What makes the FC so heavy?
09-27-07, 12:23 PM
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my FC base model weighted 1140 kg (2513.7 lbs) it was with the alum hood, no sunroof, and 2+2 seats.
now i dont know, T2 swap, all emissions removed, single exhaust,t2 alum hood, no ps, no ac. i think it might be a little lighter.
as my 240sx fastback (before the RB25DET swap) weighted 1240 kg (2734.2 lbs).
with the r33 skyline engine in it, its not THAT more heavier.
EDIT: we should compare the T2 FC with MK3 Supra Turbo and S13.
i know the FC went thru 2 phases S4 and S5, just like the S13 with the CA18DEt and then the Sr20det.
im sorry i dont know the history of the Supra, so we'll try to stay with teh S5 T2 ans Sr20 S13 fastback.
now i dont know, T2 swap, all emissions removed, single exhaust,t2 alum hood, no ps, no ac. i think it might be a little lighter.
as my 240sx fastback (before the RB25DET swap) weighted 1240 kg (2734.2 lbs).
with the r33 skyline engine in it, its not THAT more heavier.
EDIT: we should compare the T2 FC with MK3 Supra Turbo and S13.
i know the FC went thru 2 phases S4 and S5, just like the S13 with the CA18DEt and then the Sr20det.
im sorry i dont know the history of the Supra, so we'll try to stay with teh S5 T2 ans Sr20 S13 fastback.
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09-27-07, 02:08 PM
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Ive owned 6 DSM's, 4 Honda's and an S13. Personally, i love the feel of the FC over any of those cars. My car is 20 years old and doesnt rattle, creak, squeak or make any other annoying noises, and feels much better than any of the other cars ive ever had. If a little extra wieght is what it takes to get that feeling, then thats fine by me
09-27-07, 02:22 PM
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I guess you guys can't really read. The car is not heavy, it's heavier than SOME cars but that doesn't mean it's heavy. That's like saying your 3" ***** is HUGE! when you compare it to a newborn's then hell yeah it's huge but that doesn't mean it BIG! when are you going to let this thread die?
09-27-07, 03:06 PM
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Basically, everyone thinks the FC is so much bigger than the FB, also a lot heavier, it is only true by the smallest margins. It's the appearance difference that throw most people off, side by side there very close in size.
1st Gen 1981 + up Dimensions/ length=170.1 compared to S4 168.9, S5 169.9
FB=.02 longer over an inch longer than S4 (probably due to the bumpers)
FB width= 65.7/ FC= 66.5
FB height= 49.6/ FC= 49.8
FB wheel base= 95.3/ FC= 95.7
"average weight''= 2450 84 to 85 GSL-SE = 2512/ FC averages 2600 for n/a
So basically there's little difference, and the FC was designed to compete with the more "tech" GT style, more luxurious mid-80's trend's of the era.
1st Gen 1981 + up Dimensions/ length=170.1 compared to S4 168.9, S5 169.9
FB=.02 longer over an inch longer than S4 (probably due to the bumpers)
FB width= 65.7/ FC= 66.5
FB height= 49.6/ FC= 49.8
FB wheel base= 95.3/ FC= 95.7
"average weight''= 2450 84 to 85 GSL-SE = 2512/ FC averages 2600 for n/a
So basically there's little difference, and the FC was designed to compete with the more "tech" GT style, more luxurious mid-80's trend's of the era.
10-08-07, 10:10 AM
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I dont think people should try to compare the fb and fc they are different in every way. The dimensions look similar on paper but to the naked eye (side by side) FB's look smaller and FEEL much lighter. IMO
The real question should be why does an 89-91 weight so much more than an 86-88. I love the styling changes on the 89-91, but if I were pure racer I would look for an 86 with no power featurs those where the lightest of the second gens including the gtu(s)'s
The real question should be why does an 89-91 weight so much more than an 86-88. I love the styling changes on the 89-91, but if I were pure racer I would look for an 86 with no power featurs those where the lightest of the second gens including the gtu(s)'s
10-08-07, 02:52 PM
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I believe the s5 also has less aluminum pieces. The s4 went crazy with aluminum to get it into a lower weight category for the EPA gas mileage rating. It was to avoid a gas guzzler tax or some such I believe (and a bad reputation). The s4 needed to save ~100lbs. and in the end it saved ~200. I'll bet the s5 still kept some of the aluminum, but not all of it.
Let me put it this way. This why the jack is aluminum, to save a pound. This is why the electrical wires are coated with lightweight insulation, to save some ounces. This is why tons of random bits are aluminum. Yeah, they went nuts.
Personally I'm glad I have an s4 for this and other reasons, but it'd be nice to have the s5 engine and intake in my s4. I know the s5 is faster.
Let me put it this way. This why the jack is aluminum, to save a pound. This is why the electrical wires are coated with lightweight insulation, to save some ounces. This is why tons of random bits are aluminum. Yeah, they went nuts.
Personally I'm glad I have an s4 for this and other reasons, but it'd be nice to have the s5 engine and intake in my s4. I know the s5 is faster.
10-08-07, 05:31 PM
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I sort of thought my FC was sort of heavy. but now you guys mention that it is pretty buff underneath is a good logical reason why it is sort of heavy compared to a s13 coupe. but i weigh about 3000lbs with me in it with a full tank of gas. and i have the gxl with all the extra goodie goodies in it so whatever i love my car. plus my electronics work! god i even have ABS on mine. but. i luv it
10-09-07, 09:24 PM
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Stupid Ebay parts that have no benifit(CAI), drivers who putz around but still think TEH SE7EN CANT' LOSE(learn how to drive properly and master techniques that real drivers use and you'll swear the car is tons lighter and has a million more horsepower), and JDM parts that have no real value except for being "JDM".
If you think the FC is heavy, sell it and by a CRX.
If you think the FC is heavy, sell it and by a CRX.
10-09-07, 10:31 PM
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comparing the FC to FB several posters comment on the fact that the FC meets stricter crash standards, and yet it has 2MPH bumpers with cores made of plastic direct mounted to the frame vs the FB's 5MPH bumpers with thick aluminum bumper cores and shocks between the core and the frame
10-13-07, 11:36 AM
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RELATIVE 1. Having pertinence or relevance; connected or related. 2. Considered in comparison with something else. 3. Dependent on or interconnected with something else; not absolute.
This is a great word; it sums up this post very well... Heavy compared to what??? Light compared to what???
Relatively speaking the car is equal or lighter than most sports cars; Americans got fatter and so did our cars look back at lets say a Toyota corolla these cars have gotten bigger and heavier over every model year as have most cars
Rx7 were light (not supper light “old mini”) when they came out and they are still very light now (by today’s standards). The new 70k C6 vette has been praised for tipping the scales at just around 3000lbs. With plenty of exotic materials like carbon fiber & titanium to get there (not just plain old aluminum)
The fact is the newest 2nd gen 7 is nearly 20 yeas old and the designs for the car are way older than that, but some how the Rx7 remains very competitive. Add today’s technology (new turbos and stand alone ecu’s) and Rx7 can and do run with some of the big boy$ (Ferrari, Porsche, Vipers…) at a small fraction of the cost.
So RELATIVLEY speaking the car is about average (as far a sports car weight is concerned).
This is a great word; it sums up this post very well... Heavy compared to what??? Light compared to what???
Relatively speaking the car is equal or lighter than most sports cars; Americans got fatter and so did our cars look back at lets say a Toyota corolla these cars have gotten bigger and heavier over every model year as have most cars
Rx7 were light (not supper light “old mini”) when they came out and they are still very light now (by today’s standards). The new 70k C6 vette has been praised for tipping the scales at just around 3000lbs. With plenty of exotic materials like carbon fiber & titanium to get there (not just plain old aluminum)
The fact is the newest 2nd gen 7 is nearly 20 yeas old and the designs for the car are way older than that, but some how the Rx7 remains very competitive. Add today’s technology (new turbos and stand alone ecu’s) and Rx7 can and do run with some of the big boy$ (Ferrari, Porsche, Vipers…) at a small fraction of the cost.
So RELATIVLEY speaking the car is about average (as far a sports car weight is concerned).
09-13-11, 11:23 PM
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If you want heavy, look at godzilla...the R35 GT-R.
It's a downright CHUNKY car, weighing in at 3800lbs AND that's with a strong, stiff chassis (like the FC has), and far more aluminum in any possible location to shed as much weight as possibly. The whole engine is pretty much aluminum aside from the obvious internal parts and stills weighs 608lbs as a complete longblock. Now compare that to a FC with a 20B-REW putting down the same 500hp under the hood. Need I remind you how the turbine housings and exhaust manifold are CAST IRON on it too? Or how the sideplates are also CAST IRON? and us 20B guys have a big thick CAST IRON center plate...
Checkmate
It's a downright CHUNKY car, weighing in at 3800lbs AND that's with a strong, stiff chassis (like the FC has), and far more aluminum in any possible location to shed as much weight as possibly. The whole engine is pretty much aluminum aside from the obvious internal parts and stills weighs 608lbs as a complete longblock. Now compare that to a FC with a 20B-REW putting down the same 500hp under the hood. Need I remind you how the turbine housings and exhaust manifold are CAST IRON on it too? Or how the sideplates are also CAST IRON? and us 20B guys have a big thick CAST IRON center plate...
Checkmate
09-14-11, 02:46 AM
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You guys do realise we are talking about a 20+ year old car, right?
How may other 20 year old cars feel as tight and solid as the FC?
Compare the FC to today's sports cars and they are featherweight!
Hell, even compared to today's featherweight, they still arn't that heavy
Taken from the lotus wiki Weight - claimed 1,987 lb (901 kg)
Hmm, i know i would rather be driving the RX7 over the lotus (ignoring the rotary V piston debate here)
Does anyone know what the standard inclusions are for the lotus? I know they have a radio these days, but still dont get ABS, or a roof
and in the wet they try and kill the driver by randomly reversing off corners 
:P
How may other 20 year old cars feel as tight and solid as the FC?
Compare the FC to today's sports cars and they are featherweight!
Hell, even compared to today's featherweight, they still arn't that heavy
Taken from the lotus wiki Weight - claimed 1,987 lb (901 kg)
Hmm, i know i would rather be driving the RX7 over the lotus (ignoring the rotary V piston debate here)
Does anyone know what the standard inclusions are for the lotus? I know they have a radio these days, but still dont get ABS, or a roof
and in the wet they try and kill the driver by randomly reversing off corners :P
09-14-11, 09:54 AM
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Just because it is old doesn't mean it isn't a good thread or worth continuing 
The weight on the 7 is also very low, and between the wheels, that is ideal (unless you want a "drift" car, but even then you can argue).
It is heavy compared to, say, my Geo Metro XFi, weighing in at under 1600lbs.
The weight on the 7 is also very low, and between the wheels, that is ideal (unless you want a "drift" car, but even then you can argue).
It is heavy compared to, say, my Geo Metro XFi, weighing in at under 1600lbs.
09-14-11, 02:25 PM
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