twin-turbo and AWD. (I think AWS too but not 100% sure if they all have it or it was an option), but the non-Twin turbo models were Front wheel drive. As for the eclipse it was available in turbo AWD (GSX) and turbo FWD (GST), as well as a few trim levels of non-turbo (GS, RS) I have heard of people doing TT engine swaps into the FWD 3000GT and Steath models, but none came stock that way, and there was never a RWD 3000GT or Stealth.

autocrash

This is true (FWD)

just look at the (transverse) engine layout!

tIIforever

i have a 3000gt and there first and second gear is fast on them. Once he gets outta first or second you got him easy. there geared alot higher than the rx-7. first and second it about the same but 3-5 is made for highway cruisin.

Ni5mo180SX

Based on these numbers the 3000GT's pulling about 16lbs/hp and the FC's doing approx. 17.8lbs/hp. I know these numbers arent the only factors involved in determining the winner but the 3000GT has the advantage on that level and its modded so IMO the 3000GT would win.

Supermac 7

My bad, I completely forgot they were FWD. I guess I assumed they were REAL sports cars (Flames are a comin)

Glad I never bought one of those things...

jacobcartmill

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3000gt's are ******* front wheel drive. look under the hood, the engine is in there sideways.

SnowmanSteiner

First of all lets get one thing straight here. Every single 3000 GT, Stealth, that isn't a TT or VR-4 is front wheel drive. They have a transverse engine layout. If you want to argue against this you are wasting your time my best friend has a 3000 GT base. The base GTO is actually a little faster than the SL just because the SL has leather and all that other bull S**t to make it heavier. And yes a stock base will kill an 86 N/A. Trust me we've done it before. Slightly modded and it will just make it worse. My friend has a lightweight crank pully intake gutted cats and he will dust a GT Mustang and can hang with a Cobra or WS-6, now pay attention here to anyone call the bs flag that is hang he will not pull on them and he barely hangs with them they will still pull on him a little. And don't try to argue against that either cause two of my friends have an 01 Cobra and 02 WS-6 and 99 WS-6. One determining factor in all this is also that my friends GTO is a factory freak. It is faster than it is supposed to be. He has beaten many other base and sl GTO's when he was stock and it wasn't all driver fault.
- Steiner
P.S. flame suit is on

Node

iTrader: (1)

they have a transversely mounted V6
which means theyre either FWD or AWD
mitsubishi must not like their engines mounted correctly, so they slop em in goofilly

Yes they're FWD or AWD. Pathetic, isn't it?
I like the VR4's a lot, but I don't hav emuch respect for the FWD models, they're not as tanky, but still weigh a lot.

Node

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uhhh, wouldn't that be 262hp?

Funklord

the non-turbo 3000gt is probbably closer to 3200 lbs.. theres 400lbs of turbos/pipes/rear driveshaft/differentians etc.. missing. 280rwhp is not very likely, but he might be close to that at the flywheel. you think an 86 na is faster than that? think again. sorry, but he will kill you. his stock 0-60 is around 1.5 seconds faster.

von

I have raced a red 94 LS with intake and exaust and beat him by 4 cars. I have a real healthy 89GXL N/A with basic mods(then) Streight pipe bonez exaust , custom filter , weight reduction and no 6th ports but wired VDI.
Beat his *** good. He kept seing low 15s on his G-Tec. wich means I was low 15s as well possibly high 14s. My engine is strong and it was cool outside. I also have good tires so this helped my launch. I reved to 8-8300 rpms. Raced twice and same result.

By the way I have this run on VIDEO VIA INTERNET. Its to large I think to post here. Yes all my friends were amazed. The video clip is from inside the 3kgt passenger view looking at his gauges and me spanking on him 0-105mph.

Ryde _Or_Die

I'm not gunna go with you on this one. So you say your friends car can run about 14 flat or so? Cause the Ws6 runs 13.6 stock. So with an intake, gutted cats and main pulley he drops almost 2.5 seconds? Sorry but I don't see close to that with those few mods on a huge NA car. Unless hang is like 15-20 cars back.

suave_drifts

hey von,
where can we see the vid of you spanking the 3kgt.

KiyoKix

I think the stock time was 15.6 (+/- .2) I almost bought one, until I realized that they're FWD (either way they're not really that fun to drive anyway, and yes I've driven the "beast" too), they're too heavy, the auto-adjust wing is damned annoying (you can hear it clunk down everytime you stop...AWD only). I just don't really like the car much, besides they looks and they're not that great either. Either way you're gonna get spanked so stay away (you're time is 16.1 +/- .2), at least until you eat your wheaties...hey he ate his!