When did they start the "push in clutch to start'?
11-03-07, 02:29 AM
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When did they start the "push in clutch to start'?
OK I have an 87 T2 (aug 86 mfg date) and I have never needed to push the clutch in to start it. Now my understanding is that the early 87s don't need to push it in but the latter 87s and after have it. So anybody know the VIN number rang that was the cutoff?
Don't the latter 87s have different impedence injectors? Maybe they did both at once?
stupid question I know but im curious sooooooooooooooo
Don't the latter 87s have different impedence injectors? Maybe they did both at once?
stupid question I know but im curious sooooooooooooooo
11-03-07, 03:04 AM
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Uhhhmmmm..... I think it's funny that people think that just because it's a rotary means that special rules apply! On ANY car that has a manual transmission you have to push the clutch in to start the car. ON ANY CAR WITH A MANUAL TRANSMISSION. Unless it is some exotic with a push button starter or F1 shifter paddles! Your conception that the early 87's don't have to push the clutch in to start is misled, unless I am the ignorant one! Your car has probably just had the clutch starter switch electrically circumnavigated to render it unecessary. Don't feel special. Mine is going out too.
11-03-07, 03:24 AM
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texfcturboii is right
i've driven many manual cars, from my rx, my friends eclipse, other friends civic si, other friends mazda6, they all need the clutch pressed down
its for safety obviously, you dont wanna be able to start the car in gear
i've driven many manual cars, from my rx, my friends eclipse, other friends civic si, other friends mazda6, they all need the clutch pressed down
its for safety obviously, you dont wanna be able to start the car in gear
11-03-07, 04:30 AM
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11-03-07, 05:14 AM
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Clutch INTERLOCK switch is the one that would keep a starter from working if the clutch isn't depressed.
There are two switches on the clutch for MOST USA cars. Not all. Some early 86/87 do not have this feature (creature in my opinion). It was made for clueless people who didn't have enough sense to know if the car was in gear or not in gear to the detrement of NORMAL people who have situational awareness.
DRL.......INTERLOCK switch. Made for the brain dead.
There are two switches on the clutch for MOST USA cars. Not all. Some early 86/87 do not have this feature (creature in my opinion). It was made for clueless people who didn't have enough sense to know if the car was in gear or not in gear to the detrement of NORMAL people who have situational awareness.
DRL.......INTERLOCK switch. Made for the brain dead.
11-03-07, 05:57 AM
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Looking at the parts fische I'd say chassis number -525576 and on. Fuel injector change was chassis -550168 according to the parts fische.
That's MY reading of the parts fische. Opinions may vary on this.
The repair manual calls it a INTERLOCK switch but the parts fische calls it a *Switch, clutch cut*.
That's MY reading of the parts fische. Opinions may vary on this.
The repair manual calls it a INTERLOCK switch but the parts fische calls it a *Switch, clutch cut*.
11-03-07, 11:26 AM
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HA HA my 2002 Saturn SL starts in Neutral without pushing the clutch. If its in gear it has to have the clutch in to start; and My 87 RX you have to press the clutch to start it... It says built 09/86... So its an early 87
11-03-07, 01:16 PM
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The other clutch switch is the clutch INTERLOCK switch and has one function and that is to interrupt the power to the starter solenoid from the ignition key if the key is HELD to start.
11-03-07, 01:20 PM
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Looking at the parts fische I'd say chassis number -525576 and on. Fuel injector change was chassis -550168 according to the parts fische.
That's MY reading of the parts fische. Opinions may vary on this.
The repair manual calls it a INTERLOCK switch but the parts fische calls it a *Switch, clutch cut*.
That's MY reading of the parts fische. Opinions may vary on this.
The repair manual calls it a INTERLOCK switch but the parts fische calls it a *Switch, clutch cut*.
The rest is all the usual BS you get when people don't understand the OPs post.
11-03-07, 01:49 PM
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Damnit hailers you allways seem to have the answers, or at least know where to look.
What it really is amazing how many people jumped on the "all clutch cars have a switch" thing. First because it is wrong, second because it kind of implied that I was an idiot. I know I have one, I know it is working, I was fairly sure that some RXs didn't have it lock out the starter. That was all i was asking was what and why.
What it really is amazing how many people jumped on the "all clutch cars have a switch" thing. First because it is wrong, second because it kind of implied that I was an idiot. I know I have one, I know it is working, I was fairly sure that some RXs didn't have it lock out the starter. That was all i was asking was what and why.
11-03-07, 03:07 PM
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I looked in the Parts Fische for series four. Plus there have been several threads on this over the last few years.
Note, I'm talking only about USA versions FC33''s.
Note, I'm talking only about USA versions FC33''s.
11-03-07, 05:52 PM
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Seems we've established that not ALL RX-7 have the switch. It's been determined in several threads over the years. The one I posted by Keith/Irv is at least three/four yeaars old. I promise to never answer this interlock switch type thread again. Been there, done that too many times.
11-03-07, 06:01 PM
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The clutch-starter interlock is a safety feature to protect stupid people from themselves and others. It may be common in US cars but it's not as common elsewhere. Japanese FC's don't have it, my wife's 94 626 doesn't have it, and numerous other 90's car I've driven didn't have it either.
11-03-07, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by NZConvertible;7479548a [I
safety[/I] feature to protect stupid people from themselves and others. It may be common in US cars but it's not as common elsewhere. Japanese FC's don't have it, my wife's 94 626 doesn't have it, and numerous other 90's car I've driven didn't have it either.
11-03-07, 06:59 PM
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Americans arent necessarily stupid. 
It is just easier to sue companies frivolously and win money that dosnt belong to you in the USA.
Thus companies have to put in all this extra crap into thier products to make them idiot prof to avoid lawsuits.
Most americans think two things are written in the united states constitution which are not.
1. A right to a life without risk and the need to ******* pay attention to what you are doing and what is going on around you.
2. A right to not be offended.
I am born and will always live in america but this is a simple fact about the majority of americans, and i ******* hate it.
When i was into rock crawling we always installed clutch start cancel switches to bypass this system. Many toyotas came with this from the factory.
Push in the switch and you can roll the vehicle via the starter. In the case of rock crawling it was VERY important to be able to do this...because you could actually start the engine while in gear. I could start my truck in 3rd gear low range while in gear with the clutch out.
It is just easier to sue companies frivolously and win money that dosnt belong to you in the USA.
Thus companies have to put in all this extra crap into thier products to make them idiot prof to avoid lawsuits.
Most americans think two things are written in the united states constitution which are not.
1. A right to a life without risk and the need to ******* pay attention to what you are doing and what is going on around you.
2. A right to not be offended.
I am born and will always live in america but this is a simple fact about the majority of americans, and i ******* hate it.
When i was into rock crawling we always installed clutch start cancel switches to bypass this system. Many toyotas came with this from the factory.
Push in the switch and you can roll the vehicle via the starter. In the case of rock crawling it was VERY important to be able to do this...because you could actually start the engine while in gear. I could start my truck in 3rd gear low range while in gear with the clutch out.