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Where does your A/F ratio set at on idel?

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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 03:21 PM
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Smile Where does your A/F ratio set at on idel?

Hello, I have a quick question. I have a 87TII all stock but I have a boost gauge and A/F gauge.

My question is at idle is the A/F gauge supposed to be in the RICH area? mine reads 2bars in to the RICH at idel! I thought it was supposed to read LEAN at idel and RICH when you put the pedal down? it smells a little Rich but I have not been able adjust the A/F to have it read lean at idel. What does everyones elses read?
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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 03:39 PM
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rich well mine does at least but you will see it go lean when you let off the gas
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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 03:43 PM
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adjust your TPS using the OHM method. im going through it right now. it should be at 1K OHMS when the throttle is at idle position then 4-6K OHMS at full throttle


read the FSM. under the fuel and emissions section there are a few pages on how to adust the TPS
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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DAN CARWIN
Hello, I have a quick question. I have a 87TII all stock but I have a boost gauge and A/F gauge.

My question is at idle is the A/F gauge supposed to be in the RICH area? mine reads 2bars in to the RICH at idel! I thought it was supposed to read LEAN at idel and RICH when you put the pedal down? it smells a little Rich but I have not been able adjust the A/F to have it read lean at idel. What does everyones elses read?
I am asuming you do not have a wide band EGO guage by your post. AF guage normal do not pull a reading untill you get up on the car. Other words they are just chillin in a non responsive mode. If I am correct and you use a narrow band then it is usefull for nothing then tuning your closed loop system. So throw it out.
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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 04:26 PM
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yea it doesnt sound like he has a wideband. if you are just using a single wire light show then dont bother trying to read it. those are worthless.
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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 05:17 PM
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Thanks all, ya it is just a Auto meter A/f gauge not the wide band. But I will check my TPS to see if it needs adjusting or not. Thanks
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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 05:21 PM
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mine reads 13.xx to 14xx but never over that. If I try to lean it out, the idle gets shitty.
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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 05:27 PM
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mine sits one into the green
if that makes sense to you at all
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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 06:08 PM
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on a wideband I was in the 11's. Yeah I'm running pig rich but I've got serious ecu problems.
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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 06:30 PM
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on a wideband I was in the 11's. Yeah I'm running pig rich but I've got serious ecu problems.

what ecu are you running.
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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 06:31 PM
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mine seems to like 13.1-13.2 with no load..
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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 06:47 PM
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13 AFR give or take a couple of points. 14's will give you a puff, puff missing at idle situation.

If a person has a car with the airpump installed and a working ACV, the afr will be in the mid 14's using a wideband and if using a digital meter on a stock 02 sensor he'll see a lot of zeros's IF the stock emission system is working right.

If you have a car with no emissions, no airpump, then a narrow band meter(read Auitometer), will read rich or if using a digital meter to read it (read Fluke meter), it will read something like 0.7 vdc at idle.
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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 07:50 PM
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what ecu are you running.
S4 Rtek 1.5 TII ECU BUT it could be injectors or harness as well.
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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 08:14 PM
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13's if I make it any leaner it will die and act crapy.
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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 08:37 PM
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as lean as i can and have it still idle
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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 10:56 PM
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EVERY street ported turbo car i've tuned has read 12.6-12.8 at idle when its warmed up and i've monekyed with the idle to get it smooth (haltechs)

MOST stock engines seem to like around 13.2 +/- 1

Now i've never stuck the wideband on a bridgeport or a peripheral port.. but i've smelled the exhaust.. they have to be richer!!!!

N/a'S seem to be able to get a bit leaner.. mid 13's, most likely because of the higher compression

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