Bigretardhead

that I can get to front mount in my car?

one that will work for the stock turbo, but better than the stock IC.

anyone know?

Juan

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People use these intercoolers (in no particular order): Mitsu. Starion, the radiator sized Volvo intercoolers, and Isuzu NPR intercooler (I've never seen one in a junkyard before).
Those seem to be the most popular ones. Theres a billion posts about these intercoolers. Do a search for one of them and you'll find all the info you need.

Cheers!

99 to 2000 saab viggen that was rear ended.

http://www.lehigh.edu/~erp4/saab/Upg...tercooler.html

saab OEM part number: 4729521

measures:
core only : 22 inch long, 6.5 inches high, 2.25 inches thick (bar and plate) what is what hte pic looks like.

With end tanks.
it is 33 inches long.

but u will need custom end tanks welded on anyways.

The part is only 175 USD brand spanking new from teh dealership

Bigretardhead

yeah, I searched before I made this thread. I only got like 1 thread that had any info, and that only had 3 cars - starion, volvo, and NPR. I'm sure there's more than 3 intercoolers that would work, right?(4 including the saab, but I don't expect to see many of those.), oh, and I'= was hoping to spend a very small amount of money, like less than $100 for all the parts.

okay, so I've got:
- 99-2000 saab
- Starion
- big *** volvo IC ( are you sure that wouldn't be too big?)
- NPR.

can I use the stock end tanks on any of these?

any other's I can use?

thanks so far.

Trav

what the heck is a viggen?? anyone got a pic? I don't even know if I'd recognize one in a JY if I saw it! Sounds cool though -- esp. the bar and plate style IC.

Makenzie71

TT supras have a decent cooler, and they're fairly easy to find.

rotaryracer1

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Go with a starion or conquest intercooler. they are the best for the money and are all aluminum unlike that volvo intercooler that has plastic endtakes.

RotaryRevn

Viggen is the model of Saab 9-3 or 9-5, they have Viggen, Aero, and a few others. So did this intercooler come off of a 9-3 or 9-5?

Nick86

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Saab 9-3 Viggen. Great car - if you can put up with torque-steer.



If it is a Viggen, you'll see that emblem on the fender infront of the door.

Trav

Hmm, good luck finding one of those at a JY around here... Think I'll shoot for the dealer.

TonyTurboII

Bah, get a NPR!

Fox4Life

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My buddy just got a IC off of a older turbo thunderbird. I cant remember the dimesions but it fits very nicely up front. He payed like 50 bucks for it.

Trav

Okay, I want a little more info on this Saab one... anyone got any more performance related links? Like that might indicate pressure drop, flow rates, PSI limitations, etc. I just visited the local Saab shop and they quoted me just shy of $200 for a new one -- no shipping charges. Not a bad deal considering the size and the fact that it's a bar and plate style. Similar size from Spearco for the B&P would be at least another $100 for the core only.

My problem is, he doesn't have any in-stock or on any cars around. So I'd have to order it to see it, and once I order it, it's mine and paid for unless I want to pay shipping back and restock fees. I'm going to continue checking w/ him to see if he happens to get a car in that has one on it -- I want to at least see/touch/feel it...

anyway, if anyone has anymore informative links, pls let me know. All told, I'd probably pay that for an NPR shipped (or close to it) and that's used!

RotaryRevn

Yup, NPR's are expensive for a used truck cooler. I would like to see some numbers on the Saab, it might be interesting!

Cheers!

other good intercoolers are porche 944 turbos... they are like 20 inch wide 5 inch tall and 4.5 inch thick... i think it may be too thick.. i'm not sure.

what the turbo charge mustang guys have been doing is to find three saab 900 intercoolers... they normally go for 30 bucks USD each.

Take the end tanks off each of them (they are plastic and weld 3 of them in parrallel...

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they are somethign like 3 inch thick, 6 inch tall and 8 inch long.

so total length would be 24 inches + some end tanks and route the pipes through the brake ducts like the greddy kit and bingo!

Cheers!

btw double check on the bar and plate description i posted... ihave yet to see the actual intercooler in my hands... from teh pics it looks like bar and plate... i can't be certain.

but the size fits good... considering used NPR and starions go for around 100 each on Ebay and the condition can be questionable at times.

Bigretardhead

so the older saab intercoolers are too big for the stock turbo's, right? (the radiator sized ones)

and anyone know if the porsche intercooler is to big?
otherwise it sounds good

Trav

Ugh, just realized you said this, not the site. Yeah, I searched a freaking hundred saab sites and can't find squat on the design of the IC other than it's a "crossflow" which doesn't make a flip of difference to me. Nor do any of them have any specs on the IC or what levels it will support or anything else. No offense to any Saab guys of course, but it looks to me like there is one guy that has actually done anything to his car, and that's the website that Cheers posted. Everything I find points back to his site...

Not as excited as I once was now that I'm not certain it's a B&P style. Might just go down to the local JY and buy a $75 wannabe and upgrade to a cool IC later.

Cheers!

i still think the saab intercooler is a better option then a banged up starion

to answer bigretardhead's question... for you to use the radiator sized intercoolers u have to move your radiator back several inches.. at that point u will then need to get a new fan.

Also the radiator style intercooler is a worse design then say a npr or starion.
more then 1/2 of the intercooler's surface area is covered, so you are just merely wasting space

Trav

well just stopped by the Saab shop again and still no luck. No Viggen IC in sight -- he did show me some other Saab w/ older style IC and it was definitely tube and fin (not bar & plate). I dunno -- looks like a decent deal, but unless some breakthrough, I'm gonna pass on the Saab one. I know, I'm picky..

rotary>piston

are all of these you guys have mentioned better than front-mounting the stock one?
What about all of those old 900 turbo cars. There are like 1,000 of them in my area, so it should be easy to find one of those. Are those bigger than stock though?

SaabGuy

The saab intercoolers changed style once the 900's turned to the 93's. From 1998 (or so) through current 93 and viggins had the same intercoolers. These units are good for more than 25 psi. Dont forget the viggin has the ability in stock form to run 20 psi of boost at high altitudes, I believe 14psi at sea level.

www.saabnet.net has used parts and for some reason there is always a totaled viggin for parts like they fall off the shipping trucks all the time.

Trav

Any idea if those are Bar & Plate style ICs though? This is really my question about these now. I think the price is decent, but probably an abundance of other quality ICs too for nearly the same price -- unless it's a B & P.

flubyux2

back from the dead:

Just wanted to clarify, since no one really said the right thing.

The Viggin intercooler pictured is a Tube and fin, not bar and plate. the Bar and plate is like the older Saab 900 intercooler... its a dual pass intercooler, only works well if you weld new endtanks on it and use multiple cores.

the NPR comes in 3 sizes: small medium and large, and they are also tube and fin and ~2.5" thick i think. they are great intercooler and all aluminum construction.

Volvo intercoolers are great as well for applications UNDER 1.5 Bar. plastic endtanks like Supra TT intercoolers and that Viggin dealy and its the size of a radiator... not a problem if you mount it on an angle. its only ~ 2.25" thick but has massive 2.5" outlets (i have one taht i dont need... since im not building a 7 anymore)

Starion and Conquest intercoolers are tube and fin as well, the only limiting factor is the stock endtanks and outlets. weld on some properly oriented, 2.5" inlets, and itll work great for you.

MKIII Supra intercooler will work great as well... ~2.25" thick, all metal, no plastic, and has outlets on the same side of the intercooler.

silverrotor

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You are not kidding. The 944's Intercooler looks pretty tight In their!