2nd Generation Specific (1986-1992) 1986-1992 Discussion including performance modifications and technical support sections.

Wheel hop is driving me nuts.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 23, 2014 | 03:01 PM
  #1  
beachFC's Avatar
Thread Starter
Bridge Burner.
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,294
Likes: 2
From: Long Beach
Wheel hop is driving me nuts.

So like the title says. I'm dying of wheel hop.

Replaced my forward diff mount with another better condition used diff mount, and welded a .25" reinforcement plate thing into it to support the rubber(which wasn't 100%)

Added PBM solid sub frame mounts, and rear diff mounts.

Also added a pinion snubber, and preloaded it against the diff to where it's always making contact, and quite tight as well.

Oh yeah, and I also threw in poly transmission mounts, and a solid center mount.

And the result... still getting this annoying f*cking wheel hop. Doesn't hop when sliding. It will only hop when dumping the clutch from a dig. Even in the wet.

What else should I be doing to cure this?! </3

Tires are 215/40-17's. Hopped at both 36 psi, and 48 psi.
Suspension: PBM coilovers 10kg front 8kg rear.
Tanabe rear sway bar.
Reply
Old Jun 23, 2014 | 04:41 PM
  #2  
MrGoodnight's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 620
Likes: 4
From: Tacoma Washington
I have experienced wheel hop in the wet as well. First gear hops, but say if I drop it in 2nd instead of first it will be smooth.
Confused as well.
Reply
Old Jun 28, 2014 | 04:32 PM
  #3  
Jager's Avatar
Tear you apart
Tenured Member: 20 Years
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 5,891
Likes: 38
From: Bemidji Minnesota
Use a softer tire.

When I had an LS1 I had success with Mickey Thompsons or to a lesser extent, Nitto 555R (note the R) or BFG DR's.

I also had to replace my struts with Kyb adjustables, which I see you're already covered on.

Try dropping it to 30 PSI, and play with it.

With Mickey's or BFG's, I was doing a 1.8 with 400ish HP. Good for 11.70's at 120.

I hope that helps, it's mostly in the tires my friend.
Reply
Old Jul 2, 2014 | 02:31 PM
  #4  
papiogxl's Avatar
What's the point??
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 995
Likes: 0
From: Omaha, NE
Still have DTSS?
Reply
Old Jul 2, 2014 | 02:36 PM
  #5  
MrGoodnight's Avatar
Senior Member
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 620
Likes: 4
From: Tacoma Washington
Not me
Reply
Old Jul 2, 2014 | 02:44 PM
  #6  
beachFC's Avatar
Thread Starter
Bridge Burner.
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,294
Likes: 2
From: Long Beach
Nope
Reply
Old Jul 2, 2014 | 08:59 PM
  #7  
Mr.JTurboII's Avatar
Full Member
 
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 246
Likes: 0
From: NJ
less air pressure would give you more traction, not more. and this is just a thought, theres a suspension rod that connects from the upper chassis to the rear subframe, i believe it has something to do with the diff and its angle, maybe yours is worn? i have an adjustable one so im not sure if the factory one had bushings or not
Reply
Old Jul 2, 2014 | 09:12 PM
  #8  
LargeOrangeFont's Avatar
Fistful of steel
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,202
Likes: 27
From: OC, So Cal
You need more traction. The crap tires and overly stuff coilovers are not helping.
Also your rear LCA bushings should be replaced. The old bushings could be worn out.
Reply
Old Dec 8, 2014 | 11:20 AM
  #9  
beachFC's Avatar
Thread Starter
Bridge Burner.
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,294
Likes: 2
From: Long Beach
Bump!

Still having horrible issues. Can't even do a burnout. Tried my dampers on hard, and soft, and in the middle.

Last night I dropped the car at 6k in first, hopped VIOLENTLY for about 5 seconds, and then sorta smoothed out, but still continued to jolt and bounce the car up and down.

This happens on one side of the car at a time. Meaning when one wheel hops, the other is fine. But it will happen on both sides of the car.


This is SO frustrating, and I just can NOT figure it out.
Reply
Old Dec 8, 2014 | 11:30 AM
  #10  
papiogxl's Avatar
What's the point??
Tenured Member: 20 Years
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 995
Likes: 0
From: Omaha, NE
Have you checked your toe links for slop, or really everything on the rear suspension?
Reply
Old Dec 8, 2014 | 11:39 AM
  #11  
beachFC's Avatar
Thread Starter
Bridge Burner.
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,294
Likes: 2
From: Long Beach
Originally Posted by papiogxl
Have you checked your toe links for slop, or really everything on the rear suspension?
Solid front and rear sub frame, modified front diff mount(solid)

No slop in links.
Reply
Old Dec 8, 2014 | 07:42 PM
  #12  
LargeOrangeFont's Avatar
Fistful of steel
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,202
Likes: 27
From: OC, So Cal
Get better tires yet?
Reply
Old Dec 8, 2014 | 11:31 PM
  #13  
beachFC's Avatar
Thread Starter
Bridge Burner.
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,294
Likes: 2
From: Long Beach
Originally Posted by LargeOrangeFont
Get better tires yet?
Does it on all tires man
Reply
Old Dec 10, 2014 | 11:23 AM
  #14  
DaBrkddy's Avatar
Smells like 2 stroke.
Tenured Member: 15 Years
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 527
Likes: 20
From: Misery
Originally Posted by beachFC
Does it on all tires man
It's the nature of the beast with the suspension design of these cars. How old are your dampers/shocks? Eliminate DTSS. Set dampers for the highest resistance. Add a little toe in. Get softer springs with better or stiffer shocks. If all else fails, preload the suspension with ratchet straps or chains. (an old trick my uncle taught me)
Reply
Old Dec 11, 2014 | 03:18 PM
  #15  
SpikeDerailed's Avatar
This sh*t burns oil!
Tenured Member: 15 Years
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,239
Likes: 5
From: Charlotte, NC - USA
I had bad wheel hop until I went to the AWR spherical trailing arm bearings(and battle version toe arms for adjustment). I guess the old rubber in the trailing arm was shot and just compressing and unloading.
Reply
Old Dec 11, 2014 | 03:33 PM
  #16  
LargeOrangeFont's Avatar
Fistful of steel
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,202
Likes: 27
From: OC, So Cal
Originally Posted by SpikeDerailed
I had bad wheel hop until I went to the AWR spherical trailing arm bearings(and battle version toe arms for adjustment). I guess the old rubber in the trailing arm was shot and just compressing and unloading.
I suggested that 6 months ago.
Reply
Old Dec 11, 2014 | 03:39 PM
  #17  
beachFC's Avatar
Thread Starter
Bridge Burner.
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,294
Likes: 2
From: Long Beach
Originally Posted by LargeOrangeFont

I suggested that 6 months ago.
I have the poly trailing arm bushings.
Reply
Old Dec 11, 2014 | 04:57 PM
  #18  
LargeOrangeFont's Avatar
Fistful of steel
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,202
Likes: 27
From: OC, So Cal
Originally Posted by beachFC
I have the poly trailing arm bushings.
Are you running PBM camber links, adjustable camber links or an adjustable subframe link?

If so you can't run poly control arm bushings when running non stock camber components, it will bind the suspension.

Guess what happens when the suspension binds... Wheelhop!

Get spherical real control arm bearings.
Reply
Old Dec 11, 2014 | 10:26 PM
  #19  
archaphil's Avatar
Rotary Enthusiast
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 1,102
Likes: 0
From: bloomington, mn
Yeah, go stock bushings or spherical on the trailing arms at this point. try a set of stock width wheels/tires for giggles instead of flushing that pig for giggles as well to just do some science. but PBM everything out back and poly bushings is a nono.
Reply
Old Dec 14, 2014 | 05:02 PM
  #20  
beachFC's Avatar
Thread Starter
Bridge Burner.
Tenured Member 10 Years
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,294
Likes: 2
From: Long Beach
Originally Posted by LargeOrangeFont

Are you running PBM camber links, adjustable camber links or an adjustable subframe link?

If so you can't run poly control arm bushings when running non stock camber components, it will bind the suspension.

Guess what happens when the suspension binds... Wheelhop!

Get spherical real control arm bearings.
I have a Mazdatrix camber link, PBM diff risers, and PBM sub frame bushings

So no on the poly trailing arm bushings?
Reply
Old Dec 14, 2014 | 09:15 PM
  #21  
LargeOrangeFont's Avatar
Fistful of steel
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,202
Likes: 27
From: OC, So Cal
Yea get that crap out of there
Reply
Old Dec 24, 2014 | 12:22 AM
  #22  
mdq-fc3s's Avatar
Junior Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
From: barrigada ,guam
how does having poly bushing for the rear arm paired with camber links cause suspension to bind?
Reply
Old Dec 24, 2014 | 11:21 AM
  #23  
LargeOrangeFont's Avatar
Fistful of steel
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,202
Likes: 27
From: OC, So Cal
Originally Posted by mdq-fc3s
how does having poly bushing for the rear arm paired with camber links cause suspension to bind?
Poly bushings like to move on one axis. when you use camber links you are forcing the bushing to move in 2 directions at once. That is why you need to run OEM rubber that is soft enough not to bind or spherical bearings that move freely in any direction.
Reply
Old Dec 26, 2014 | 01:44 AM
  #24  
mdq-fc3s's Avatar
Junior Member
Tenured Member 15 Years
 
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
From: barrigada ,guam
if I were to install poly-bushing for the rear arms and still want camber adjustment, the links would have to be a hemi-joint to prevent suspension bind or there is no way around it?
Reply
Old Dec 26, 2014 | 03:52 PM
  #25  
LargeOrangeFont's Avatar
Fistful of steel
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,202
Likes: 27
From: OC, So Cal
No if you want camber adjustment install spherical bearings in the trailing arms, or leave them stock rubber. Do not use poly or Delrin.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:02 PM.